Beast Vs Sabertooth

Originally posted by blue_beast
listen people i dont underatand why are you taking this personal and attacking me i am just having a nice debate, more then that i WANT you to prove me i am wrong because i am a fan of beast hell look at my nick name i am a fan of beast and i want you to prove me i am wrong but you cant because lets face the facts? all your strength feats that show nothing special in the first place are like 50-60 years old when beast was a new character and the writers didnt know how to establish his strength

and again can you show more recent feats of him doing anything that puts him in at least calss 5 category? hell not even recent feats even from his blue ape days anything?

funny, I was reading some old back issues today with Beast in them.

Xmen #27, Beast Grabs Sinister by the Jaw, then throws him straight through a brick wall, disorienting him.

Sinister had just taken a full shot to the face from rogue several pages earlier- didn't even stop him from talking. Sinister even seemed to enjoy it.

That's fairly good evidence that the two (ape-beast and classic rogue) were somewhere in the same league. In case you're not familiar with Sinister- his durability is insanely high. a class 2 or 5 wouldn't even be able to scratch him.

There's lots of other examples if you bothered to read some comics. Beast has super strength, but not enough to be considered a powerhouse on a team with the likes of Colossus on it: His primary value was that of a geneticist/scientist, and that's typically how he's written.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
50-60 years old, lmfao.

Retards need to read x-men consistently.

are you giving yourself advices? 🙄

Originally posted by Space M ummy
funny, I was reading some old back issues today with Beast in them.

Xmen #27, Beast Grabs Sinister by the Jaw, then throws him straight through a brick wall, disorienting him.

Sinister had just taken a full shot to the face from rogue several pages earlier- didn't even stop him from talking. Sinister even seemed to enjoy it.

That's fairly good evidence that the two (ape-beast and classic rogue) were somewhere in the same league. In case you're not familiar with Sinister- his durability is insanely high. a class 2 or 5 wouldn't even be able to scratch him.

There's lots of other examples if you bothered to [B]read some comics. Beast has super strength, but not enough to be considered a powerhouse on a team with the likes of Colossus on it: His primary value was that of a geneticist/scientist, and that's typically how he's written. [/B]

wow i can really see that some people here got some real issues with there head, relax you are acting like i raped your mom killed your dog and burned down your house what is it with all the anger on the web? is it too hard toanswer a post without insulting?you are saying there are a lot of examples to beast strength? provide them otherwise shut up , and beast grabing sinister by the jaw and throwing him isnt a strength feat at all... wolverine or anyone else could do it without any problewm so what does it prove? that beast is strong enough to toss someone in the weight of sinister? how much does mister sinister weights? hell even someone who is athletic class strong could toss him around wtf? i will say it again please provide me facts of beast being super strong , tossing around someone who weights like an ordenery man means nothing at all

I think the point was that blue beast managed to hurt Sinister when Rogue couldn't... Since Beast's fighting skills are not really that impressive it's most likely due to his strength.

I'll be honest, I always believed Beast was somewhere in the 3 ton class, but now that you've brought this debate up, I can't really even fathom how I came to that conclussion....

BTW: I know of at least one minimal strength feat where Beast ripped a lightpole out of the ground and was using it to bat badguys around. Don't know how much lightpoles weigh, but ripping it out of it's anchor to the ground's a decent feat I should think.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
50-60 years old, lmfao.

Retards need to read x-men consistently.

😬

...was this really needed for a number that was slightly off? See that it isn't repeated.

Same goes for blue beast. Don't retaliate.

Originally posted by Digi
😬

...was this really needed for a number that was slightly off? See that it isn't repeated.

Same goes for blue beast. Don't retaliate.

It was more aimed at the lack of x-men knowledge that runs rampant in this thread, but allright. It was uncalled for nonetheless, won't happen again.

beast has been around for about 46 years.

Originally posted by jinzin
I think the point was that blue beast managed to hurt Sinister when Rogue couldn't... Since Beast's fighting skills are not really that impressive it's most likely due to his strength.

I'll be honest, I always believed Beast was somewhere in the 3 ton class, but now that you've brought this debate up, I can't really even fathom how I came to that conclussion....

BTW: I know of at least one minimal strength feat where Beast ripped a lightpole out of the ground and was using it to bat badguys around. Don't know how much lightpoles weigh, but ripping it out of it's anchor to the ground's a decent feat I should think.

He was fighting a living train and was knocking the train around with the light pole. I forgot who brought the train to life.

the beast is going to win this one... dont ask me why... just the way i feel. he is fast, he is agile, he is strong, he is victors superior and will win... i think beast has a poor image

Originally posted by jinzin
I think the point was that blue beast managed to hurt Sinister when Rogue couldn't... Since Beast's fighting skills are not really that impressive it's most likely due to his strength.

