Originally posted by Never
No...hmm, how to put it? Was not augmented per sé...recall when Emma Frost occupied Drake's body and showed him just how versatile he really is? Current writer for Black Panther did the same.He stomps Batman GIVING Batman prep time.
Panther is as smart as Tony Stark and has more resources.
Stomps Batman giving Batman prep time,,,,,,,,I never thought i'd hear this.
I remember a limited series (contest of champions) where Marvels heros were broken up into teams and each team had to retrieve an item before the other. In one of the books Wolverine had Black Panther pretty much at his mercy in a matter of seconds (the Thing threatened Wolverine and BP flipped him off of him while he was distracted). Hmmm,,,,,besides poor writing, something doesnt sound kosher here.
Originally posted by kal-el
Mate, gobsmacked is an excellent term. 😉
No argument here. That's why it's so excellent-- it cracks me up!
As for Wolverine putting Black Panther on the ropes, is there any confusion that that's how it would work? Black Panther may kick ass, but Wolverine is the original ass-kicking machine. In a no-holds-barred throw-down, Wolvie takes the trophy.
Originally posted by The Batman
As for Wolverine putting Black Panther on the ropes, is there any confusion that that's how it would work? Black Panther may kick ass, but Wolverine is the original ass-kicking machine. In a no-holds-barred throw-down, Wolvie takes the trophy.
I guess its me. I think that Captain America could scrap with Wolverine even. I dont want to go into the whole who would beat who thing, Maybe i'm giving the good Captain too much credit. (I have a large run of Captain America and I think it caused me to be biased. He might not be the baddest, but i've never seen him afraid to throw down with anybody.)
True Cap is plenty brave!He has fear but he's always brave enough. He actually started on superman in the JLA/Avengers #3 this month.He said ' I'm not afraid of you, you're just another over-muscled fool, you know how many like you I've beaten in my time?' then they both stepped up to eachother and the reality changed.
Cap is no man without fear, but he is a man without too much fear!
Originally posted by tkitna
I guess its me. I think that Captain America could scrap with Wolverine even.
Captain America is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. Batman is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. BatGIRL is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. DAREDEVIL is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. IRON FIST is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. I can keep going if you like...?
Re: Black Panther losing to Wolverine, that is simply a very misguided opinion.
Black Panther wears a suit made of VIBRANIUM. Know what the properties of this metal are? Research them. He also has claws made of "anti-metal" Vibranium. Guess what they do? Break down OTHER alloys - for example, ADAMANTIUM? His claws LIQUIFY metals.
Guess nobody knew that Black Panther defeated the entire Fantastic Four all by his lonesome?
WITH prep time ANY Black Panther vs. Wolverine fight would be very ugly, very short, and very convincing...with Wolverine out COLD on his back, like he has been on so many different occasions already - or flat out DEAD. Black Panther could EASILY poison, flash-bomb, sonic, blind, pressure-point attack Wolverine - EASILY. He is simply the better fighter, and has TONS more resources at his disposal.
If anti-metal could liquefy type 1 adamantium, it would have been done already by Advanced Idea Mechanics or any other high-tech criminal organization. Before you grace me with another supercilious, puerile "LoL," try to allow for the possibility that even ignoramuses can stumble upon websites containing information on adamantium, vibranium, and anti-metal.
If Wolverine wanted to kill the Black Panther, a vibranium suit wouldn't protect him. Luckily, Wolverine isn't the type to kill other superheroes, or benevolent world leaders.
I don't know T'Challa's full history. If he's a better fighter than Wolverine, then that's impressive. Maybe someday he'll get some recognition and respect from all us ignoramuses with insufficient knowledge of comic book martial artists.
Originally posted by Never
Captain America is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. Batman is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. BatGIRL is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. DAREDEVIL is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. IRON FIST is a better fighter than Wolverine. Period. I can keep going if you like...?This may be so, but you'll never see any of these characters smacking Wolverine around in any comic.
Re: Black Panther losing to Wolverine, that is simply a very misguided opinion.
Misguided or not, all i'm saying is that the Black Panther was about three seconds away from catching six claws to the adams apple. He was done. Period.
Black Panther wears a suit made of VIBRANIUM. Know what the properties of this metal are? Research them. He also has claws made of "anti-metal" Vibranium. Guess what they do? Break down OTHER alloys - for example, ADAMANTIUM? His claws LIQUIFY metals.
This didnt seem to be working when Wolverine almost killed him.
Guess nobody knew that Black Panther defeated the entire Fantastic Four all by his lonesome?
Actually I did. That was a very long time ago and they were pretty much introducing the character. (ironically, it seems that the FF are always getting their @ss handed to them at one point in a battle. Didnt BP become a member of the FF at one time?). I've also witnessed the Panther work over the Avengers too.
WITH prep time ANY Black Panther vs. Wolverine fight would be very ugly, very short, and very convincing...with Wolverine out COLD on his back, like he has been on so many different occasions already - or flat out DEAD. Black Panther could EASILY poison, flash-bomb, sonic, blind, pressure-point attack Wolverine - EASILY. He is simply the better fighter, and has TONS more resources at his disposal.
