Bush calls for gay marriage ban

Originally posted by Sugar Kane
So you think that gay people diliberately choose to be gay- like say, they would choose to be a punk or a goth, like it's a trend? I could not choose to be gay, because I am not attracted to the same sex- I can't choose to fancy girls- it just doesn't work that way!!

And what was the thing about gay pride? You think that the gay pride marcher's are not descriminated against just because they are proud of who they are? They know that homosexuality is what you would call 'counter-social', but they can not choose to change their sexuality- could you choose to change your sexuality- or are you definitely, unchangeably heterosexual?! Think about it...

No, I absolutely reject any idea that it is something you just 'chose' like that. I said choice is a factor in your lifestyle.

And of course gay pride people are discriminated against. But Gay pride is about NOT CARING! Gay... and PROUD? See?

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Well if i grew up in a society of fags...there would be a lot more likely chance that i was going to be a fag.

please refrain from using the word fag...

Originally posted by Raz
julibug, I have never heard of that website before, so am not sure how much I should believe.

True, but apparently it isn't completely scientifically proven to be innate, and yet there are some things that point to it. Kinda still "in the air"?

I don't know what point I'm trying to make anymore...I'm going to bed...

Originally posted by julibug
Genesis 19:1-11

Leviticus 18:22

Leviticus 20:13

1Corinthians 6:9

1Timothy 1:10

Jude 7

Romans 1:26,27

Simply giving the references you asked for. Not implying anything else!

I dont have a bible, i cant look it up 😑

I was hoping for a specific quote....😕

Originally posted by Raz
I'm afraid you still didn't explain why you think enviroment is a factor.

You didn;t ask why it was. You asked how it COULD be.

And I think it is a factor in the same way I think environment is a generic factor in all aspects of human development.

Link> your example leads to the ol' argument of Nature vs. Nurture.

Originally posted by julibug
True, but apparently it isn't completely scientifically proven to be innate, and yet there are some things that point to it. Kinda still "in the air"?

Originally posted by Shoukan
please refrain from using the word fag...

I'll think about it...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You didn;t ask why it was. You asked how it COULD be.

And I think it is a factor in the same way I think environment is a generic factor in all aspects of human development.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
I'll think about it...

that word is insulting

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I dont have a bible, i cant look it up 😑

You can read the bible online:

http://www.bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp

link, DON'T use that word. It's degrading.

Originally posted by Raz
link, DON'T use that word. It's degrading.

thank you Raz for backing me up on that word👆

Originally posted by Raz
So you believe that if a child is brought up in a society full of homosexuals, that child will more than likely be homosexual?

I also raised that point, but everyone ignored it...

Originally posted by Raz
link, DON'T use that word. It's degrading.

And it makes him sound like a bigot...

Originally posted by WindDancer
Link> your example leads to the ol' argument of Nature vs. Nurture.

Again just one more time.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is pretty stupid is you ask me. Just because some people are closed minded, that means that they should make hell for those who arent...

No offence Force, but hoosexuality has been arround much longer than the bible, and if you quote me the bile anywhere where it says ''being gay wil send you to hell, and being gay is wrong'' please do quote it for us...

Lil here's something from a sight that i found

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ)
Leviticus 18:24
Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. (NKJ)

Leviticus 18:25
For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. (NKJ)

Romans 1:24
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. (NLT)

Romans 1:26
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. (NLT)

Romans 1:27
And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. (NLT)

Romans 1:28
When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. (NLT)

Romans 1:29
Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. (NLT)

Romans 1:32
They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (NLT)

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Originally posted by Raz
So you believe that if a child is brought up in a society full of homosexuals, that child will more than likely be homosexual?

I call that upbringing, not environment.

But it is abundantly clear that, yes, a person's sexuality can be encouraged. It is a common tactic used by right-wing Christians to 'cure (i.e. brainwash) gays 'back' into being 'normal'. I wish it was not possible, but it is.

It would be wrong to try and make a person what he would not want to be but influence can indeed be exerted by others upon you.

But simple exposure to gay society should have no noticable effect at all, unless said person would not otherwise have known such a choice was possible.

Oh great, Bible quotes, well, THAT sorts everything out...