Beast Vs Sabertooth

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Brutacus Senior Member
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was in the tv series, too. Rogue was under it IIRC.

the serie isn't even canon, so iff the tree was in it or not doesn't matter wasn't talking about the serie was talking about the golden tree in the comic
And in the COMIC wolverine and human form colossus are under the golden tree not rogue.
Heck beast come's in later because at that point he is a avenger.

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by Brutacus
the serie isn't even canon, so iff the tree was in it or not doesn't matter wasn't talking about the serie was talking about the golden tree in the comic
And in the COMIC wolverine and human form colossus are under the golden tree not rogue.
Heck beast come's in later because at that point he is a avenger.

I know.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Aren't you of the opinion that Wolverine and Cap have comparable strength though(pretty sure I remember you sahying something along those lines before)? Because regardless of Cap's wins over Beast, he's portrayed as being stronger than Cap by a decent amount. One instance that leaps to mind is Beast easily lifting Cap's weights with one hand after Cap was seen using them for a pretty intense workout.

I always thought wolverine was stronger even at bases levels, but according to feats he is not unless berserker. However maybe this is due to capt having rediculous feats he should not. However unlike capt wolverine has never been shown as weaker then beast, infact in dirrect comparisons he was able to break holdings beast was not. So take it as you will.

On pannel wolverine has never been suggested as anything but beyond human limits, above peak human.

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also lets not forget that beast was choked by the human form of colossus which is a shame

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I always thought wolverine was stronger even at bases levels, but according to feats he is not unless berserker. However maybe this is due to capt having rediculous feats he should not. However unlike capt wolverine has never been shown as weaker then beast, infact in dirrect comparisons he was able to break holdings beast was not. So take it as you will.

On pannel wolverine has never been suggested as anything but beyond human limits, above peak human.


Doesn't that mean that Beast actually has the strength edge over Wolverine according to feats though since Beast has the feat of being stronger than Cap while Wolverine is only equal according to feats?

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Doesn't that mean that Beast actually has the strength edge over Wolverine according to feats though since Beast has the feat of being stronger than Cap while Wolverine is only equal according to feats?

Nope not at all. You are saying beast has shown to be stronger then capt in direct comparisons, however the only reason wolverine am capt are based around the same class is due to capts ridiculousness high end strength feats, but perhaps thoses are in fact pis and should be treated as such an his actual strength level is much below beast, but his high end feats say other wises. However wolverine in direct comparisons was shown to be stronger then beast by breaking shackles through pure strength beast could not.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Nope not at all. You are saying beast has shown to be stronger then capt in direct comparisons, however the only reason wolverine am capt are based around the same class is due to capts ridiculousness high end strength feats, but perhaps thoses are in fact pis and should be treated as such an his actual strength level is much below beast, but his high end feats say other wises. However wolverine in direct comparisons was shown to be stronger then beast by breaking shackles through pure strength beast could not.

Cap's high end feats are just as consistent and frequent as Logan's though. If we decide to take Cap's feats as PIS, an equal case can be made against Wolverine's.

And in regards to the shackles, are they the chromalloy ones? Because like I said, Logan's claws being popped out in the same panel makes it a little ambiguous IMO. In regards to breaking out of shackles, didn't Beast break out of some that were holding Rogue?

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap's high end feats are just as consistent and frequent as Logan's though. If we decide to take Cap's feats as PIS, an equal case can be made against Wolverine's.

And in regards to the shackles, are they the chromalloy ones? Because like I said, Logan's claws being popped out in the same panel makes it a little ambiguous IMO. In regards to breaking out of shackles, didn't Beast break out of some that were holding Rogue?


Not really, wolverine has never been shown in comparison weaker to meta humans at beast level, and Logan has barly ever shown to be to weak to do anything. He has repeatedly show to over power other meta's. So trying to say beast showing to be stronger then capt in dirrect comparion does not equate to beats being stronger then wolverine. For one wolverine has never been shown weaker then beast in dirrect comparison. Logan always been discribed as beyond human, not peak human ever in any comic story line. 3 Logan has shown in a dirrect comparsion to be stronger then beast.

