Thanos Vs. Darkseid

Originally posted by operator616
^ i recall "universal death" being stated in the same scan where Parademons where shown destroying shit. I don't remember any instances where Darkseid, personally, is destroying a universe. Statements saying Darkseid consumed a universe doesn't apply since it can also mean Darkseid and his forces did it, which is the most likely scenario since we see Parademons everywhere.

"He already destroyed one universe. "

Also when John conjured an illusion of a dead universe, Darkseid said that it was already destroyed by him. So pretty clear cut actually.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Multiversity Guidebook. Higfather and the new Gods state that each World hosts Multiple Emnanations of Darkseid and the other Gods, we see also there a differen't version of the New Gods, not the ones from DCnU. The only logical conclusion is, that those fragments, or Avatars if you will, are not the True Darkseid. This is further supported by Mr. Miracles statement about Darkseid "He's rebuilding his Godhead from shattered Fragments".

If the word 'avatar' was mentioned somewhere in those Constatine issues, you'd have a point. But as it stands, the intent of those issues is quite clear: that is the one and only Darkseid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Constantine%202013-%20022-019_zpsw5sd0944.jpg

"He already destroyed one universe. "

Also when John conjured an illusion of a dead universe, Darkseid said that it was already destroyed by him. So pretty clear cut actually.

"He" (Darkseid) is most likely a reference to Darkseid + his forces (Parademons).

And Constantine's comment about DS destroying a universe was in regards to the E2 universe, which DS personally did not destroy. But rather he and his forces did. And even then, he didn't wipe it out completely.

And that universe was rendered lifeless by parademons destroying the flame that births all souls. Not even remotely sure what this has to do with DS personally destroying a universe.

So again, i don't see Darkseid personally exerting his power and destroying a universe.

In the multiversity issue, Supertown was still intact while in the current chronology it was destroyed in the Godhead war iirc. So its place is definitely questionable in terms of continuity.

Originally posted by operator616
"He" (Darkseid) is most likely a reference to Darkseid + his forces (Parademons).

And Constantine's comment about DS destroying a universe was in regards to the E2 universe, which DS personally did not destroy. But rather he and his forces did. And even then, he didn't wipe it out completely.

And that universe was rendered lifeless by parademons destroying the flame that births all souls. Not even remotely sure what this has to do with DS personally destroying a universe.

So again, i don't see Darkseid personally exerting his power and destroying a universe.

i.imgur.com/da8ES3J.jpg

Also disagree with "he destroyed a universe" as "his parademons turned a universe lifeless". That's just too many assumptions.

Originally posted by operator616
In the multiversity issue, Supertown was still intact while in the current chronology it was destroyed in the Godhead war iirc. So its place is definitely questionable in terms of continuity.

Originally posted by Galan007
We don't know when Multiversity takes place chronologically, though. For all we know, it takes place in the past and Darkseid had already regained his true form by the time he confronts Constantine.

If the word 'avatar' was mentioned somewhere in those Constatine issues, you'd have a point. But as it stands, the intent of those issues is quite clear: that is the one and only Darkseid.

We don't know, we know however that it takes place in the DCnU after Flashpoint and that happened not that long ago, 5 years. So we can assume that it happenes somwhere between now (imo most liekely) and 5 years ago. Why I think it happens now is simple, because of the Ultra Comics, that appeared now and which are referenced in every Multiversity comic. "Do not read this comic" is actual as it can be.

It is a guess that is true but I base my opinion on Multiversity too. But to each his own, agree to disagree.

Oh before I forget it, good points true debater.

biscuits

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are we sure that this was Earth 2 John was talking about? As when Darkseid saw the dead universe he said that he has already consumed it.

i.imgur.com/da8ES3J.jpg

Also disagree with "he destroyed a universe" as "his parademons turned a universe lifeless". That's just too many assumptions.

It's either E2 or the lifeless universe which the Parademons drained through the flame.

too many assumptions? We actually saw on panel, Parademons draining a universe through the flame and rending a universe lifeless. While on the other hand, we did not see DS consuming any universes.

