Beast Vs Sabertooth

Originally posted by darthgoober
IDK capt, in the first example it looks like Wolverine breaks free by popping his claws, so I don't really think it's an actual strength feat(that's likely open to interpretation though). In the second example, the chains are guaranteed unbreakable by the manufacturer which does say something about them, but Ginsu Knives carry a similar guarantee and I doubt anyone would consider it impressive for even a "Low Street" level superhero to snap one in half.

Not many low end streets or streets in general can make the claim they have broken to chains garenteed unbreakable. However that was never my point, I was countering the fact people were vastly overratign beast strength and then given examples of beast breakign chains. So I decided to show Logna breaking chains more impressivly.

Edit.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Instead of trolling wht don't you back up your claim with a scan or issue number of his strength level.

He right people are overrating beast strength and not giving any real reason, your comment more of a troll then anything he done here.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No that be impossiable, it around his wrist poping the claws would do nothing, it was his anger which had jean being hit that gave him the strnegth to break free.

Yeah.

By the way, I've lost count of how many times Logan broke free of chains or restraints...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah.

By the way, I've lost count of how many times Logan broke free of chains or restraints...

Yea actaully he broke resraints that beast could not. Beast did end up getting out but it took a long time and he only accomplished in by pulling out the wires with the strongest part of his body, while wolverine who was drugged and beat up shatter the same or stronger shackles with hit arms.

Logan broken out of chains numerous times

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No that be impossiable, it around his wrist poping the claws would do nothing, it was his anger which had jean being hit that gave him the strnegth to break free.

Not many low end streets or streets in general can make the claim they have broken to chains garenteed unbreakable. However that was never my point, I was countering the fact people were vastly overratign beast strength and then given examples of beast breakign chains. So I decided to show Logna breaking chains more impressivly.

I wasn't talking about low end streets breaking chains, I was talking about them breaking a Ginsu Knife that's guaranteed unbreakable by the manufacturer. Over the counter stuff(and even special order stuff) doesn't normally take the stats of super heroes into consideration when they're making their guarantees.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Like I said, I see it as being open to interpretation, that's just how I interpreted the scans when I saw them. I've seen Wolverine's cut through chains attached to shackles on his wrist before so I don't know why something similar couldn't be done here. His popping his claws out in the panel that he breaks free throws far to ambiguity on the instance IMO.

I wasn't talking about low end streets breaking chains, I was talking about them breaking a Ginsu Knife that's guaranteed unbreakable by the manufacturer. Over the counter stuff(and even special order stuff) doesn't normally take the stats of super heroes into consideration when they're making their guarantees.

Now that jsut bad example. Trying to uses real worl items and saying a comic book character could easily break them is not the same thing as the scans I gave. A super villain bought items design to restrain his superhuman enemies, he dident by the crap off an info comercial, now your jsut down playing the event.

Also I really dont care. I dont want this to turn into wolevrine vs unbreakable chain crap. I only brought up the event to counter the whole beats breaking chain crap means he 10 tons.

also why are you arging with me on this? it has nothing to do with the thread nor my arguement.

Did the writers ever explain why he went from the 70 tonner to the 2, 5 or 10 tonner he is today?

Also the reason why he doesn't have that many feats is simply because he's the smart guy in the x-men.

In the classic x-men wenn there was no Colossus or Rogue he was the tank of the x-men
In the avengers he had Pym, Stark who where smarter than him, so he had a better field role.

Wenn Dark Beast was infiltrating the X-Men, he became annoyed at the amount of knowledge the X-Men expected him to possess. This is due to Dark Beast specialising in genetics, while 616 Beast maintained study in multiple fields.

He's simply not the strong guy anymore and writters doesn't seem to care a lot about his strenght level or so it seems

Originally posted by Brutacus
Did the writers ever explain why he went from the 70 tonner to the 2, 5 or 10 tonner he is today?

Originally posted by Brutacus
Also the reason why he doesn't have that many feats is simply because he's the smart guy in the x-men.

In the classic x-men wenn there was no Colossus or Rogue he was the tank of the x-men
In the avengers he had Pym, Stark who where smarter than him, so he had a better field role.

He's simply not the strong guy anymore and writters doesn't seem to care a lot about his strenght level or so it seems

Even when they do show his strength it was recently stated at like 1,500 pounds of pressure.

Even still the was before his strength was defined and he was only strong compared to his teamates normal strength levels.

He dident due to well on the avengers as I recall Captain America stomped him.

He jsut the smart guy now

Originally posted by Brutacus
Did the writers ever explain why he went from the 70 tonner to the 2, 5 or 10 tonner he is today?

Also the reason why he doesn't have that many feats is simply because he's the smart guy in the x-men.

In the classic x-men wenn there was no Colossus or Rogue he was the tank of the x-men
In the avengers he had Pym, Stark who where smarter than him, so he had a better field role.

Wenn Dark Beast was infiltrating the X-Men, he became annoyed at the amount of knowledge the X-Men expected him to possess. This is due to Dark Beast specialising in genetics, while 616 Beast maintained study in multiple fields.