No it not the chromalloy ones, and there not ambiguous, it be litterally impossiable for him to cut the shackles around his wrist, there was no lack and he was strapped to the wall.

wolverine broken out of shackles rouge was in, but rogues powers fluctate so much it hard to tell what impressive and not in terms of her.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really, wolverine has never been shown in comparison weaker to meta humans at beast level, and Logan has barly ever shown to be to weak to do anything. He has repeatedly show to over power other meta's. So trying to say beast showing to be stronger then capt in dirrect comparion does not equate to beats being stronger then wolverine. For one wolverine has never been shown weaker then beast in dirrect comparison. Logan always been discribed as beyond human, not peak human ever in any comic story line. 3 Logan has shown in a dirrect comparsion to be stronger then beast.

No it not the chromalloy ones, and there not ambiguous, it be litterally impossiable for him to cut the shackles around his wrist, there was no lack and he was strapped to the wall.

wolverine broken out of shackles rouge was in, but rogues powers fluctate so much it hard to tell what impressive and not in terms of her.


Cap's not just "peak human" though, he's "the pinnacle of human perfection". And if you're going strictly by feats, Beast being superior to Cap DOES seem give him an edge IMO since Wolverine doesn't have any feats that exceeds Cap's. Wolverine= not stronger than Cap, Beast= stronger than Cap. Also, hasn't Beast had to live a tree made of solid gold off of Wolverine? Given from what I remember about the size of the that tree and the fact that it was made out of solid gold, it had to have been pretty heavy...

If he weakened the structure of the wall the shackles were attached to it would still make it easier to break free. Then which shackles are you talking about?

I'm pretty sure this(the Beast incident I mean) was during the early issues of X-Men vol. 2, and she was being portrayed as being pretty strong back then.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap's not just "peak human" though, he's "the pinnacle of human perfection". And if you're going strictly by feats, Beast being superior to Cap DOES seem give him an edge IMO since Wolverine doesn't have any feats that exceeds Cap's. Wolverine= not stronger than Cap, Beast= stronger than Cap. Also, hasn't Beast had to live a tree made of solid gold off of Wolverine? Given from what I remember about the size of the that tree and the fact that it was made out of solid gold, it had to have been pretty heavy...

If he weakened the structure of the wall the shackles were attached to it would still make it easier to break free. Then which shackles are you talking about?

I'm pretty sure this(the Beast incident I mean) was during the early issues of X-Men vol. 2, and she was being portrayed as being pretty strong back then.


Yes and wolverine been stated as superhuman, beyond human limitations ect.

No it does not, you are using abc logic that does not work, your saying because beast was shown stronger then capt = stornger then wolverine, however it could just as easily be said that capt higher feats that make him within wolverien strength class are pis, which is why beast is shown stronger then capt and not wolverine. Also cna you provide scans of this event, because I have never seen it. Wolverine on the other hand has neevr been shown to be weaker then beast and in dirrect comparisions

Your saying that beast is stronger then wolverine because he was shown stronger the capt.

However wolverine was shown stronger then beast.......so yoru logic does not work.

The golden tree? I never seen the event, but from what i heard colossus was also trapp under it, which would make it pis would it not, and I bet there was circumstances.

Ecpt Logan never weaken the wall or the shackles with his claws, I dont get why you keep trying to down play the event.

shackles I am refferring to are the ones wolverine and the x-men were putt in by omega red and company vol 2 uncanny x-men i believe.

so what if beast did break out when rouge could not? ?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes and wolverine been stated as superhuman, beyond human limitations ect.

No it does not, you are using abc logic that does not work, your saying because beast was shown stronger then capt = stornger then wolverine, however it could just as easily be said that capt higher feats that make him within wolverien strength class are pis, which is why beast is shown stronger then capt and not wolverine. Also cna you provide scans of this event, because I have never seen it. Wolverine on the other hand has neevr been shown to be weaker then beast and in dirrect comparisions

Your saying that beast is stronger then wolverine because he was shown stronger the capt.

However wolverine was shown stronger then beast.......so yoru logic does not work.

The golden tree? I never seen the event, but from what i heard colossus was also trapp under it, which would make it pis would it not, and I bet there was circumstances.

Ecpt Logan never weaken the wall or the shackles with his claws, I dont get why you keep trying to down play the event.

shackles I am refferring to are the ones wolverine and the x-men were putt in by omega red and company vol 2 uncanny x-men i believe.

so what if beast did break out when rouge could not? ?


I don't your point. I brought up Cap's classification to show why his consistent feats can't be written off just because he's "peak human".

