Bush calls for gay marriage ban

Originally posted by Raz
I don't think anyone suggested it was inherited from the parents. It's something you're born with, and you just have to deal with it.

How and why, no-one knows.

A view I am utterly and totally opposed to and that I think has no bearing towards real life.

When I was gay I was proud to have chosen that, as a bisexual I am equally proud. No-one is going to tell me I HAD to be this way, especially people who have no idea how to back up what they are saying.

what makes it hereditary? is there a GAY gene? no. You can have 2 completely straight parents and be born a completely normal person. The environment that you grow up and the images that are pleasing to your developed mind are what makes you gay....not some hereditary factors.

Originally posted by Raz
Ush, theres a thing called Denial. People try to supress what they don't like.

That is too true.

Originally posted by The Force
yeah pretty much, except when the ppl fully understand homosexuality, like ppl that follow rules of the Bible, we know it's wrong and we try to tell other ppl, but some ppl refuse to beleive what we call the truth, so there are those same close-minded ppl that throw out the information that we give them about homosexuality, which they don't like

it's just like circular reasoning

Or alternatively you refuse to see the intolerant, backwards, barbaric nature of such belief that it is wrong.

Yup, that seems to be right...

Originally posted by Linkalicious
what makes it hereditary? is there a GAY gene? no. You can have 2 completely straight parents and be born a completely normal person. The environment that you grow up and the images that are pleasing to your developed mind are what makes you gay....not some hereditary factors.

Absolutely

Did anyone actually say it was hereditary? I don't remember.

Anyhow, how does the enviroment change your sexuality. That is something I do not understand.

Originally posted by The Force
yeah pretty much, except when the ppl fully understand homosexuality, like ppl that follow rules of the Bible, we know it's wrong and we try to tell other ppl, but some ppl refuse to beleive what we call the truth, so there are those same close-minded ppl that throw out the information that we give them about homosexuality, which they don't like

it's just like circular reasoning

That is pretty stupid is you ask me. Just because some people are closed minded, that means that they should make hell for those who arent...

No offence Force, but hoosexuality has been arround much longer than the bible, and if you quote me the bile anywhere where it says ''being gay wil send you to hell, and being gay is wrong'' please do quote it for us...

Originally posted by julibug
W/o ref. to religion, basically here's what we're talkin' about...

[b]Merriam-Webster's definition of marriage:

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mar-ij also 'mer-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Old French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a : the state of being married b : the mutual relation of husband and wife : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry -- J. T. Shawcross>

[/B]

ahem *points up to defintion*

Did any of you read the links I posted? The last two were very very interesting. They discuss scientific study into sexual orientation. They talk some about twins, for example, that were raised in different homes, if one twin is gay, only about 55% percent of the time is the other one gay. Thus challenging the genetic issue. But they do have other valid points about very early detective of homosexuality. I don't have time to quote here. Please go read...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus4.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus3.htm

I don't disagree with homosexuals. They can do with their lives as they please. As long as they remain within the law of the land is just fine. For me what matters is the contribution that they put into their society. What politicians need to recognize is that whether you are gay or straight, doesn't really matter. What matters is how much the indivual contributes to the commonwealth of the a nation.

Originally posted by Raz
Did anyone actually say it was hereditary? I don't remember.

Anyhow, how does the enviroment change your sexuality. That is something I do not understand.

Exactly!

So what the rst of you are saying is that if two gay adults have a child it will grow up to be gay? Bullshit!

Originally posted by The Force
ahem *points up to defintion*

Environment can change anything- anything at all. It is a ludicrously complex area. People are VERY complex beings.

Birth DOES have a factor in sexuality. But so does environment, circumstance, upbringing, choice... no-one can pin it down.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
What the heck is that, you think people would deliberately not 'chose' it because they are worried about what others might think? How ridiculous! People make counter-social choices all the time. What do you think Gay Pride is?

So you think that gay people diliberately choose to be gay- like say, they would choose to be a punk or a goth, like it's a trend? I could not choose to be gay, because I am not attracted to the same sex- I can't choose to fancy girls- it just doesn't work that way!!

And what was the thing about gay pride? You think that the gay pride marcher's are not descriminated against just because they are proud of who they are? They know that homosexuality is what you would call 'counter-social', but they can not choose to change their sexuality- could you choose to change your sexuality- or are you definitely, unchangeably heterosexual?! Think about it...

julibug, I have never heard of that website before, so am not sure how much I should believe.

Originally posted by Raz
Did anyone actually say it was hereditary? I don't remember.

Anyhow, how does the enviroment change your sexuality. That is something I do not understand.

Well if i grew up in a society of fags...there would be a lot more likely chance that i was going to be a fag.

In any case, what does it matter? Natur or nurture, it amkes no difference as to why Bush is restricting the term 'marriage' to male and female. He is doing that for religious reasons, and the backgrou d nature of homosexuality makes no difference to that.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is pretty stupid is you ask me. Just because some people are closed minded, that means that they should make hell for those who arent...

No offence Force, but hoosexuality has been arround much longer than the bible, and if you quote me the bile anywhere where it says ''being gay wil send you to hell, and being gay is wrong'' please do quote it for us...

Genesis 19:1-11

Leviticus 18:22

Leviticus 20:13

1Corinthians 6:9

1Timothy 1:10

Jude 7

Romans 1:26,27

Simply giving the references you asked for. Not implying anything else!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Environment can change anything- anything at all. It is a ludicrously complex area. People are VERY complex beings.

Birth DOES have a factor in sexuality. But so does environment, circumstance, upbringing, choice... no-one can pin it down.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Well if i grew up in a society of fags...there would be a lot more likely chance that i was going to be a fag.