He's simply not the strong guy anymore and writters doesn't seem to care a lot about his strenght level or so it seems

i can see your point but my point is that when he DOES fight why dont we see his strength? he always gets beat up to bloody pulp and sent to hospital he is always the first x-men to go down, why isnt he using his strength in fights like throwing cars? o mean if most people here cosider him to be stronger then class 5 then he is suppose to be able to throw cars and flip tracks and rip out trees and beat the living hell out of people with them ... where is it? spider-man is class 20 and you caneasily see that he has super human strength sowhats wrong with beast?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really, he never done it when he was chained up the way he was. He had his hands locked to the wall, it be impossiable to achieve what youa re suggesting. Not to mention the guy who chained him up new he had claws and was a mutant.

Now that jsut bad example. Trying to uses real worl items and saying a comic book character could easily break them is not the same thing as the scans I gave. A super villain bought items design to restrain his superhuman enemies, he dident by the crap off an info comercial, now your jsut down playing the event.

Also I really dont care. I dont want this to turn into wolevrine vs unbreakable chain crap. I only brought up the event to counter the whole beats breaking chain crap means he 10 tons.

also why are you arging with me on this? it has nothing to do with the thread nor my arguement.

I'm just pointing out that manufacturer's guarantee's can often be considered hyperbole. The scan specifically notes that the chains are made of steel, which means that there's no way they're obviously not "unbreakable" since there are plenty of folks in comics who can break steel. The manufacturer's guarantee tells us that the chains are high quality, but that's about it.

The scans have been posted before and I meant to address them but forgot. Since you posted them again and I was thinking about it I figured I'd address them now.

Anyway here's a question since I didn't see your opinions on it, do you share homeboy's opinion that Beast is likely in Wolverine's strength range?

Originally posted by darthgoober
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I'm just pointing out that manufacturer's guarantee's can often be considered hyperbole. The scan specifically notes that the chains are made of steel, which means that there's no way they're obviously not "unbreakable" since there are plenty of folks in comics who can break steel. The manufacturer's guarantee tells us that the chains are high quality, but that's about it.

The scans have been posted before and I meant to address them but forgot. Since you posted them again and I was thinking about it I figured I'd address them now.

Anyway here's a question since I didn't see your opinions on it, do you share homeboy's opinion that Beast is likely in Wolverine's strength range? [/B]

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Yes, beast is pretty hyped. True he had a short run when he had crazy like 70 ton strength, but that idea was quickly changed. Beast aint no spiderman in strength.

beast is equel to wolverine in strength and until you give me real reasons why he isnt and when i say reasons i mean constant feats not some 50 year old issue where the writers didnt know what to do with him , and not your typical "you are stupid" logic but real feats until then beast is at wolverines level of strength

Originally posted by darthgoober
Like I said, I see it as being open to interpretation, that's just how I interpreted the scans when I saw them. I've seen Wolverine's cut through chains attached to shackles on his wrist before so I don't know why something similar couldn't be done here. His popping his claws out in the panel that he breaks free throws far to ambiguity on the instance IMO.

Those were restraints anchored to the wall. Chains are different - Wolverine has enough freedom in his wrists and can cut them.

Originally posted by blue_beast
beast is equel to wolverine in strength and until you give me real reasons why he isnt and when i say reasons i mean constant feats not some 50 year old issue where the writers didnt know what to do with him , and not your typical "you are stupid" logic but real feats until then beast is at wolverines level of strength

He once lifted a golden tree in the phoenix saga while human form colossus and wolverine where under the tree he didn't lift it above his head or anything, but he did lift it of the ground so that colossus and wolverine could get away.

And why would beast throw cars around with the agility and speed he got???

Last time he threw something was a boulder at micromax in civil war x-men.
other than that I can't think of a example.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes, beast is pretty hyped. True he had a short run when he had crazy like 70 ton strength, but that idea was quickly changed. Beast aint no spiderman in strength.

Originally posted by Brutacus
He once lifted a golden tree in the phoenix saga while human form colossus and wolverine where under the tree he didn't lift it above his head or anything, but he did lift it of the ground so that colossus and wolverine could get away.

And why would beast throw cars around with the agility and speed he got???

Last time he threw something was a boulder at micromax in civil war x-men.
other than that I can't think of a example.

what??? that wasnt even in the comics it was in the tv series come on,why would he throw cars when he got speed and agility? i dont know maybe because he gets his butt handed to him in every single fight so it seem like his speed and agility is not helping him so if he is so smart as people say then.... he should realise by now that he need to change his tactics.... OR its just the fact that he cant throw cars? i will go with the second one

Originally posted by blue_beast
what??? that wasnt even in the comics it was in the tv series come on,why would he throw cars when he got speed and agility? i dont know maybe because he gets his butt handed to him in every single fight so it seem like his speed and agility is not helping him so if he is so smart as people say then.... he should realise by now that he need to change his tactics.... OR its just the fact that he cant throw cars? i will go with the second one

The golden tree was in the comics not in the tv serie.
Colossus wasn't even in the phoenix saga in the tv serie.

And he doesn't get his butt handed to him in each fight.
He was the first to do some damage to danger.
He's not the best fighter and will lose most fights against the mayor characters, but iff you read some comics with him you will see he get his wins also.
His speed and agility is still his greatest asset in a fight not his strenght.
He does how ever have super human strenght how much I don't know

Originally posted by Brutacus
The golden tree was in the comics not in the tv serie.

It was in the tv series, too. Rogue was under it IIRC.

When the Shi`ar superguardians attacked Xavier`s shool during the Cassandra Nova arc, Beast took out four of them. Monstra, Blimp (already wounded by Wolverine), Arc and Squorm. I`d sat that is pretty impressive. He does get his wins.