Who's assuming again?

Originally posted by operator616
In the multiversity issue, Supertown was still intact while in the current chronology it was destroyed in the Godhead war iirc. So its place is definitely questionable in terms of continuity.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or maybe Morrison didn't plan for Godhead as Multiversity is planned over years.

.....which is why that couldn't have been an avatar. Multiversity is a standalone event.

Originally posted by operator616
.....which is why that couldn't have been an avatar. Multiversity is a standalone event.

Why does it referrence the official 52 earths, Flashpoint, FC, CoiE etc? Also Convergence ties everything together, or will as far as i know.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's intact after Godhead. The GL's prevented it from crashing down to the planet.

By intact i mean it being atop of the planet. Not collapsed which is what happened in Godhead.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Why does it referrence the official 52 earths, Flashpoint, FC, CoiE etc? Also Convergence ties everything together, or will as far as i know.

Referencing 52 Earths doesn't support your point because DCnU has far more than 52 Earths actually. But either way im not saying it's not canon. Im saying that other writers while writing their respective titles didn't take the events of Multiversity into consideration. At all.

Originally posted by operator616
Referencing 52 Earths doesn't support your point because DCnU has far more than 52 Earths actually. But either way im not saying it's not canon. Im saying that other writers while writing their respective titles didn't take the events of Multiversity into consideration. At all.

Which doesn't matter if they consider it or not tbh. Because once we agree that there are differen't versions of Darkseid in differen't comics from DC we are left with the logical conclusion that those are just fragments of Darkseid.

Originally posted by operator616
By intact i mean it being atop of the planet. Not collapsed which is what happened in Godhead.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Which doesn't matter if they consider it or not tbh. Because once we agree that there are differen't versions of Darkseid in differen't comics from DC we are left with the logical conclusion that those are just fragments of Darkseid.

Intention is everything. But all of this is irrelevant either way since we have no way of knowing where it takes place chronologically.

For example, consider this scenario:

All of the Darkseids we've seen so far in DCnU is the one true Darkseid. He goes on to confront the AM in the JL war. He gets destroyed by AM and split into fragments. And then he starts reassembling again (which is where Multiversity comes into play).

That's one scenario i can imagine. And you simply can't, with 100% certainty, say that im wrong since you don't know the chronological place of Multiversity.

You get what im saying?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Probably restored the antigravity systems.. Should be an easy fix for New Gods.

I guess that's possible, yeah.

Re-reading the scene though, HF mentioned that DS took advantage of their "slumber". Not sure what he's referring to, but i doubt by "slumber" he's referring to the Godhead war.

See why i say this is a standalone event. It simply doesn't make sense, chronologically speaking.

Originally posted by operator616
It's either E2 or the lifeless universe which the Parademons drained through the flame.

too many assumptions? We actually saw on panel, Parademons draining a universe through the flame and rending a universe lifeless. While on the other hand, we did not see DS consuming any universes.

Who's assuming again?

OK, agree to disagree. And John specifically said that Darkseid has already destroyed a universe. You think it was actually Darkseid and Parademons? Good for you.

Originally posted by operator616

You get what im saying?

That was my point from the beginning, that everything is up to interpretation and that there is not absolute truth. Imho what we see are fragments.

Originally posted by abhilegend
OK, agree to disagree. And John specifically said that Darkseid has already destroyed a universe. You think it was actually Darkseid and Parademons? Good for you.

It's simple english comprehension bro. We only see parademons doing the job.

When someone says "Hitler conquered most of Europe" does it mean that Hitler carried a gun and personally went on to conquer it single-handedly? Same thing applies here. We simply didn't see DS doing anything, but rather his forces. But of course, Darkseid takes the credit since he's their leader.

Had Darkseid actually done something, i wouldn't be arguing this.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
That was my point from the beginning, that everything is up to interpretation and that there is not absolute truth. Imho what we see are fragments.

This I completely agree with.