Originally posted by BackFire
Obviously it's not impossible since I'm doing it.He says "Don't kill", then he KILLS children. I don't need to understand the mysteries of creation to know that according to almost every moral code in existance, including Christianity, that this is wrong, and is not something a loving god would/should do, not to mention it's blatantly hypocritical.
We can argue the semantics of what gives one the ability to judge forever, however, it all really comes down to this basic question..Do you/or do you not believe in a loving God? We all have the right to choose what we believe in, but as with all choices made in life..their are various actions that take place as the result of these choices.
Originally posted by yahman
define evil
I'll leave it to Florida state - heres a little on the evil gene there is a lot of more modearn stuff out there.
http://www.research.fsu.edu/researchr/spring96/features/evil.html
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I'll leave it to Florida state - heres a little on the evil gene there is a lot of more modearn stuff out there.http://www.research.fsu.edu/researchr/spring96/features/evil.html
And we Floridians would know about evil. Afterall it's hot as hell down here. 😂
Originally posted by Spelljammer
I seriously believe this. My family, they all have that same ******* characteristic about them. Even me to some extent. (Though lesser cause I mentaly took after my mom..)And we Floridians would know about evil. Afterall it's hot as hell down here. 😂
Indeed you and I both Spelljammer and I spelt modern wrong 🙁
Evil and a poor speller 🙁 thats me
Originally posted by leana marie
no people arent born evil!!
At 2 years old (mom told me the stories) I would call her a *****, when she tried to was my mouth out with soap I grabbed it and laughed.
At age 3 I'd remind her of her miscarriage and make her cry.
At age 5 I slowly totured a butterfly, this was when my evil began to diminish some. After seeing it just lie there in pain, twitching, it just wouldn't die. And something inside me lit, I didn't want to see it go through pain anymore. So I killed it swiftly. I learned mercy that day.
But that was about as far as my morale went..
Originally posted by BackFire
YepI have no problem with believing in a loving god, I just refuse to acknowledge a god that kills children as a loving god. But maybe that's just me. As such I could never ever believe in the Christian god. But again, all of this is just my belief/opinion on the matter.
Let's not forget the whole story behind God's punishment to the Egyptians. I believe you left out the part about Pharoah enslaving the Israelites for hundreds of years, killing the Israelites firstborn males, and doing all types of detestable things to the Israelites while they were held captive in Egypt.(ie rape, torture, offer them as sacrafices to their Gods..etc) Keep in mind..this all happened well before God's
punishment on Pharoah and Egypt.
The only reason why Moses stayed alive was because he was raised as an Egyptian. As the story goes, Pharoah commanded all Isrealite males to be killed in order to control the growing population of Israelites in Egypt. In order to save her son, Moses's mother put him on a straw bed and layed him in a stream. Where he was eventually found and adopted by the Pharoah's daughter.
And let us not forget, the fact that Pharoah was warned many times to free the Isrealites, by words and by plagues. When it all comes down to it..Pharoah "reaped what he sewed." Everything evil that he had done and intended to do to the children of Israel...he ended up doing to his own people.
On another note..I have another question for you BF.
What type of God do you believe in?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Let's not forget the whole story behind God's punishment to the Egyptians. I believe you left out the part about Pharoah enslaving the Israelites for hundreds of years, killing the Israelites firstborn males, and doing all types of detestable things to the Israelites while they were held captive in Egypt.(ie rape, torture, offer them as sacrafices to their Gods..etc) Keep in mind..this all happened well before God's
punishment on Pharoah and Egypt.The only reason why Moses stayed alive was because he was raised as an Egyptian. As the story goes, Pharoah commanded all Isrealite males to be killed in order to control the growing population of Israelites in Egypt. In order to save her son, Moses's mother put him on a straw bed and layed him in a stream. Where he was eventually found and adopted by the Pharoah's daughter.
And let us not forget, the fact that Pharoah was warned many times to free the Isrealites, by words and by plagues. When it all comes down to it..Pharoah "reaped what he sewed." Everything evil that he had done and intended to do to the children of Israel...he ended up doing to his own people.
On another note..I have another question for you BF.
What type of God do you believe in?
Then the Lord said:
I have seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cries because of their taskmasters. I know their suffering and have come down to deliver them out of the hands of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a good and broad land, a land flowing with milk and honey.
Yeah, God sent Moses to be the deliverer, then throws a curveball; God hardens Pharoah's heart, so Pharoah won't let the Israelites go.
"Moses, set my people free; Pharoah, keep 'em captive." Hey God, whose side are you on?