I'll be honest, I always believed Beast was somewhere in the 3 ton class, but now that you've brought this debate up, I can't really even fathom how I came to that conclussion....

BTW: I know of at least one minimal strength feat where Beast ripped a lightpole out of the ground and was using it to bat badguys around. Don't know how much lightpoles weigh, but ripping it out of it's anchor to the ground's a decent feat I should think.

well riping a lightpole is inded a super human strength feat and a good one i must agree , do you know what issue was that from? i would like to check it out

Originally posted by rougeredmage
the beast is going to win this one... dont ask me why... just the way i feel. he is fast, he is agile, he is strong, he is victors superior and will win... i think beast has a poor image

sabretooth is a vicious killer that made a coat out of wendigo no way in hell beast is going to hurt sabretooth

Originally posted by Digi
😬

...was this really needed for a number that was slightly off? See that it isn't repeated.

Same goes for blue beast. Don't retaliate.

Originally posted by jinzin
I think the point was that blue beast managed to hurt Sinister when Rogue couldn't... Since Beast's fighting skills are not really that impressive it's most likely due to his strength.

That was what I was getting at. Two attacks on the same opponent using brute strength, and Beast ended up with the better result. Classic Rogue was about class 40 or so.

As someone else brought up, the issue where he fights the brood-infected ghost rider is an even better example. Beast pulls off a two handed attack to shatter the ground (to save jubilee from GR) then delivers a shot to the jaw to stun the brood/ghostrider hybrid. (It cries out in pain here.) The two continue to duke it out throughout the issue.

In either case, if beast were 8 times weaker than rogue and ghost rider- (class 5 or under) neither of these examples would have been possible or plausible. He would have been laughed at by sinister and flat out murdered by the brood/ghost rider. And this is early 90's era McCoy. He's been powered up since.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fanboy (especially not a Beast fanboy, should such things exist) and Think sabretooth would likely kill him in a hot minute. I just hate bad logic and arguments. Beast isn't top tier, and has no titles of his own- so you're not going to see too many amazing feats out of him: but even a casual Xmen reader should know his base strength exceeds the bottom of the barrel street levelers that make up the class 1-5 rank.

Originally posted by blue_beast
well riping a lightpole is inded a super human strength feat and a good one i must agree , do you know what issue was that from? i would like to check it out

The one i was talking about came out of a ghost rider issue. I don't remember which number. I'll check later when I get home.

I'm not sure WHAT Carver's reffering to.

Originally posted by rougeredmage
the beast is going to win this one... dont ask me why... just the way i feel. he is fast, he is agile, he is strong, he is victors superior and will win... i think beast has a poor image

lol.. No...
Beast has lost to Wolverine... twice. And the only time he's performed admirably against him ended with Wolverine's claws at his face... 😕

He won't do BETTER with Sabes sorry.

Originally posted by blue_beast
relax [B]you are acting like i raped your mom killed your dogand burned down your house what is it with all the anger on the web?[/B]

Originally posted by Darth Martin
From the Beast respect thread. Note that these aren't his modern feats. This is decades old and he's gone through like 2-4 mutations since. 😬

Originally posted by Darth Martin

[B]Human form
Breaks free from Mole Mans shackles without sign of struggle. http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9638/hy22pg04gx1.jpg
[/B]

Originally posted by Darth Martin

[B]Amphibian form (stated throughout that he recieved a significant upgrade in all abilities with this mutation).
Shackles really aren't the recommended way to hold Beast. ❌
1. http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3280/xfactor03306bx7.jpg
2. http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1181/xfactor03315vq2.jpg
[/B]

all the strength feats you have shown are things wolverine could due,so are you saying wolverine is easily a 10 tonner now? I mean why give beast the benefit of the doubt, and not others?

Sabertooth.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He has yet to show any real improvement to his strength however.

“Wolverine breaks out of the Chromalloy "unbreakable" shackles Dr. Lang put him in (*It's interesting to note that Wolverine's mutant readout is "NOTHING LIKE THE OTHERS" considering his new historical lineage from Jeph Loeb*):
1. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4535/shackleshu2.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2580/shackles2de6.jpg”

“Wolverine breaks free of Mesmero's mind control AND his "unbreakable" chains:
1. http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6969/chainbreakmesmeroff4.jpg”

all the strength feats you have shown are things wolverine could due,so are you saying wolverine is easily a 10 tonner now? I mean why give beast the benefit of the doubt, and not others?

beast never show anything beyond class 5 so i cant see how can a logical person put him above class 5 he never shows real lifting feats