Who is the most powerful Anime character ever?

Originally posted by carver9
This is a anime thread but we can talk about the manga also if you want.

They were never super saiyan two and again if they tried to stop the blast they would have gotten killed by a rage buu. There best bet was to run. I do agree that he could go super sayain 3 in a instant but he would have to focus on stopping a blast, worry about kid buu attacking him and then try to save his family. Damn that seem impossible, even for goku. He made a sacrifice but he knew that in the long run he would kill buu. Earth wasnt nothing but a big ball anyway, buu killed every life on that planet. There was nothing to save.

They had to flee earth and they didnt decide to leave there kids, they didnt have a choice. Either get killed saving there kids which all of them would have died or teleport and fight buu before he destroys the universe. Which one sound better to you.

Cell never had a power level that he could read. Goku admitted this when he fought the dr that created them. He said that he dont sense anything from them. Androids dont have a powerlevel to sense.

I agree, it was pointless because he would have gotten killed trying to stop it, even if he went up to super saiyan 4. Its not good to make a mistake against powerful dbz enemies.

Nice feat for superman even though he was knocked out. Do you consider that greater then surviving a blown up planet. I never read that book but I think that its more behind that story then what has been said. I'll buy it tomorrow.

The same way goku knew that kid buu shot a planet destroying blast and him and vegita end up shooting the blast out of the way.

and cell>>>>>>>>>vegita that blew up the planet.

because again they can read power levels. How do you think that master roshi knew he gathered up enough energy to destroy a moon.

That still dont change the fact that cell>>>>>>vegita during that episode.

Superman dont know nothing more then cell does and Im not giving the reason again.

Superman blue was stated as being the most powerful being in his universe. He had power that was stated could rival spectre. The guy out wrestled asmodel, a angel of destruction. He was>>>superman, no matter how much superman sundip.

I dont think that he can do either since he struggled to move a moon and a pyramid.

Thanos feared fighting hulk

Drax has the powergem and hulk still matched him in strength. Surfer got koed by hulk before and gets manhandled ever time he tries to lock fist with him. Red hulk IS hulk so Im not arguing against that.

No he couldnt and there are many reasons why he couldnt.

No, you got that wrong, vegeta said GOKU was as strong as gohun was when he was a kid and you must forgot that vegeta was amped when he was under bobadi spell. He never turned super saiyan2 when he returned back to earth because he lost that amp.

Your caculations are wrong I can help you, cell blast>>>>>>>>buu blast and neither goku nor vegita was there to test it.

How do you know that super saiyan 2 goku>gohun super sayain 2.

Im leaving this alone, I already answered this.

Final flash is childs play and it wouldnt work on buu since he'll be up on them in nanoseconds.

I know, I just had to mess with you.

Vegeta was there to stall him. He does it later. And they had their sons to save which Gokou wasn't fast enough to do. Besides Gokou fights Buu later on. Using a blast to knock the blasts out into space to drift into another planet would have been easy and fast if it was so easy to block planet destorying blasts.

Or ya know since planet destroying blasts are so easy to stop by the likes of Krillen they could have just stopped the blast while the other fights Kid Buu. Vegeta lasted a few minutes against him..I doubt it would take that long to deflect the blast and save the kids then team up to fight Buu.

Cell is a completely different type of android. That's why he has to power up. He doesn't have the infinite energy 17, and 18 had or anything like that so they didn't have to power up. He was basically a living creature.

Vegeta was there..why would he have been killed stopping it? It's not like Vegeta wouldn't survive long enough for Gokou to stop it.

Gokou has seen planet destroying power....There is a difference. As just because Cell is more powerful than Vegeta who was going to destroy Earth means what? Doesn't mean he has the power to destroy the solar system. It's even worse when he's proven wrong in the Buu Saga.

Superman knows his own limits just as good as Cell would know his. The only difference is Cell is a bragger and Superman is actually pretty humble at times. Why does Superman need the feats proving something he says but Cell doesn't? Why does somebody who is a lot more truthful, and underrates himself have less say than somebody who overrates his power?

Superman Blue was also had energy manip. Something Superman doesn't. How does having that make him stronger?

Smashing something is a lot easier than moving something.

Thanos has beaten Hulk along with a whole team of heroes...Thanos has casually beaten Surfer who has in turn casually taken blows from Hulk without any effect. Thanos would beat Hulk easily. Hulk gave up in a fight against Drax..granted it was Prof. Hulk but still he was getting punked. When has Surfer been koed by Hulk? And don't say Planet Hulk because he didn't exactly hurt Surfer just caught him offguard and knocked him down. Red Hulk isn't Hulk..well only in name. Green Hulk was saying he was the strongest in that fight and Red caught his hand with ease. And when I refer to Hulk I mean Banner cause Banner is Hulk.

There is only one reason Gokou said he couldn't. It was to powerful. He said they couldn't stop it.

Vegeta talks about how he could have beaten Dabura faster than Gohan, and somewhere it was said Dabura is equal to Cell. Vegeta goes ssj2 during his fight with Kid Buu..he never lost the amp.

So now Cell is stronger than Kid Buu? And Vegeta was there at Cell's blast, and Gokou was too. They were both stronger than Cell also during the point Kid Buu appeared. Vegeta or Gokou could have stopped Buu's blast if Cell's was stronger while the other fought Kid Buu.

Because it was said that Gokou was stronger than Gohan was against Cell and that Gohan was weaker than when he fought Cell.