Then a plague; God plagued the mighty Pharoah for not letting the Israelites go. God smites Pharoah with the first of ten disasters. One morning, old-boy Pharoah strolls down to the beach for, you know, a swim, for a tan, something. He goes down, checks it . . . oh! All the water in the Nile has turned to blood.
"Why?" That's what Pharoah's asking himself, "Why is there blood in the Nile?" He asks his priests and his soothsayers but before they can figure it out, swarms of frogs hop out of the water and into the Egyptians' homes; into their beds, and bathtubs, and mixing bowls.
Pharoah says, "Enough, the Israelites can get the **** out."
"Yippie!" says Moses.
And then, God hardens Pharoah's heart again; at the last minute Pharoah decides the Israelites can't leave. Suddenly, the dust of Egypt turns to gnats and flies. Imagine, your house, your office, your whole city filled with flies. Imagine the noise, all the buzzing in your head, and bug spray won't be invented for four thousand years yet.
Darkness; for three days straight, only darkness. Think of it, sitting in your house for three days, no lights, no TVs, not even a flashlight to keep the black out. Pharoah is sitting there on his throne, in the dark, wondering when it's all gonna end. All 'cause of God. Doesn't make sense, does it; Pharoah taking the blame for what God was gonna do anyway?
The last plague is the worst one. That's the one that messes up our ideas about God. All the firstborn in the land of Egypt killed on one night when everyone's asleep. You the oldest child in the family? Woulda been you, no questions asked. Pharoah's son dies too; his heir, his pride and joy, sweet, innocent little boy.
You reap what you sow, Pharoah got what he deserved. But what about Abdul the farmer who woke up with frogs on his face, his cattle dead from anthrax, his wife ****ed up with sores, his only child dead, all because of a leader he didn't even get to vote for? What about all the people who reap what they don't sow? What about you?
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Let's not forget the whole story behind God's punishment to the Egyptians. I believe you left out the part about Pharoah enslaving the Israelites for hundreds of years, killing the Israelites firstborn males, and doing all types of detestable things to the Israelites while they were held captive in Egypt.(ie rape, torture, offer them as sacrafices to their Gods..etc) Keep in mind..this all happened well before God's
punishment on Pharoah and Egypt.The only reason why Moses stayed alive was because he was raised as an Egyptian. As the story goes, Pharoah commanded all Isrealite males to be killed in order to control the growing population of Israelites in Egypt. In order to save her son, Moses's mother put him on a straw bed and layed him in a stream. Where he was eventually found and adopted by the Pharoah's daughter.
And let us not forget, the fact that Pharoah was warned many times to free the Isrealites, by words and by plagues. When it all comes down to it..Pharoah "reaped what he sewed." Everything evil that he had done and intended to do to the children of Israel...he ended up doing to his own people.
On another note..I have another question for you BF.
What type of God do you believe in?
In my mind, that still doesn't justify killing children that had nothing to do with the Pharoahs actions or plans.
To answer your question, Whob, I'm more or less agnostic, don't really believe in any God.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Then the Lord said:I have seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cries because of their taskmasters. I know their suffering and have come down to deliver them out of the hands of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a good and broad land, a land flowing with milk and honey.
Yeah, God sent Moses to be the deliverer, then throws a curveball; God hardens Pharoah's heart, so Pharoah won't let the Israelites go.
"Moses, set my people free; Pharoah, keep 'em captive." Hey God, whose side are you on?Then a plague; God plagued the mighty Pharoah for not letting the Israelites go. God smites Pharoah with the first of ten disasters. One morning, old-boy Pharoah strolls down to the beach for, you know, a swim, for a tan, something. He goes down, checks it . . . oh! All the water in the Nile has turned to blood.
"Why?" That's what Pharoah's asking himself, "Why is there blood in the Nile?" He asks his priests and his soothsayers but before they can figure it out, swarms of frogs hop out of the water and into the Egyptians' homes; into their beds, and bathtubs, and mixing bowls.
Pharoah says, "Enough, the Israelites can get the **** out."
"Yippie!" says Moses.And then, God hardens Pharoah's heart again; at the last minute Pharoah decides the Israelites can't leave. Suddenly, the dust of Egypt turns to gnats and flies. Imagine, your house, your office, your whole city filled with flies. Imagine the noise, all the buzzing in your head, and bug spray won't be invented for four thousand years yet.
Darkness; for three days straight, only darkness. Think of it, sitting in your house for three days, no lights, no TVs, not even a flashlight to keep the black out. Pharoah is sitting there on his throne, in the dark, wondering when it's all gonna end. All 'cause of God. Doesn't make sense, does it; Pharoah taking the blame for what God was gonna do anyway?