Possibly, but again, I think the resources and technology aspect is a copout. Heros that have all of this technology that cause a battle to sway in one direction usually use it for a purpose,,,,,,,they need it. Lets be honest, Iron Man isnt much of a hero without his armor. Half the people that post on this forum could probably ***** slap Tony Stark. Doctor Doom without his gadgets poses hardly any threat at all. Sorry, I just struggle with heros that depend largely on technology to beat other heros. This is just my opinion. Also, i've seen the Panther on his back and against the ropes a bunch of times also, so lets not make him into something he may not be. Again, i've mentioned before, i've been out of the collecting buisiness for the last 6 or 7 years and I relaize that characters can change. I'm purely basing my opinion on the 20 year span before this period.
yeah Character's can get smacked around by people you would never expect........Darkhawk...........i mean wtf
wait arnt we talking about Batman vs Captain America? if there is a unanimos victor let me know, and maybe we should start a new thread about say fighting skill vs abilities.
example
Spiderman vs Batman thread, witch i belive should be moved or re-created here
>>This may be so, but you'll never see any of these characters smacking Wolverine around in any comic.<<
Characters of equal or lesser fighting ability have. The only reason one **might** not is they are either allies or are in other universes. Sabretooth has stomped Wolverine. And Cyber, iirc. And Omega Red. And Elektra. Black Panther would mop the floor with Elektra. Lady Deathstrike has sliced, diced, and buttered Wolvie's ass thrice. Black Panther would smoke Lady Deathstrike. Whether or not you agree is fine - Black Panther is simply on another level strategically. I am telling you what I **know** about Panther.
>>Misguided or not, all i'm saying is that the Black Panther was about three seconds away from catching six claws to the adams apple. He was done. Period.<<
That writing was about as shoddy as Wolverine catching Spidey off-guard - and probably just as old.
>>This didnt seem to be working when Wolverine almost killed him.<<
See above. It is no secret that characters are tweaked constantly - for example, Emma Frost's diamond skin. Contest of Champions is old...like, mid 80's I think it was.
Would you like a tale of the tape?
Wolverine strength: ~800lbs.
Black Panther strength: ~750lbs.
Intelligence? No comparison. Black Panther (scientist, degree in physics)
Tracking ability? Equal.
Agility/speed/reflexes? Black Panther.
Technology? Black Panther.
*shrug* Only thing Wolverine has an advantage in is healing factor (can be overcome and has been, especially via poison) and adamantium skele. Both of these "advantages" are able to be voided.
>>Possibly, but again, I think the resources and technology aspect is a copout. Heros that have all of this technology that cause a battle to sway in one direction usually use it for a purpose,,,,,,,they need it.<<
Not sure what you are saying here - seems as if you are at first disagreeing, then validating it. Yes, Tony Starks sans his Iron Man suit is...Tony Starks. And...? Not understanding what you are saying. Point is Black Panther is on another level strategically than Wolverine is. Batman would definitely lose against Flash sans prep time. With prep? Different story. That is my point - Black Panther has resources at his disposal which would incontrovertibly turn the tide of a whole host of battles in his favor.
LoL @ Wolverine killing Black Panther. Goodness, site is being overrun by fanboys? How the hell would AIM be able to appropriate enough VIBRANIUM which breaks down metal alloys considering it exists solely on WAKANDA (the kind that HE uses)? Duh, idiot savant? Ever considered keeping your mouth shut until you actually encounter a subject that you are knowledgeable of? Guess I will hear another peep on this forum in oh, 2008?
Whoops, forget about my inconquerable aversion to dumbasses.
Originally posted by Never
That writing was about as shoddy as Wolverine catching Spidey off-guard - and probably just as old.>>This didnt seem to be working when Wolverine almost killed him.<<
See above. It is no secret that characters are tweaked constantly - for example, Emma Frost's diamond skin. Contest of Champions is old...like, mid 80's I think it was.
LoL @ Wolverine killing Black Panther. Goodness, site is being overrun by fanboys? How the hell would AIM be able to appropriate enough VIBRANIUM which breaks down metal alloys considering it exists solely on WAKANDA (the kind that HE uses)? Duh, idiot savant? Ever considered keeping your mouth shut until you actually encounter a subject that you are knowledgeable of? Guess I will hear another peep on this forum in oh, 2008?
Whoops, forget about my inconquerable aversion to dumbasses.
Well, you just shot down any judgement of character that I had for you. Never, you are truly an @sshole. And to think that you made yourself look like a fuking moron over a conversation about the Black Panther of all things. Idiot savant indeed!
Whether it was me, you, Shakespeare, etc,,,,the shoddy writing your refering to was WRITTEN. It was written by a comic book writer too. Imagine that. I'm sorry that whoever wrote the series isnt the living defenition of "Mr. Know-it-all about comics" like yourself (man, that makes you cool), but i'm sure hes worried about your opinion.
One other thing,,,,if I were to ever meet you in person, you would need all the "prep time" that you could get. 'Nuff Said!
Originally posted by Madcap
Fool. Captian has the whole american people behing him. Batman has alfred.
I'm sorry. I think I must have missed the part where we were asked who would win if Captain America and everyone who respected him faught Batman and everyone who respected him. How careless of me. And despite reading Batman every month, I also must have missed reading the comics where Batman loses the support of Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, all the other heroes who respect Batman (Katana comes to mind), the JLA, and the Gotham Police Force. Maybe I'm going senile or something. And at such a young age.