Final Flash is Vegeta's strongest attack...and Kid Buu can't move that far in nanosecond. If that was the case Gokou could have gotten everybody before Kaioshin came and rescued them. The blast didn't exactly speed towards Earth that fast.

They dont need the feats, reading powerlevels is enough. Goku thought that vegeta had enough power to destroy the planet.

Vegeta was there to stall him. He does it later. And they had their sons to save which Gokou wasn't fast enough to do. Besides Gokou fights Buu later on. Using a blast to knock the blasts out into space to drift into another planet would have been easy and fast if it was so easy to block planet destorying blasts.

Who said that kid buu was going to go after vegeta if he isnt the one that is stopping his blast. What if goku tried to stop the blast and kid buu shot the stopped blast, goku efforts would have been in vein.

Vegeta would get his a** stomped trying to fight kid buu. The only reason he pulled the little stunt that he did against kid buu on the ki planet is because kid buu was playing with him the entire time unless you forgot the part where kid buu let him shoot him and was dancing in the air.

Or ya know since planet destroying blasts are so easy to stop by the likes of Krillen they could have just stopped the blast while the other fights Kid Buu. Vegeta lasted a few minutes against him..I doubt it would take that long to deflect the blast and save the kids then team up to fight Buu.

Vegeta had already stopped a planet destroying blast when kid buu 1st arrived unless you forgot the part where kid buu was screaming, destroying the planet then decides to shoot a planet destroying blast which vegeta stopped.
That huge blast that kid buu shot that destroyed the planet was a lot more then what you think. During the beginning of the blast goku said that blast had enough power to destroy the earth 10 times but he kept powering it up. Theres no telling how powerful that blast was. It could have had enough power to destroy the earth 20 time by the time he threw it. And again why are we talking about a blast that would kill superman.
And how could vegeta last a few minutes against buu when he couldnt even last 1 minute. Oh, you forgot that fight that was between vegeta and buu was less then a min. Goku promised vegeta that it would take just one minute to gain enough strength to destroy buu and vegeta said in a battle like this 1 minute is centuries. Da** there speed is so much over superman that its ridiculous. Three episodes made out of a 1 minute.

..I doubt it would take that long to deflect the blast and save the kids then team up to fight Buu.

You have a lot of faith in goku abilities huh. To stop a blast like that instantly.

Cell is a completely different type of android.

How is he different when a android is a android. I didnt know there where different brands.

He doesn't have the infinite energy 17, and 18 had or anything like that so they didn't have to power up.

So with this statement youre basically saying that android 17 and 18>>cell and super saiyan 2.

He was basically a living creature.

He was a android, it was said by trunks and goku. Cell didnt need to eat, sleep, drink, breath, etc... There was nothing about him that made him to be a living creature.

Vegeta was there..why would he have been killed stopping it?

Because vegeta would have gotten crushed easily by a none holding back buu vegeta couldnt even last a minute against a holding back kid buu and goku wouldnt have had the time to do nothing because 1. as soon as goku would have attempted to stop it buu would have been at goku in nanoseconds, 2. then goku would have dropped the blast, fight buu off, vegeta then join to help him, then the blast will go off killing all of them.

Gokou has seen planet destroying power....There is a difference.

Many of times, hell krillin has seen moon destroying power from master roshi and krillin>>>>>>>>master roshi by the time the buu saga began.

As just because Cell is more powerful than Vegeta who was going to destroy Earth means what?

Common sense, that cell can generate more power (that was simple). Answer this, Surfer and Firelord are both heralds, Surfer is alot more powerful, who could generate more power to destroy a planet easier, surfer or firelord.

Doesn't mean he has the power to destroy the solar system.

Think about it, if vegeta can destroy a planet with two fingers without even trying and his powerlevel was only 18000, imagine someone who can generate even more power and is basically>>>>> vegeta, destroying a solar system shouldnt be hard.

Superman knows his own limits just as good as Cell would know his.

Oh, he knows his limit huh, then why did he struggle to lift a pyramid but states he can destroy a planet. Why did he say that he was invulnerable but got knocked out by getting his head rammed to a mountain, got holes pierce in him by doomsday, got cut across the face by despero and was bleeding all over the place when darksied punched him.

The only difference is Cell is a bragger and Superman is actually pretty humble at times.

What villian isnt a bragger, I would brag if I had the power to destroy a solar system. Superman isnt never humble because he failed at defeating doomsday permanently, he couldnt even control himself when max lord took control of him, to bad magic couldnt control vegeta, and he failed to stop kalibak and mantis and got knocked the hell out.

Why does Superman need the feats proving something he says but Cell doesn't?

OMG, Im so tired of answering this same post. Im going to say it like this, the same reason why goku thought that vegeta blast was going to destroy the planet earth. The same reason goku knew that krillin got more powerful when he arrived on namek.

Why does somebody who is a lot more truthful, and underrates himself have less say than somebody who overrates his power?

How is superman underrate, you do know that on this forum he the only hero that has his own page. I think that superman can beat a lot of powerful beings. I think that surfer is one of the most powerful beings in marvel but trust me I would give superman some wins on him. I think that thor is one of the most powerful beings in marvel and I would give superman some wins on him. I also think that thanos just cant be stopped but if he underestimate superman he would get his a** crushed. I think that darkseid is a powerful being also but superman in my opinion would crush him. Superman isnt underrated, if anything hes overrated since he dont do half the things that you all say that he can do but that still dont change the fact that black hair goku would crush him.