The last plague is the worst one. That's the one that messes up our ideas about God. All the firstborn in the land of Egypt killed on one night when everyone's asleep. You the oldest child in the family? Woulda been you, no questions asked. Pharoah's son dies too; his heir, his pride and joy, sweet, innocent little boy.
You reap what you sow, Pharoah got what he deserved. But what about Abdul the farmer who woke up with frogs on his face, his cattle dead from anthrax, his wife ****ed up with sores, his only child dead, all because of a leader he didn't even get to vote for? What about all the people who reap what they don't sow? What about you?
Well first off..let me clarify something. "Hardening of the heart" implies God removing his presence from ourselves. You know that little thing that we call a conscience, that's actually God talking to us. Well you see...Pharoah hadn't listened to his conscience for quite some time. In fact..he rejected it. When you reject that little voice of God within you..that's called searing your conscience. Years of opressing, murdering, and enslaving the Isrealites caused Pharoah to have a "seared" conscience.
How long should God be obligated to keep one instilled with a conscience, particularly when they've seared it many times by the choices they've made?
Pharoah had the choice early on to free the Isrealites. Before God brought on the plagues..before God removed his presence from him. This would have saved Abdul the farmer..as well as the lives of countless others. But throughout his life, Pharoah continued to make the wrong choices. That's why its important for all of us..to make the right choices when given the opportunity to do so.
We never know when God will finally give up on trying to save us and say.."its time for me to leave <Insert Name here>", and allow us to continue down a path that could eventually bring ourselves/others disaster.
Originally posted by BackFire
In my mind, that still doesn't justify killing children that had nothing to do with the Pharoahs actions or plans.To answer your question, Whob, I'm more or less agnostic, don't really believe in any God.
Well I respect your right to choose what you believe in..but even being agnostic..you still follow a religion..and you still worship a type of "God"..just not the same type of "God" that I worship. Don't let the world deceive you into believing that you are not worshipping something. Everyone has some sort of "God" in their life...whether it be their job..their spouse, child, themselves,etc..etc.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Well first off..let me clarify something. "Hardening of the heart" implies God removing his presence from ourselves. You know that little thing that we call a conscience, that's actually God talking to us. Well you see...Pharoah hadn't listened to his conscience for quite some time. In fact..he rejected it. When you reject that little voice of God within you..that's called searing your conscience. Years of opressing, murdering, and enslaving the Isrealites caused Pharoah to have a "seared" conscience.How long should God be obligated to keep one instilled with a conscience, particularly when they've seared it many times by the choices they've made?
Pharoah had the choice early on to free the Isrealites. Before God brought on the plagues..before God removed his presence from him. This would have saved Abdul the farmer..as well as the lives of countless others. But throughout his life, Pharoah continued to make the wrong choices. That's why its important for all of us..to make the right choices when given the opportunity to do so.
We never know when God will finally give up on trying to save us and say.."its time for me to leave <Insert Name here>", and allow us to continue down a path that could eventually bring ourselves/others disaster.
Pharoah did try to do the right thing... six times. And each time, God directly intefered with Pharoah's free will. Not only did God punish Pharaoh for what He was going to do anyway, but he also punished all of Egypt, the innocent and the guilty as well. How is that fair?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Pharoah did try to do the right thing... [b]six times. And each time, God directly intefered with Pharoah's free will. Not only did God punish Pharaoh for what He was going to do anyway, but he also punished all of Egypt, the innocent and the guilty as well. How is that fair? [/B]
Did Pharoah try to do the right thing when he attempted to kill all the male children of Israel?
Did he try to do the right thing when he enslaved and tortured the Isrealites for many years?
The other part of your post is a big assumption. Your assuming that they're were people in Egypt that were "innocent" at the time....but as we've seen from other examples in scripture, they're have been times when entire cities were "corrupt" and "guilty."
Cities like Saddam and Gammorah...
If you are familiar with scripture, you will remember that the question was posed to God by Abraham..that if the city of S & G had "1" righteous person..would God save it?
God's answer: Yes.
Also refer to the city of Ninevah..The place where Jonah preached. The people of Ninevah knew of the true God, however, they were led astray. God commanded Jonah to go to Ninivah, and tell them that they would be destroyed if they did not change their ways. Fortunately for the people of Ninevah..they're hearts had not been completely hardened towards God..and they repented and were spared...
So I ask of you..why do you assume that the people of Egypt at the time were "innocent" in any sense?
Did they not partake and submit to the evil actions of Pharoah?
Did they have a choice to not partake in Pharoahs evil actions towards the Isrealites and God?
Tough Questions...and I believe we both know the answers to them.