Are some people born evil?

Originally posted by BackFire
Well, if you go by the bible, technically he's right. Hence the whole original sin thing.

But...that's a big "if".

People are born with the capacity of evil, that is for sure. Anyone is capable of doing evil deeds, but that doesn't necessarily mean one is born evil. Being evil depends on your choices in life, your upbringing. That's what I think, anyways.

Your post and my post are in agreement. I took the stance on the bible because this is the Philosophy Forum not the Religious Forum and the thread does not say "according to the bible".

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Originally posted by TOAA
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And I know that's a knot of The Mother's Trinity because I sport the triquetra which is a simpler version of the same thing. Though the Triquetra can also mean Holy Trinity of Christianity or even the three cycles of Earth. Land, Sea, Air.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I feel sorry for you. To think that you are evil from birth, is evil itself.

The bible is just a book, fill with peoples opinions and thoughts.

A child, when first born, knows nothing of evil or good. The entity which this child is an incarnation of, hold all the karma for this life just born. That Karma shapes the path that this life will take, be it good or evil. We all have God within us and God is not evil.

So indubetedly, if man is born ignorant, he is born with sin.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
What does the Wiccan knot have to do with anything?

And I know that's a knot of The Mother's Trinity because I sport the triquetra which is a simpler version of the same thing. Though the Triquetra can also mean Holy Trinity of Christianity or even the three cycles of Earth. Land, Sea, Air.

actually its symbol for chaos.....it has nothing to do with Christianity

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Doesn't your buddhist philosophy even admit man is born ignorant of his true nature? And that ignorance is the root of all suffering which normaly results from sinful actions?

So indubetedly, if man is born ignorant, he is born with sin.

You need to read up on Buddhism more. Ignorance is not the root of all suffering, attachments are the root of all suffering, but that's per Lotus sutra. Though the Buddha nature, we can change our karma, we don't have to give up anything in life, because life is enlightenment.

I don't know who told you that, but that's the witch'es symbol..

And Chaos? Please tell me your reffering to the aincent Egyption god who came before all other gods and was the creator of those beings whom created us afterward..

Not the inexplicable concept of "chaos" that angst teenagers try to endow to make themselves appear rebelious against their specific organized religon. It's almost as sad as the anarchy schmict..

Oh yay, I looked it up. It seems it IS angst teenager spew, but of the teenage witch variety that derives from "chaos magick" IE: hexes and curses and all that bullcrap which they are by no means prepared to handle because they're fools and will get themselves killed.. Which anyway that STILL isn't the proper symbol for even that mess, this is..

But it was infact originaly a fantasy symbol meaning infinite possibilities. So at best it should either be described by a philsophy or praise to a long forgotten diety. At worst like everything else, angst teenage bullcrap..

I feel almost offended my Pagan knot gets pigeonholed with this..

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I thought it had to do with a woman...kinda a symbol for , a rose or triple goddess, or...just feminine.... OH..can't remember....though have seen it before....Kinda interwoven together.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I feel sorry for you. To think that you are evil from birth, is evil itself.

Your feelings of sympathy are misplaced. I would rather live a life of sadness knowing the truth, then a life of contentment based on lies. The truth is that we are all born into sin, which is against God.

The bible is just a book, fill with peoples opinions and thoughts.

The bible is the "inspired word of God"...not human opinion and thoughts.

A child, when first born, knows nothing of evil or good.

Not True..human beings have the inherent trait within them to seek out what is evil, rather than what is good from birth. Some are more genetically predisposed to certain types of evil than others, based on cultural/family history.

Why do you think massive races of people were completely destroyed by God throughout the centuries? Many societies had certain evil tendencies so greatly embeded in their social structures/genetics, that the only way to rid the evil was to completely wipe out the entire race of people..this included young children.

The entity which this child is an incarnation of, hold all the karma for this life just born. That Karma shapes the path that this life will take, be it good or evil. We all have God within us and God is not evil. [/B]

Our salvation and "righteousness" is justified through our faith in Christ as savior, not on our "Karma" or works.

Your words are taken from the doctrine of Buddhism, another "man inspired" religion which enables man to justify evil behavior, and to believe that his salvation is dependent upon himself, rather than the deity of Christ.

Please educate yourself in truth of Christ, and cease in continuing to spread this untruthful doctrine to others, seeing as how you will receive the greater punishment for leading others astray.

OK, folks... wow i stepped into a hornet's nest.... to those christians out there: let folks believe what they will, and dont get a 'tude or dog out their beliefs. Christ didn't do that, He never told you to either. He said " they will know us by our LOVE" . Not by our hate, or arguments.