Superman Blue was also had energy manip. Something Superman doesn't. How does having that make him stronger?

Because he actually suceeded at moving the moon by himself and his feats are>>>>>>>>>superman. The guy wrestled a angel that is basically>>doomsday and he was compared to spectre. He was stated by writers as even being more powerful then precrisis superman. The guy grew 80 feet tall and his strength increased. He was so fast that he turned to light. Trust me, hes powerful then our superman, much, much powerful.

Smashing something is a lot easier than moving something.

I agree but almost every one of superman strength feats requires him flying, he really doesnt have any strength feats to even make him as strong as you all say that he is. Hell, I cant think of a strength feat that he has without him flying.

Thanos has beaten Hulk along with a whole team of heroes...

With tech, like I said before, thanos fears fighting hulk and this was said on panel.

Thanos has casually beaten Surfer who has in turn casually taken blows from Hulk without any effect.

I agree but what does that have to do with hulk being stronger. Even beyonder said that hulk has infinite strength.

Thanos would beat Hulk easily.

I do agree, thanos could beat hulk but not as easily as you think. He would need his shields up in this fight and why would thanos say that he fears fighting hulk if he can beat him easily.

Hulk gave up in a fight against Drax..granted it was Prof. Hulk but still he was getting punked.

He gave up due to the damage that was being caused during there fight. You do know that that hulk was a hero in that book but at the end he said that he wasnt holding back anymore until moondragon telepathically knocked him out. By the way, that drax should be able to crush superman since he have destroyed planet with his fist and have the powergem which grants its wearer unlimited strength and durability.

When has Surfer been koed by Hulk?

It only happened once but I'll find the scan for ya.

And don't say Planet Hulk because he didn't exactly hurt Surfer just caught him offguard and knocked him down.

Agree, even though both was restrained with a power dampner.

Red Hulk isn't Hulk..well only in name.

Red hulk is related to hulk. Red hulk was created from hulks own power. I dont know who the actual person is that turned to red hulk but they are related. By the way, red hulk was fighting savage hulk, one of the weakest forms of hulk. If he fought mindless, or wwh, he would have gotten crushed.

Green Hulk was saying he was the strongest in that fight and Red caught his hand with ease.

Red hulk has super speed, I think that he can catch hulks hand pretty easily, just like I think that superman could catch hulks hand also.

And when I refer to Hulk I mean Banner cause Banner is Hulk.

Gotcha, 🙂

There is only one reason Gokou said he couldn't. It was to powerful. He said they couldn't stop it.

Not in there super saiyan forms no because it would have took to much time and honestly I dont remember him saying that he cant stop the blast.

QUOTE]Vegeta talks about how he could have beaten Dabura faster than Gohan, and somewhere it was said Dabura is equal to Cell.[/QUOTE]

Vegeta never said that, vegeta was ranting to get babadi to acknowledge him so that he can transform and thats it. Vegeta didnt have more power then gohun until babadi took control of him and I agree with dabura being cells equal.

Vegeta goes ssj2 during his fight with Kid Buu..he never lost the amp.

He lost his amp because it was never showed of him going super saiyan two. He went super sayain one against super buu and kid buu. You have to transform twice to become super sayain two, you know, like goku did when him and kid buu was about to fight, vegeta never did that after his death.

So now Cell is stronger than Kid Buu?

When did I ever say that?

And Vegeta was there at Cell's blast, and Gokou was too.

agree

They were both stronger than Cell also during the point Kid Buu appeared.

Agreed, since black hair goku>>>the super saiyan goku that fought frieza. Training isnt just to amp them up to super saiyan 1,2,3, it also amp there regular modes also. That goes for anyone unless you think that the picollo by the end of the cell fight equals the one that fought cell 1st form (dont forget picollo got into the hyperbolic time chamber and trained.).

Vegeta or Gokou could have stopped Buu's blast if Cell's was stronger while the other fought Kid Buu.

I do think that they can stop it, I just dont think that they can stop it and handle blitzes from buu at the same time, thats all Im saying.

Because it was said that Gokou was stronger than Gohan was against Cell and that Gohan was weaker than when he fought Cell.

I guess youre comparing goku to a injured gohun, so yes he is stronger but lets not forget, the more rage that gohun gets the more powerful he becomes. Theres no limit to gohuns power and thats how he defeated cell, along with vegeta distracting cell by hitting him in the back with a blast.

Final Flash is Vegeta's strongest attack...

Agreed.

and Kid Buu can't move that far in nanosecond.

Frieza did it. He was cloud height and landed on the grounded instantly so that vegeta could blast gohun, picollo, and krillin, and if I post a fight scene I would love for you to look at it to prove just how fast frieza is. Nanoseconds aint nothing to frieza and lets not forget, kid buu>>>>frieza.

If that was the case Gokou could have gotten everybody before Kaioshin came and rescued them.

Well trunks did save buma that was in a explosion that dr jaru created. 1st you see trunks on the ground screaming because of the blast hitting the car and then you see buma and the baby in his hands and lets not forget that they were cloud height and trunks was on the ground. So he basically flew up there while the explosion was going off, grabbed the baby (which was him) and buma before the blast even touched them. Or how about goku being in a ball that frieza created, frieza hits the blast to the ground, the ball explodes into a nuclear blast (but lets not forget that goku was inside that ball) and goku basically beats the blast and is standing in front of frieza. So while the blast was going off, he out race it. Sounds like nano seconds to me.

