Are some people born evil?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Tell me what is an "evil" choice 😐

Sure it seems well and good, people given the right to choose, those who's kids are going to be born vegetables or with the mother's lives in danger don't have to go through miles of redtape..

But take a look at what it's done to our society. Our society is now a bunch of pompus assholes who believe they are God. They decide when something should live or die, they don't care what you think, what thier own friends or family think, or what even God thinks. Only thier own selfish desires.. They even are so sadistic as to think they're entitled to the tax money of people who don't want abortion to fund it so it stays on tax forms.. You only have yourselves toblame for giving them an inch which let them take a mile..

Ultimately, because of this, morality as a whole has declined. And that's why liberals cheered when Terry Shaivo starved to death. That's right, we have serial killers who get let out because it's wrong to give them a lethal injection, but an innocent woman had to starve to death, because some quack said she had brain deffieitcies, so that gave liberals the right to play God. Democracy dies with a roaring applause.

And wether it's liberals blurring the lines of right and wrong with thier selfish agendas or thier hair brain schemes.

Or conservatives massive paranoia sending our friends and family off to die and building new, exotic weapons to destroy someone a tottaly new way. The same hypocrisy comes up, none of you want life preservation, none of you are good, you're all filthy, sinful creatures. And you deserve all this hell you create for yourselves and so much more.

You try to tell me that you love life.
Then you find another way to kill life.

Dude...wasn't in fact keeping this Shiavo woman alive for 10+ years plying god....and anways...my question stands...what is "evil"......is it on you to decidee what is "evil"...

Originally posted by Darth Revan
What a load of bullshit. I tend to want to be "good" because I like doing that, not because I'm scared of hell or some insincere crap. I know plenty of other people who are the same way.

Good for you. But regardless of any of our intentions..the bottom line is that all of our deeds are considered "dirty rags" before God. According to his word, salvation can only be obtained through belief in Christ.

That's mean.

It may sound mean, but it is actually quite true. Really..read up on christian theology a bit.

People like you are the reason so many people hate Christians. Do keep your religion to yourself, please.

Actually I have every right to express my opinion as the next person in this forum..I answered the question from a "Christian" Philosophical perspective...just like many other posters have answered the question from other religious philosophical perspectives(Buddhist, Wiccan, Aetheist, etc..etc)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dude...wasn't in fact keeping this Shiavo woman alive for 10+ years plying god....and anways...my question stands...what is "evil"......is it on you to decidee what is "evil"...

I never said it was my place to decide if she lived or died.
But what gave you and your kind the right to starve her to death?

And yes, your kind. There's two kinds of people in this world, and when one of them is foolish enough to bring up these barbaric words and how they can "justify" it they'll get put in thier place too, but the mics your's. What gave you the right to starve any living creature to death? How could you not feel sympathy? Remourse? Question your party's actions?

Liberals don't need to believe in Gods or souls, they don't have one..

What liberal lightning....given there would be a god, and he wqanted her to live well then he would have made her to live naturally would he not?
She was fed and kept in a state that I wouldn't want my fiercest enemy in for many years.....now if I would give one shit aboot that women (and I really don't) I would feel good that she was able to die at last.

I didn't starve her to death...what gave her family the right to keep her uinnaturally alive?

First, I am not a Democrat......second, I didn't starve anyone to death....third I don't care if she died the most horrible death or not because I am selfish...as iss everyone else...but that's another topic.....and fourth why do you assume that starving to death for ten days is much wotrth than living in the most disgusting way for ten years.......I don't think it's my right to chose if she should live or not.....but neither is it youirs..it's just the decision of the family.

I agree......

Originally posted by DreamingWarrior
OK, folks... wow i stepped into a hornet's nest.... to those christians out there: let folks believe what they will, and dont get a 'tude or dog out their beliefs. Christ didn't do that, He never told you to either. He said " they will know us by our LOVE" . Not by our hate, or arguments.

Wasn't trying to dog out anyone's belief..just stating the truth. There is nothing wrong with that. Christ told the truth in all circumstances, even if people were offended by it.