And to the thread's idea.... hmmmm... born into sin yeah... necessarily born as we would see "evil" no. people make choices to become what they will become. you can choose to be evil, or good. Yeah, circumstances of life do throw hard crap at ya, but look at it like this: Out of the pain and torment you have felt, or the goodness and easy life you have had, what do YOU do with the knowledge you have garnered? DO YOU A: take the pain out on others, or B: Use it to help those hurting.
A: take your wealth and hold it over the poor's head, or B: get out there, do grants, donations, and help those in need.

YOU have a choice to be good or evil. Dont let Hell or Heaven or anyone sway that, make it for yourself. You can't get into heaven by "being good", and you may not necessarily end up in hell for "being evil". That stuff is beyond this topic, so folks really oughtta not even worry about it.

In the end, you make that choice. You see that hot young thing, you choose whether or not to respect their space or rape them. You see a person getting mugged, you CHOOSE to call 911 and help them or not. You see $100 on a bank floor, you CHOOSE to turn it in or not. You get mad and have a weapon in your hand, YOU CHOOSE to use it or calm down. Dont blame anyone else for your concious choice to do right or wrong.

Not True..human beings have the inherent trait within them to seek out what is evil, rather than what is good from birth. Some are more genetically predisposed to certain types of evil than others, based on cultural/family history.

Why do you think massive races of people were completely destroyed by God throughout the centuries? Many societies had certain evil tendencies so greatly embeded in their social structures/genetics, that the only way to rid the evil was to completely wipe out the entire race of people..this included young children.

Please educate yourself in truth of Christ, and cease in continuing to spread this untruthful doctrine to others, seeing as how you will receive the greater punishment for leading others astray.

On the subject of being born evil: I don't believe anyone is born truly evil—though like the wise Omega said at the beginning of the thread, some people are born more aggressive than others. A lot of it is upbringing, from a very early age. Sociopaths, for example, almost seem as if they were born evil, when the problem actually originated in infancy.

all people are bad sometimes. everyone according to the bible is a sinner no matter what they do, or so it seems to me. im not a religious person, but i think all people should be aloud to believe what they want to believe. i dont think there is such a thing as being evil, just bad choices.

dont hate just love

You can't be born evil, however like Omega said a person can be born Agressive. Take cats for example, you are looking for a gentle cat, the first thing you would look at is the parents of the cat, if the parents of the cat are agrresive than the new born cat is agrresive too. Some people are being good just because of religion. Their afraid of hell, or their afraid of being judged by the god. However, what I think is that being evil or good is nothign to do with traits or being born with. A person's life makes a person either good or evil. If a person was forced by his parents to steal something over and over again, than that person would grow to be greedy, evil, and shoplift and steal for the rest of his life.

Originally posted by DreamingWarrior
OK, folks... wow i stepped into a hornet's nest.... to those christians out there: let folks believe what they will, and dont get a 'tude or dog out their beliefs. Christ didn't do that, He never told you to either. He said " they will know us by our LOVE" . Not by our hate, or arguments.

That's how I see it also...

Originally posted by DreamingWarrior
people make choices to become what they will become. you can choose to be evil, or good. Yeah, circumstances of life do throw hard crap at ya, but look at it like this: Out of the pain and torment you have felt, or the goodness and easy life you have had, what do YOU do with the knowledge you have garnered? DO YOU A: take the pain out on others, or B: Use it to help those hurting.
A: take your wealth and hold it over the poor's head, or B: get out there, do grants, donations, and help those in need.
YOU have a choice to be good or evil.In the end, you make that choice. You see that hot young thing, you choose whether or not to respect their space or rape them. You see a person getting mugged, you CHOOSE to call 911 and help them or not. You see $100 on a bank floor, you CHOOSE to turn it in or not. You get mad and have a weapon in your hand, YOU CHOOSE to use it or calm down.

Yep, all about choices....A PERSON MUST CHOSE AND NOT BLAME ANYONE OR ANYTHING ELSE WHAT HE/SHE DOES...

Originally posted by 2Tidus!
If a person was forced by his parents to steal something over and over again, than that person would grow to be greedy, evil, and shoplift and steal for the rest of his life.

Not necessarily true...It's about choices...everyone has a choice...everyone has that inner voice inside them...no matter what background you come from.....

I don't feel people are born good or evil...I think people are just "born"...but yes are simply more aggressive or maybe passive depending on your genetic make up and up bringing.

Than tell me, what makes a person make an evil choice?

Originally posted by leana marie
dont hate just love

Embrace the darkside, and it will give you power.
Deny it, and you will know only regrets..

Originally posted by 2Tidus!
Than tell me, what makes a person make an evil choice?

Originally posted by 2Tidus!
Than tell me, what makes a person make an evil choice?

Tell me what is an "evil" choice 😐