My Wii hates me....Anyway since I don't feel like typing all that for a third time I'll try to make it short so I may not answer everything.

Vegeta being beat to death would be a distraction, and I never said Buu would attack Vegeta...more the other way around. Vegeta survived longer than a minute against Kid Buu.

Cell is organic and was grown in a tank by combining the cells of fighters he isn't like 16 who is a robot nor like 17 and 18 who are cyborgs.

18 and 17 have infinite power to draw from..as in they will never loose energy or tire but they have a cap on how strong they are. Anybody at Piccolo's level during the Cell Saga and down would loose to them because they would never run out of energy while whoever fights them would and they'd be stronger or as strong as the person they fought.

You agree that smashing something is easier than moving then why can't you believe Superman who constantly underrates his own power (which is what I said not that Superman was underrated) when he says he can shatter small planets with his punches cause he never said he can move planets. Cell overrates his power yet you believe him. It's just weird to me. Also what does him flying have to do with anything? He could fly all he wants but if he didn't have the power to lift something it wouldn't move at all. What does Superman being beaten have to do with him being humble about his power? It's not like he calls himself the most powerful cause he knows he isn't. Other people call him that but he doesn't call himself.

Do you know how Superman Blue moved the moon? It had nothing to do with strength. Superman Blue was more powerful..but power doesn't make him physically stronger. And what feats does Asmodel have that puts him on Spectres level at all?

Thanos at his weakest didn't want to fight Hulk..gets upgraded, and beats a stronger being than Hulk..he doesn't fear Hulk anymore..he just did at his weakest. And the whole Surfer/Thanos thing was because Hulk has been unable to hurt Surfer plenty of times yet Thanos can ko Surfer easily and take anything Surfer throws at him. Surfer is Hulk's superior so how can he beat Hulk?

Hulk couldn't win, and he saw the destruction so he gave up to let Drax win. If he could have won he wouldn't have been getting beaten, and could have ended the fight another way.

I don't know anything about the whole Surfer/Planet Hulk fight except that people try to use it to show Hulk's strength..but never show that Surfer was unhurt from a surprised attack.

Isn't Savage Hulk one of the strongest? I mean with the whole childlike mentality that lets him get angry so quick. Granted WWH would have done better against Red. And it's not about speed..It's about he stopped a angry Hulk's punch without any trouble. How many times has that happened? Besides Hulk has a degree of super speed himself.

Tomorrow I'll put up the fight of Vegeta vs Kid Buu. Vegeta goes ssj2 instantly. As does Gokou to ssj3. You don't have to go through each stage. And I'm not comparing anything to anything. Vegeta himself said that he and Gokou were stronger than Gohan was when he fought Cell. At least I remember. I'll look that up tomorrow also and post it.

All you need to know is ssj3 gotenks can rip holes through dimesnions.

Base veggeto is stronger than him.

SSJ1 vegegto is over 50x stronger than him

Imagine how much stronger SSJ4 gogeta is?

Now imagine what he can do to universes and dimensions.

Now, imagine what ssj4 veggeto can do.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
TTGL

Buu will just turn Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann into a cookie because its just a large moving target.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Tenchi Muyo

Yes, I agree.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Slayers

Based on endless mike's logic we have to use RAW FEATS, since when did they destroy the earth?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Gunbuster/Diebuster

Based on endless mike's logic we have to use RAW FEATS. Since when did destroy the universe?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Haruhi Suzumiya no Yuutsu

Based on endless mike's logic we have to use RAW FEATS. Since when did destroy the universe?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
All have shown powe on a universal level and above. I haven't seen the others so I can't comment. Also since when do you have to be a universe buster to beat a DBZ character?

You and Endless mike are underestimating the dragon ball z/gt because their strongest feat didn't use RAW FEATS. If you want to play this game by Endless Mike's logic, AT LEAST USE RAW FEATS AND NOT STATEMENTS FROM THE CHARACTERS.

USE RAW FEATS, SINCE WHEN DID THEY DESTROY THE UNIVERSE?

AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING IF THEY HAVE THE POWER TO DESTROY THE UNIVERSE AND ABOVE, WHAT I'M ASKING IS "SINCE WHEN DID DESTROY THE UNIVERSE? DID THEY REALLY DESTROY THE UNIVERSE?"

Originally posted by Vvendeta
DBZ characters in manga have not destroy the universe.

In movies, DBZ Brolly and Buu have destroy the galaxy, said it in Japanese, so no matter if many disagre or try to undertimated it, it happens.

In the anime DBZ, the close feat that the universe will be destroyed was Gohan Buu screaming and ripping dimensions, was said by Dende that would provoque the end of the universe. this part is not into the manga

In the TV special Bardock the father of Goku, Writed and co produce by akira Toriyama and Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru(toriyama right hand) create the bardock movie, Toriyama like it so much that incorpore the character and the scene when Freeza kill him into the manga historyline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3T3twA4D4

To confirm what Dodoria confess to Vegeta, that was Freeza who destroy the planet Vegeta.

Now i dont like exagerations, but i also dont like understimations.

The title of this thread is "who is the most powerful Anime character ever!"

Okay maybe I wasn't exactly right with Vegeta saying they were stronger than Gohan as a kid but here is two times where Vegeta say he and Gokou are stronger than Gohan.