I can't seem to find the instance of Wolverine breaking out of chains when Beast was unable to so I can't comment for sure, but if Red was involved, it seems that any deathspores or lifeforce absorption done by Red would weaken Beast a lot more than Logan. Baring that one feat(since I can't really comment on it), has Logan ever been portrayed as being Beast's superior in strength? And post scans of what?

Colossus was unable to turn into his armored form when he was trapped under the tree. My point about the feat isn't so much that Beast lifted it when Wolverine couldn't because Wolverine was pinned(which would be a more difficult position to lift from) but rather that he lifted a tree that had been transmuted into gold. It was stated to have weighed tons, which COULD mean 2 tons if you want to get technical, but given the size of the tree and the weight of gold I see it as most likely weighing more.

If he popped them out while his hands were pressed against the wall it would weaken the structure of the surface the bonds were attached to. And I'm not trying to downplay anything, that's how I interpreted the scans when I first saw them.

Well if Logan breaking out of bonds that Beast couldn't indicated that Logan was the stronger of the two, then Beast breaking out of bonds that Rogue couldn't would mean the same...

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't your point. I brought up Cap's classification to show why his consistent feats can't be written off just because he's "peak human".

I can't seem to find the instance of Wolverine breaking out of chains when Beast was unable to so I can't comment for sure, but if Red was involved, it seems that any deathspores or lifeforce absorption done by Red would weaken Beast a lot more than Logan. Baring that one feat(since I can't really comment on it), has Logan ever been portrayed as being Beast's superior in strength? And post scans of what?


Some of his higher feats of strength arnt consistent, which beast showing ot be stronger in a dirrect comparision would prove.

Capt is the perfect human it is true. but wolverine always been stated beyond that in comics, he always been superhuman.

No beast was fine he was in far better chap then wolverine, who was shown to be weaken drugged, and had fought for 16 hours. Logan was potrayed as in far worses shape then beast who was shown to be quite fine. Has beast ever been shwon as stronger then wolverine?

I want to see were beast has been shown stronger then capt.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Colossus was unable to turn into his armored form when he was trapped under the tree. My point about the feat isn't so much that Beast lifted it when Wolverine couldn't because Wolverine was pinned(which would be a more difficult position to lift from) but rather that he lifted a tree that had been transmuted into gold. It was stated to have weighed tons, which COULD mean 2 tons if you want to get technical, but given the size of the tree and the weight of gold I see it as most likely weighing more.

Wolverine had his body made to weight tons, to the point were a rediculously thick floor gave out before he did, Ive never seen the tree feat so I cant comment on it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If he popped them out while his hands were pressed against the wall it would weaken the structure of the surface the bonds were attached to. And I'm not trying to downplay anything, that's how I interpreted the scans when I first saw them.

Well if Logan breaking out of bonds that Beast couldn't indicated that Logan was the stronger of the two, then Beast breaking out of bonds that Rogue couldn't would mean the same...

You your self said you only saw the second scan not the first one which shows how he be unable to help him self out by pulling out his claws (which his captives new he had).

Yes it could, however rouge strength fluctates all the time. She goes from being normal human strength to class 10 to class 50 then back to normal human strength, issues apart from one another. She a hard idnividual to guage ones strength off of, and Logan ahs broken bonds that rouge could not as well.

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hank can out smart sabretooth for sure. sabretooth is a better fighter and has a healing factor. but beast is just more acrobatic. creed might have some trouble laying a finger on hank. would be a great fight though

Battlehammer Senior Member

This fight is kinda a spite, sabre-tooth would man handle beast badly.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
This fight is kinda a spite, sabre-tooth would man handle beast badly.
sabretooth better fighter for sure. strength wise not quiet sure who is stronger i thought they would be equal. but like i said above hank is more acrobatic and quicker in a way. creed would get worn out trying to lay a finger on hank as fast as he is.

if it was a boxing much which means of course no jumping around and stuff then yeah id give it to creed easy.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by chomperx9
sabretooth better fighter for sure. strength wise not quiet sure who is stronger i thought they would be equal. but like i said above hank is more acrobatic and quicker in a way. creed would get worn out trying to lay a finger on hank as fast as he is.

if it was a boxing much which means of course no jumping around and stuff then yeah id give it to creed easy.