And to the thread's idea.... hmmmm... born into sin yeah... necessarily born as we would see "evil" no. people make choices to become what they will become. you can choose to be evil, or good. Yeah, circumstances of life do throw hard crap at ya, but look at it like this: Out of the pain and torment you have felt, or the goodness and easy life you have had, what do YOU do with the knowledge you have garnered? DO YOU A: take the pain out on others, or B: Use it to help those hurting.
A: take your wealth and hold it over the poor's head, or B: get out there, do grants, donations, and help those in need.

You have the right to believe that..however, It really isn't the truth. Whether we want to believe it or not..we are all inherently evil. From the greatest to the least..man's heart is intent towards commiting evil.

YOU have a choice to be good or evil. Dont let Hell or Heaven or anyone sway that, make it for yourself. You can't get into heaven by "being good", and you may not necessarily end up in hell for "being evil". That stuff is beyond this topic, so folks really oughtta not even worry about it.

In the end, you make that choice. You see that hot young thing, you choose whether or not to respect their space or rape them. You see a person getting mugged, you CHOOSE to call 911 and help them or not. You see $100 on a bank floor, you CHOOSE to turn it in or not. You get mad and have a weapon in your hand, YOU CHOOSE to use it or calm down. Dont blame anyone else for your concious choice to do right or wrong.

The only real choice we have in this life is to except Christ as Savior. If we truly except Christ..then the by product of that will be the good works he produces through us.

Originally posted by Bardock42
third I don't care if she died the most horrible death or not because I am selfish...

as is everyone else...but that's another topic.....

and fourth why do you assume that starving to death for ten days is much wotrth than living in the most disgusting way for ten years.......

I don't think it's my right to chose if she should live or not.....but neither is it youirs..it's just the decision of the family.

There is nothing more to discuss. I've proven the evils of man, atleast on the left side of the field. My work is done here.. Enjoy your hell..

What's an evil choice? An evil choice is when someone picks a choice of Evil. You have a choice to kill an innocent person, or not to. If you pick to kill an innocent person, then you chose an evil choice.

What is Evil? Evil is something which is the opposite of peace. Something that destroys harmony. There's something that will destroy peace no matter what your opinion is. It's just a fact that it will destroy peace.

Yes...really.....I am cold......can't do anything aboot it.

Not really..the topic is are people "evil" ....not are they "selfish" ...quite a difference...and please don't call me left...I hate the left.....left is socialist-progressive-liberal .....I am capitalist-neutral-liberal.......

Maybe I have said enough..but now it's your turn to answer...so why do you think that death is the worse possibility for her?

Yes her family....her husband, her parents, her possible children....her "Family".......now I think it is really not my decision...but the government has to decide who ultimately has to decide...

I have to disagree...you cannot prove the evils of people if there is no definitiopn of evil...and you surely haven't given one ... or why it should be the definition. Humans are neither evil ir good....because there is no such thing as evil otr good...it's all relative....

Originally posted by 2Tidus!
What's an evil choice? An evil choice is when someone picks a choice of Evil. You have a choice to kill an innocent person, or not to. If you pick to kill an innocent person, then you chose an evil choice.

What is Evil? Evil is something which is the opposite of peace. Something that destroys harmony. There's something that will destroy peace no matter what your opinion is. It's just a fact that it will destroy peace.

Harmony...what is harmony......the truth is we don't know what evil is...we call what we don't like evil...but everyone dislikes other things....the Harmony you are talking aboot....what is it...is it the harmony of the US Government....or the Harmony of a tree in a Jungle...or the Harmony of a Middle East Dictatorshp......it'S not absolute...not clear.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Humans are neither evil ir good....because there is no such thing as evil otr good...it's all relative....

If you want to be an animal, go out in the woods and hunt elk or something. I'm sure you could survive for a couple of years..

Hell, even animals don't desire to ever kill as malicously as mankind does. I've never seen an animal purposely try to have a miscarriage, nor have I ever seen an animal kill other then they thought thier lives were endanger or inoder to eat.. Proving mankind is even worst then animals, and this is why I don't believe in God persay. Because God was foolish to create such a beast as man, unless maybe it was His doings to make us weak and petit so we couldn't be a liable threat to His universe. But then He could've just destroyed us and more or less done a cosmic abortion.

But then, He'd become almost a man Himself. (Notice I said almost..)