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Here is the Vegeta/Kid Buu fight. Or most anyway. He's ssj2.

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YO....Why doesnt the anime manga section have a section for a respect threads.???

Who knows. It probably shoud cause people still do make respect threads.

Originally posted by theonetheonly
All you need to know is ssj3 gotenks can rip holes through dimesnions.

Base veggeto is stronger than him.

SSJ1 vegegto is over 50x stronger than him

Imagine how much stronger SSJ4 gogeta is?

Now imagine what he can do to universes and dimensions.

Now, imagine what ssj4 veggeto can do.

2. Granted.

3. Prove it. There is not one statement in the anime or manga which states SSJ incarnations are 50x stronger than the previous form.

4. DBGT is not based on Akira Toriyama's work like the DB and DBZ anime is, so really they cannot be compared. And SSJ4 Gogeta really did nothing impressive other than beat up Omega Shenron, whose strongest blast was a planet destroyer and whose most impressive feats are beating up SSJ4 Goku, who could barely lift a city block if I remember right.

5. Nothing.

6. Since he doesn't exist, nothing.

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Okay maybe I wasn't exactly right with Vegeta saying they were stronger than Gohan as a kid but here is two times where Vegeta say he and Gokou are stronger than Gohan.

I never said that goku and vegeta wasnt stronger then THAT gohun who didnt possess the power that he had as a child. Thats what I was trying to prove to you the entire time. Thanks for helping my argument. Vegeta himself even said that the life that gohun lived after the cell saga toned his power down.

Here is the Vegeta/Kid Buu fight. Or most anyway. He's ssj2.

In none of those scans did you prove that vegeta was super saiyan2. Again, that entire fight was nothing but a minute. Vegeta and buu fight lasted 2 episodes and again it wasnt nothing but a minute. Frieza and goku fight was nothing but 5 minutes during the time planet namek was going to explode and they made at least 7 more episodes from a 5 minute fight. That 5 minutes looked like they were fighting for days. That alone proves how much there combat speed is over superman. Goku would crush superman and its just that simple. Goku and superman fight would last just one episode. Maybe just half of a episode.

The anime version of God...

'Nuff said...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
The anime version of God...

My Wii hates me....Anyway since I don't feel like typing all that for a third time I'll try to make it short so I may not answer everything.

Sorry about your wii, I want one of them sooooo bad.

Okay maybe I wasn't exactly right with Vegeta saying they were stronger than Gohan as a kid but here is two times where Vegeta say he and Gokou are stronger than Gohan.

and when would they have the time to come up with this plan and again vegita would have gotten crushed by a none holding back buu that wants his blast to destroy the planet. The vegita and buu fight was one minute and he did terrible. He even said while grabbing his neck from being choke that he couldnt believe that he cant last a lowsie one minute against buu.

Cell is organic and was grown in a tank by combining the cells of fighters he isn't like 16 who is a robot nor like 17 and 18 who are cyborgs.

I guess you dont know what android mean. A android is part human, part robot. Majority of it is robot but it was said on panel that goku couldnt feel there power and when was it ever stated that they had unlimited energy. To my knowledge picollo that merged with kami was 17's equal and picollo that trained for the cell fight was > picollo that fought 17, Vegeta even said this himself but made fun of it because picollo wasnt as strong as him.

You agree that smashing something is easier than moving then why can't you believe Superman who constantly underrates his own power (which is what I said not that Superman was underrated) when he says he can shatter small planets with his punches cause he never said he can move planets.

Because he had to fly through a small moon to destroy it.

Cell overrates his power yet you believe him.

Never happened.

Also what does him flying have to do with anything?

Because it helps you push up on a object to help you move it. Flying has a lot to do with it when he lacks one strength feat that show him on the ground.

He could fly all he wants but if he didn't have the power to lift something it wouldn't move at all.

He has strength but he has flight aiding his strength so it takes away from the feat.

What does Superman being beaten have to do with him being humble about his power? It's not like he calls himself the most powerful cause he knows he isn't. Other people call him that but he doesn't call himself.

Agreed even though 90% of the things that he say is hyperbole.

Do you know how Superman Blue moved the moon?

With his strength and flight, something that superman couldnt do.

It had nothing to do with strength

What did it have to do with then?

Superman Blue was more powerful..but power doesn't make him physically stronger.

Why wouldnt he more stronger, it was stated on panel a thousand times. Superman even said this during his return back to his original self (basically his 1st appearance back to his normal self). He said that he would try to help but he isnt as near as strong as he use to be.

And what feats does Asmodel have that puts him on Spectres level at all?

I never said that asmodel was on spectre level I said that it was stated that superman blue was as powerful as spectre. By the way, asmodel is a angel, the supreme angel, that feat enough.

Thanos at his weakest didn't want to fight Hulk..gets upgraded

Can you tell me how much of a upgrade thanos got, tell me a on panel feat that makes you think that he is twice what thanos use to be.

and beats a stronger being than Hulk..

Stop using abc logic and thanos said fighting champion is like fighting hulk, he never said that champion was > hulk.

..he doesn't fear Hulk anymore..he just did at his weakest.

How do you know that he dont fear hulk. Is this something that thanos said.

And the whole Surfer/Thanos thing was because Hulk has been unable to hurt Surfer plenty of times

Thanos never damaged surfer in any of there fights but he has koed him.

Surfer is Hulk's superior so how can he beat Hulk?