Sabre-tooth a good deal stronger then beast, he easily over power beast. Hank slower then sabre-tooth. Sabre-tooth getting worn out by beast that priceless. You do realize sabre-ooth can fight for days on hand with out pauses, beast be lucky to fight a few hours at such levels, and sabre-tooth would have no problems tagging beast, sabre-tooth effortlessly grabbed spiderman by the throat before while spiderman had punsiher backing him.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Some of his higher feats of strength arnt consistent, which beast showing ot be stronger in a dirrect comparision would prove.

Capt is the perfect human it is true. but wolverine always been stated beyond that in comics, he always been superhuman.

No beast was fine he was in far better chap then wolverine, who was shown to be weaken drugged, and had fought for 16 hours. Logan was potrayed as in far worses shape then beast who was shown to be quite fine. Has beast ever been shwon as stronger then wolverine?

I want to see were beast has been shown stronger then capt.


What inconsistencies can you think of? Beast being shown stronger doesn't cut it because his strength's up in the air, and there's a difference between a lack of showings and LOW showings.

Cap weighs more than Wolverine. What would be normal for someone with Cap's build and weight would be superhuman for someone with Wolverine's build and weight. Just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about, an adult body builder who can lift 500 pounds is impressive but a 5 year old who can do the same would be super human.

It was in the Avenger's issue where Cap talked about having to train hard since he no longer had his super strength(can't remember the exact issue number). Cap was working out and when they were done talking Beast lifted Cap's weights over his head with one hand and walked away.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine had his body made to weight tons, to the point were a rediculously thick floor gave out before he did, Ive never seen the tree feat so I cant comment on it.

I'm not sure what you're talking about in that first part...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
You your self said you only saw the second scan not the first one which shows how he be unable to help him self out by pulling out his claws (which his captives new he had).

No I saw them both fine the first time around, it's when I went back to re-check after you said that his wrist were bound that I tried to go back that the scans wouldn't work.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes it could, however rouge strength fluctates all the time. She goes from being normal human strength to class 10 to class 50 then back to normal human strength, issues apart from one another. She a hard idnividual to guage ones strength off of, and Logan ahs broken bonds that rouge could not as well.

Well like I said, this happened in the earlier issue's of X-Men vol. 2 when Rogue was being portrayed as pretty strong. When was the Wolverine/Rogue thing?

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
sabre-tooth effortlessly grabbed spiderman by the throat before while spiderman had punsiher backing him.
when was this ?

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not sure what you're talking about in that first part...

Harry Leland.

Originally posted by chomperx9
when was this ?

Designer Genes. You'll find the scans in the updated Sabretooth respect thread.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
What inconsistencies can you think of? Beast being shown stronger doesn't cut it because his strength's up in the air, and there's a difference between a lack of showings and LOW showings.

Well the fact beast was shown stronger, for one when capt max lifting feat is over beasts. Wolverine never shown to have a max breaking point really, and has consistently shown high levels of strength and has never been shown to be waker then beast, so to equat beast showing to be stronger then capt means he stronger then wolverine is not accurate.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap weighs more than Wolverine. What would be normal for someone with Cap's build and weight would be superhuman for someone with Wolverine's build and weight. Just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about, an adult body builder who can lift 500 pounds is impressive but a 5 year old who can do the same would be super human.

Wolverine weights more then capt. He weight 300 pounds, capt weigts 240. He has 60 pounds on capt.

And Logan has over powered meta humans before.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It was in the Avenger's issue where Cap talked about having to train hard since he no longer had his super strength(can't remember the exact issue number). Cap was working out and when they were done talking Beast lifted Cap's weights over his head with one hand and walked away.

Whats the issue number, got any scans? If it the issue I am referring to there no reason wolverine could not have done the same, hell wolverine thrown 1,600 roughly pound dumbster with one arm around 5 feet easily.

Originally posted by darthgoober

I'm not sure what you're talking about in that first part...


You brought up the golden tree feat in which it was stated to weight ton’s.So I brought up a Wolverine feat in which he was made to weight tons and his weight kept increasing and wolverine never yielded, but the floor that was ridiculously thick did.

Originally posted by darthgoober

of X-Men vol. 2 when Rogue was being portrayed as pretty strong. When was the Wolverine/Rogue thing?

Can you describe the event of the beast feat, because I am pretty sure I know what event you are talking about.

All through out volume two rogue strength varied and she was stronger in volume one. Wolverine
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