As you can see, evil is a force of will, it is beyond 4-dimensional thinking, evil persists and sorrounds us. And is constantly in conjuction with day to day life. There is no escape. And no-one, not even God, is safe from it's grasp..

We are no more than animals.....that'S all we are....and we have no possibility to "THINK" and to "seperate" good from evil since there is no good or evil.

I don't need to want to be one...it doesnt matter....I am....we are all....

So you think that killing is evil...you have any proof for that...why you think so...maybe it'S good......the only thing that could make you believe what is good and what evil is that god thinks what is good and what not......buteven then...why should god have the right to say what is good and what not.

Because God is above good and evil, God is forever, and onimpetance. Atleast that's my interputattion I don't know, ask that Christian guy, me and him have differant ideas of what God actually is. Personaly I believe God died on the cross along with any hopes of a peaceful afterlife. You nor I nor anybody else deserves that kindof retribution or glory. Call it Satanism. But somehow it makes more sense to me to have gargoyles and demons control what we do to make sure we don't **** up everything for the rest of the multiverse..

And what gives them the right? Cause they said so, and they're stronger then you. Argue with that..

Values are whatever we choose to pursue and whatever we desire. It means there is no such thing as good or evil, except what you think is good or evil. If you believe something is evil, that's just your own personal preference. It is not, and cannot be, a statement about reality. A person cannot be born evil...and making wrong choices usually do have consequences...

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Because God is above good and evil, God is forever, and onimpetance. Atleast that's my interputattion I don't know, ask that Christian guy, me and him have differant ideas of what God actually is. Personaly I believe God died on the cross along with any hopes of a peaceful afterlife. You nor I nor anybody else deserves that kindof retribution or glory. Call it Satanism. But somehow it makes more sense to me to have gargoyles and demons control what we do to make sure we don't **** up everything for the rest of the multiverse..

And what gives them the right? Cause they said so, and they're stronger then you. Argue with that..

Ok that'S your opinion..mine is there is no god...

And..who is stronger than me..I really don't think so....

Originally posted by Bardock42
And..who is stronger than me..I really don't think so....

Notice a pattern here, between us I am the lesser of two evils..

If you die, and it's how I say, you will never know a day of rest or peace. Which is a delightful omen.

If you die, and it's how you say, you are non-exsistant, your life was meningless and igsinificant anyway.

If both of us are wrong, atleast you're not right.

Funny how it always works against itself doesn't it? Learn to accept that we are more the flesh and blood and beings of energy, it would do you a world of good..

I guess we do...

Although I don't see why your predictment is good for me in any way......besides I don't get on what you base your believes on.....

If we both are wrong....it's sad that I am not right because my idea would be peace forever.....

Why should I accept something that is so unlikely...and what good would it do me....exactly...NOTHING

You have the right to believe that..however, It really isn't the truth. Whether we want to believe it or not..we are all inherently evil. From the greatest to the least..man's heart is intent towards commiting evil.

Stop stating your religious beliefs as if they're facts. It's incredibly foolish, tacky and juvenile and is what gives so many Christians such a bad name.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Good for you. But regardless of any of our intentions..the bottom line is that all of our deeds are considered "dirty rags" before God. According to his word, salvation can only be obtained through belief in Christ.

Well, I don't really want to worship anyone who thinks everything I do is worthless, hell or no hell.

It may sound mean, but it is actually quite true. Really..read up on christian theology a bit.

I know, and I have. It's still mean. Because killing people is one of those things that's just inherently bad, no matter what. Read up on something called The Ten Commandments. 😐

[/B]Actually I have every right to express my opinion as the next person in this forum..I answered the question from a "Christian" Philosophical perspective...just like many other posters have answered the question from other religious philosophical perspectives(Buddhist, Wiccan, Aetheist, etc..etc) [/B]

I don't mind that you're expressing yourself. What I mind is that you said this at the end of your post:

"Please educate yourself in truth of Christ, and cease in continuing to spread this untruthful doctrine to others, seeing as how you will receive the greater punishment for leading others astray."

Nobody else told anyone they were going to hell if they didn't convert.

You ask me what is Harmony? Harmony is when human kind lives in a society without killing each other, without trying to make each other's lives worst. That is the main point of harmony. ANYBODY, a killer, or an human on Earth, wouldn't like someone to make their life worst, or get killed.