I agree, surfer is hulks superior but that dont mean that hulk isnt stronger then surfer.

Hulk couldn't win, and he saw the destruction so he gave up to let Drax win.

I guess that you forgot when hulk said that he wasnt holding back anymore and by the way mindless, wwh, rage hulk, hell even savage hulk is >>>professor hulk.

If he could have won he wouldn't have been getting beaten, and could have ended the fight another way.

I never said that hulk could be drax and I never said that drax could beat hulk. I do know one thing, drax possess the power gem which gives him unlimites strength, durability, and speed so he should be able to whoop superman and hulk a** at the same time.

I don't know anything about the whole Surfer/Planet Hulk fight except that people try to use it to show Hulk's strength..but never show that Surfer was unhurt from a surprised attack.

Im going to say it like this, WWH held a planet together with nothing but brute strength, hulk mere foot step almost ripped the planet apart. Thats how strong wwh was. Trust me, hulk punches would hurt him.

Isn't Savage Hulk one of the strongest?

No, he's one of the weakest, hell I think that he is the weakest next to professor hulk and why are we talking about hulk anyway.

I mean with the whole childlike mentality that lets him get angry so quick.

Thats what make him the weakest. Hell Ironman punched him in the face before and made him cry.

And it's not about speed..It's about he stopped a angry Hulk's punch without any trouble.

Red hulk just dont have speed, he has super speed, its a difference and red hulk is just as strong as hulk, the madder he gets the stronger he gets, so he is everything that hulk is plus more. The guy was punching so hard that he was making a c level earthquake.

How many times has that happened?

How many times has superman been koed by super strength and how many times have goku been physically knocked out, I can only think of one instance.

Besides Hulk has a degree of super speed himself.

Not the same as red hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that goku and vegeta wasnt stronger then THAT gohun who didnt possess the power that he had as a child. Thats what I was trying to prove to you the entire time. Thanks for helping my argument. Vegeta himself even said that the life that gohun lived after the cell saga toned his power down.

In none of those scans did you prove that vegeta was super saiyan2. Again, that entire fight was nothing but a minute. Vegeta and buu fight lasted 2 episodes and again it wasnt nothing but a minute. Frieza and goku fight was nothing but 5 minutes during the time planet namek was going to explode and they made at least 7 more episodes from a 5 minute fight. That 5 minutes looked like they were fighting for days. That alone proves how much there combat speed is over superman. Goku would crush superman and its just that simple. Goku and superman fight would last just one episode. Maybe just half of a episode.

Just because they stretch out fight scenes and that episodes show different things mean nothing about the speed. And yea it does show he's ssj2...The whole lightning aura around him proves it. He never says I'm weaker now than when I fought Kakarot either. If he was you know Vegeta would mention it.

Originally posted by carver9
Sorry about your wii, I want one of them sooooo bad.

and when would they have the time to come up with this plan and again vegita would have gotten crushed by a none holding back buu that wants his blast to destroy the planet. The vegita and buu fight was one minute and he did terrible. He even said while grabbing his neck from being choke that he couldnt believe that he cant last a lowsie one minute against buu.

I guess you dont know what android mean. A android is part human, part robot. Majority of it is robot but it was said on panel that goku couldnt feel there power and when was it ever stated that they had unlimited energy. To my knowledge picollo that merged with kami was 17's equal and picollo that trained for the cell fight was > picollo that fought 17, Vegeta even said this himself but made fun of it because picollo wasnt as strong as him.

Because he had to fly through a small moon to destroy it.

Never happened.

Because it helps you push up on a object to help you move it. Flying has a lot to do with it when he lacks one strength feat that show him on the ground.

He has strength but he has flight aiding his strength so it takes away from the feat.

Agreed even though 90% of the things that he say is hyperbole.

With his strength and flight, something that superman couldnt do.

What did it have to do with then?

Why wouldnt he more stronger, it was stated on panel a thousand times. Superman even said this during his return back to his original self (basically his 1st appearance back to his normal self). He said that he would try to help but he isnt as near as strong as he use to be.

I never said that asmodel was on spectre level I said that it was stated that superman blue was as powerful as spectre. By the way, asmodel is a angel, the supreme angel, that feat enough.

Can you tell me how much of a upgrade thanos got, tell me a on panel feat that makes you think that he is twice what thanos use to be.

Stop using abc logic and thanos said fighting champion is like fighting hulk, he never said that champion was > hulk.

How do you know that he dont fear hulk. Is this something that thanos said.

Thanos never damaged surfer in any of there fights but he has koed him.

I agree, surfer is hulks superior but that dont mean that hulk isnt stronger then surfer.

I guess that you forgot when hulk said that he wasnt holding back anymore and by the way mindless, wwh, rage hulk, hell even savage hulk is >>>professor hulk.

I never said that hulk could be drax and I never said that drax could beat hulk. I do know one thing, drax possess the power gem which gives him unlimites strength, durability, and speed so he should be able to whoop superman and hulk a** at the same time.

Im going to say it like this, WWH held a planet together with nothing but brute strength, hulk mere foot step almost ripped the planet apart. Thats how strong wwh was. Trust me, hulk punches would hurt him.

No, he's one of the weakest, hell I think that he is the weakest next to professor hulk and why are we talking about hulk anyway.

Thats what make him the weakest. Hell Ironman punched him in the face before and made him cry.

Red hulk just dont have speed, he has super speed, its a difference and red hulk is just as strong as hulk, the madder he gets the stronger he gets, so he is everything that hulk is plus more. The guy was punching so hard that he was making a c level earthquake.

How many times has superman been koed by super strength and how many times have goku been physically knocked out, I can only think of one instance.

Not the same as red hulk.

How hard would it be to come up with the plan? They had time to get Dende, and Satan. That would have been plenty of time. Heck Gokou could have fought Buu and Vegeta blocked the blast. Vegeta could have to since it was only planet destroying. And the blast wasn't exactly speeding to Earth that fast.

And Cell isn't part robot. And 16 is fully robot and he's still considered the same as 17 and 18. And they were said to never run out of energy in the Piccolo/17 fight. Piccolo realizes he's getting tired but 17 isn't then Cell comes.

Superman didn't fly through a small moon. If your talking about the time he learned of Lex becoming president because that's the only time I know of.

Cell overrated his Perfect power. Calling himself invincible and nobody could stop him. He tells Gohan he'll never beat him because he's perfect...Not exactly but close enough. Yea he overrated his perfect power.

So your telling me anybody that can fly now has the ability to move anything Superman can?

When has Superman ever said anything that was pure hyperbole? About himself at that? Other people have said things about him sure but Superman never overrates his own ability. Least nothing I've ever seen him say.

If we are talking about the same Superman Blue moving moon feat..He moved it by reversing the magnetic pull and making the moon repel from the Earth as it was being pulled to it by some demon like creatures.

Not really because titles mean little. And just because Zauriel was scared of him means nothing.

I don't know much about Thanos except for what I read about on forums. And that panel everybody tries to use to say Thanos fears Hulk. I don't ever remember it actually saying he feared Hulk just that he didn't want to face him. And the fact he faces somebody that would be like Hulk would prove he doesn't fear Hulk if he did at any point.

Koing somebody usually means you hurt them. You aren't going to ko somebody that you can't hurt. And koing Surfer is plenty enough to prove he's stronger than Hulk.

I know Prof. Hulk is the weakest..well besides like Grey.

I know exactly what Hulk has done at the end of Planet Hulk and at the end of WWH. Doesn't change the fact that Hulk during planet Hulk when he fought Surfer did no damage to Surfer at all except destroy the thing controlling him, and knock him down.

Most of Hulk's strength feats are from Savage. And he's got the whole rage thing down easier than any of the others. When was Savage ever said to be one of the weakest? At base he's weak but the others would be also. Not really sure why we are talking about Hulk.....Or Thanos or Surfer.

Has Red Hulk ever shown any real super speed? And Red Hulk starts out stronger than Hulk. But it's still not speed that's impressive about catching the fist. It's about actually stopping an angry Hulk's fist. That's what's impressive.

Who has Gokou ever fought that has super strength or at least super strength on par with the likes of the top tiers of marvel and dc? Wait when has Gokou ever been koed except when he let his guard down against Majin Vegeta?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Tiny holes that close soon after opening them and are only big enough for humans to fit through.

2. Granted.

3. Prove it. There is not one statement in the anime or manga which states SSJ incarnations are 50x stronger than the previous form.

4. DBGT is not based on Akira Toriyama's work like the DB and DBZ anime is, so really they cannot be compared. And SSJ4 Gogeta really did nothing impressive other than beat up Omega Shenron, whose strongest blast was a planet destroyer and whose most impressive feats are beating up SSJ4 Goku, who could barely lift a city block if I remember right.

5. Nothing.

6. Since he doesn't exist, nothing.

1.) Kiai or Martial Arts Yell which equals the Trion or 8th day Juggernaut's punch.

Kiai is translated as martial arts yell.

2.) Stop acting like you know everything in dragon ball z/gt.

3.) It's from Daizenshuu 7. Daizenshuu 7's battle power chart gives Goku's battle power for right before becoming a Super Saiyan as 3 million, and 150 million as a Super Saiyan, noting that his power is 50 times his normal state. Backing this up, Daizenshuu 7's Special Attack Dictionary's entry for the Super Saiyan transformation says that battle power 50 times that of their normal state is proof of a Super Saiyan.

Anyway, the increase being around 50 is supported by the manga. Goku's Kaio-Ken x20 (which increased his battle power by 20, of course) wasn't effective against 50% of Freeza's power. Since Goku as a Super Saiyan fought more than evenly with 100% full power Freeza, his power as a Super Saiyan must be more than twice x20, so more than x40. x50 is a good estimate.

Daizenshuu was published by Shueisha, the same company who publishes Weekly Jump and the DragonBall manga, with lots of input from Toriyama.

4.) The title of this thread is "who is the most powerful Anime character ever!"

5.)Simple logic, like 1+1 or should I say like how the logic of the computer works.

Vegeta does talk about how he could easily defeat Dabura who you agree is equal to Cell. And that was even before he gets stronger from Babidi's amp.

I guess you didnt get why vegeta was acting like that. He was basically trying to get babidis attention, which he suceeded at. Thats why he was insulting gohun and saying the things that he was saying. If that vegeta fought cell during the cell tournament, he would get crushed.

Just because they stretch out fight scenes and that episodes show different things mean nothing about the speed.

They didnt stretch out nothing, it was said ON PANEL that the fight was a mere 5 minutes but again, everything that happened in that short 5 minutes made it look like they were fighting for days. You hate giving dbz there props, you try to take away everything that was said on the show and down it.

And yea it does show he's ssj2...The whole lightning aura around him proves it. He never says I'm weaker now than when I fought Kakarot either. If he was you know Vegeta would mention it.

He dont have to say it because he lost that super saiyan 2 ability when he died. Why would he get amped by babidi if he could already turn super saiyan 2. That was the main reason he had babidi to do it because of the magic making beings stronger then they really are, unless you forgot the story that vegeta told to goku about the two guys that was in the tournament, the one that almost killed videl. He say that babadi magic made them stronger.

Who has Gokou ever fought that has super strength or at least super strength on par with the likes of the top tiers of marvel and dc? Wait when has Gokou ever been koed except when he let his guard down against Majin Vegeta? [/B][/QUOTE]

How hard would it be to come up with the plan? They had time to get Dende, and Satan. That would have been plenty of time. Heck Gokou could have fought Buu and Vegeta blocked the blast. Vegeta could have to since it was only planet destroying. And the blast wasn't exactly speeding to Earth that fast.

Its very hard to come up with a plan instantly when you facing a guy like buu. They never got that chance to strategize and even if they did they still would have gotten killed since buu main focus was goku. There was no need to save earth anyway since super buu killed everything on it with one blast.

Answer this, do you think that superman could have stopped the blast or would earth have died also. Hell kid buu scream almost destroyed the planet.

And the blast wasn't exactly speeding to Earth that fast.

And how do you know how fast the blast was going since the writers basically have to slow everything down so that we can see whats going on.

And Cell isn't part robot. And 16 is fully robot and he's still considered the same as 17 and 18. And they were said to never run out of energy in the Piccolo/17 fight. Piccolo realizes he's getting tired but 17 isn't then Cell comes.

Cell is a being that has living cells in him from the greatest and strongest fighters. Look at his bio on the dbz site, it say that hes a android. He was built and created but guro put living tissue in him which made him a android. And if 17 or 18 had infinite energy they would basically be>>>>>anyone in dbz since dbz characters are based off of energy. The more energy you have the more powerful and faster you are. 17/18 was picollo equal and by the way picollo statement had to be false since he couldnt read there power levels.

Superman didn't fly through a small moon. If your talking about the time he learned of Lex becoming president because that's the only time I know of.

Thats the time that Im talking about.

Cell overrated his Perfect power. Calling himself invincible and nobody could stop him. He tells Gohan he'll never beat him because he's perfect...Not exactly but close enough. Yea he overrated his perfect power.

He never overrated his power. He was already nigh invulnerable but if you did manage to hurt him he had a healing factor that was next to none. He was basically unstoppable and invincible but gohun did the impossible and destroyed him all the way down to the last cell. Super sayain 2 power is on a entirely different level. Especially a super saiyan 2 that can become extremely powerful when angry. To bad superman dont have any kind of way of beating cell. Hell I wouldnt even go that far up the totum pole with superman fighting a dbz character, so Im going to leave that alone.

So your telling me anybody that can fly now has the ability to move anything Superman can?

Thats not what Im telling you, Im telling you that flight aid strength, anyone know this.

When has Superman ever said anything that was pure hyperbole?

When he said that he can destroy planets but failed to even put a scratch on despero.

Other people have said things about him sure but Superman never overrates his own ability. Least nothing I've ever seen him say.

When superman tries to solo a character that has basically just taken out the entire league and say lets see how you do against me and get one shotted, he just overrated his ability.

If we are talking about the same Superman Blue moving moon feat..He moved it by reversing the magnetic pull and making the moon repel from the Earth as it was being pulled to it by some demon like creatures.

I agree and good post.

Not really because titles mean little. And just because Zauriel was scared of him means nothing.

everyone know about that angel, I dont even know why Im debating about him when I know how powerful he was. When superman pulled that feat the entire league couldnt believe it, they knew that was something that wasnt within his power.

I don't know much about Thanos except for what I read about on forums. And that panel everybody tries to use to say Thanos fears Hulk. I don't ever remember it actually saying he feared Hulk just that he didn't want to face him. And the fact he faces somebody that would be like Hulk would prove he doesn't fear Hulk if he did at any point.

Im not comment on any of our hulk debate, its getting off the subject.

Who has Gokou ever fought that has super strength or at least super strength on par with the likes of the top tiers of marvel and dc? Wait when has Gokou ever been koed except when he let his guard down against Majin Vegeta?

Everyone that goku has fought had super strength. You do know who colossus is right, hes a 100 tonner. Wolverine asked colossus to throw him at a ship that was cloud height, colossus had to use all of his strength to pull that feat and wolverine barely made it up there. You remember the saiyan saga, vegeta easily almost threw nappa out of orbit. You do know who thor is right, thor hit someone with one of his hardest punch and knocked them out of orbit, captain ginyu flinched his arm and was throwing people out of orbit.

Back to the saiyan saga. Goku kicked vegeta so hard that he flew through two mountains, I would love for you to show me a 100 tonner pulling that feat. Goku kicked frieza so hard that the entire area for miles was shaking and the z fighters couldnt stand after it, show me superman hitting someone that hard. Frieza was punching goku so hard that the clouds dispersed and the lakes was trembling. Hell vegeta and that pretty boy guy that he fought on planet namek caused more destruction physically then almost any of superman fights alone. I hope you didnt also forget about the time trunk and cell was fighting in the clouds and trunks punch cell and made the clouds disappears and knocked cell at least a hundred feat into the ground.