Are some people born evil?

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Well, I don't really want to worship anyone who thinks everything I do is worthless, hell or no hell.

You'd rather worship a God that measures your worth based on the things you do? Personally, I'd prefer a God that values me regardless of the "good" or "bad" deeds I partake in throughout my life. I believe that kind of love is called "unconditional."

I know, and I have. It's still mean. Because killing people is one of those things that's just inherently bad, no matter what. Read up on something called The Ten Commandments. 😐

It may seem cruel by human standards, but taking a life away that is predisposed to commiting evil is actually one of the most merciful things a loving God could do.

Why God allows some evil to exist and why he takes other evil away is beyond me..but according to the scripture..everything good/bad is working towards a "good" purpose. If you believe in Christ, then you have faith in this principle.

I don't mind that you're expressing yourself. What I mind is that you said this at the end of your post:

"Please educate yourself in truth of Christ, and cease in continuing to spread this untruthful doctrine to others, seeing as how you will receive the greater punishment for leading others astray."
Nobody else told anyone they were going to hell if they didn't convert.

Never said he was going to hell. I am not God. And I do not have the ability to say who is/isn't going to hell/heaven..this includes myself.

What I did state, however, is that his doctrine was untruthful and that he will receive a greater punishment if he inadvertently leads others astray with this doctrine. You can call that opinion if you like, I call it truth. Regardless..We all still have the right to express what we believe in.

If anyone would like to get more information on Christian Theology please feel free to pm me.

Ohhhh, do we have an internet evangilist starting up here? Only time will tell, be sure to give him your credit card number and send money as well.

Dont think anyone is born evil. Evil is the side effect of someone's life, say like a bad childhood upbringing.

People do what is called evil for self gratification....ego problems.

or a result of bad company

Are some people born evil? Evil by who's standards? According to Christian fundamentalists? Muslim extremists? Atheists? Social conservatives? Social progressives? No a person cannot be born "evil" as the quality of a person is not defined by what they are, but by what they do - and what people do is interpretted in different ways by different people. Babies do very little other than eat, shit and cry, and annoying as that may be at times I don't consider it evil.

(On a side note ever notice how if you break down the word fundamentalist you get fund-a-mental-ist, couple that with tithing in evangelical churches... interesting coincidence)

fund-a-mental-ist

Or. you can get....fun....a mental, as oh wow...a mental person...and fun too.

Originally posted by Wild_7
Dont think anyone is born evil. Evil is the side effect of someone's life, say like a bad childhood upbringing.

Creed's band are known for being squeeky clean. They don't drink, do drugs, they're good old fashioned chor boys. The lead vocalist came from a broken home, his father was an absolute ***** who treated him like shit. But his faith in God insured things would get better, which they did for him. But not before years of hunger, pain, beatings, and hopelessness.

Greenday's band are drug abusing idiots neither. But they're fairly whiney and angst the members, and they have a perfectly good family. Infact the lead singer's father loved him very much and even as a child they sung together as an amatuer band. There was always bonding and positive moments. And look how he reapys his deaubts, byt making stupid shit songs like American Idiot.

Evil helps keep the ***** that is human beings inline..

i hate humans

Originally posted by leana marie
i hate humans

Yes people suck.

You'd rather worship a God that measures your worth based on the things you do? Personally, I'd prefer a God that values me regardless of the "good" or "bad" deeds I partake in throughout my life. I believe that kind of love is called "unconditional."

It may seem cruel by human standards, but taking a life away that is predisposed to commiting evil is actually one of the most merciful things a loving God could do.

The other thing is, the Bible doesn't even explain why half these groups are evil in the first place. If they were causing harm to people outside their society, I could almost understand where you were coming from, but I don't see how it's loving at all to wipe out an entire race of people otherwise.

Never said he was going to hell. I am not God. And I do not have the ability to say who is/isn't going to hell/heaven..this includes myself.

"...you will receive the greater punishment for leading others astray"

If that doesn't imply that he's going to hell, I don't know what does. Second time:

What I did state, however, is that his doctrine was untruthful and that he will receive a greater punishment if he inadvertently leads others astray with this doctrine. You can call that opinion if you like, I call it truth. Regardless..We all still have the right to express what we believe in.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Actually it's those who were raised perfectly fine who tend to be the most pompus and ungrateful. This isn't exactly a great example of good versus evil, but let's look at the band creed and green day.

Creed's band are known for being squeeky clean. They don't drink, do drugs, they're good old fashioned chor boys. The lead vocalist came from a broken home, his father was an absolute ***** who treated him like shit. But his faith in God insured things would get better, which they did for him. But not before years of hunger, pain, beatings, and hopelessness.

Greenday's band are drug abusing idiots neither. But they're fairly whiney and angst the members, and they have a perfectly good family. Infact the lead singer's father loved him very much and even as a child they sung together as an amatuer band. There was always bonding and positive moments. And look how he reapys his deaubts, byt making stupid shit songs like American Idiot.

Evil helps keep the ***** that is human beings inline..

1. Green Day were never whiny until their most recent album;
2. Even then they had a decent reason to whine about things (the state of the world, etc);
3. Billy Joe Armstrong has never sung a single negative thought about his father. He even wrote a song about how depressed he was when he died. That's the opposite of what you're saying;
4. Creed suck.

Furthermore, however much you hate Green Day, they are not evil by most people's standards, certainly not anyone who doesn't think Creed are evil. Even if Green Day's singer were ungrateful for his father's love, I wouldn't consider that quite "evil".

Originally posted by Darth Revan
No. I'd rather not worship anything at all.

Actually you are worshipping something..that being your own self centered beliefs. Whatever belief system/person you choose to submit your will to, that system/person becomes your "God."

And if god loves everyone, no matter what, why does he kill people he deems "evil"? That may be good for some people, but certainly not THEM.

Physical death is a punishment for all born of the flesh, and is the result of sin. If you are a believer in Christ, then you will understand that death to one's body does not mean death to the "spirit." Those who believe in him will be saved from "spiritual" death, and live with Christ forever being "heirs" to his kingdom.

It's cruel. Period. He said so himself—killing is bad.

The one who gives all life is the only one who has the right to take it away.

A truly cruel God would forever subject man to a sin filled world. Fortunately we have a loving God, who gives us a choice between this limited life and his perfect unlimited kingdom.

Physical death is not the end of one's life. Spiritual death is. We only have a limited amount of time in this physical world, so we definately need to make the best of it. After one dies, there is no way to change the choices we have made in life.

And the other thing is, if you actually read the passages where god commands various people to kill various other people, they also sometimes include commands to rape all the virgins, loot their houses, etc. That, I hope we can agree, is unquestionably cruel and pointless, and goes totally against what the Bible says elsewhere.

Those are completely untruthful statements. At no point in the Bible does God in anyway justify any type of immoral/deviant behavior.

The other thing is, the Bible doesn't even explain why half these groups are evil in the first place. If they were causing harm to people outside their society, I could almost understand where you were coming from, but I don't see how it's loving at all to wipe out an entire race of people otherwise.

It's interesting how one can easily submit their will to the earthly authorities that govern them, and believe these authorities when told who their "friends" and "enemies" are, yet then have a problem when accepting the simple truth of God's word.

I don't have all the answers. I can't see into the future, and I can't look into men's hearts to discern their motivations and intentions. I am not God. But I do believe his word to be "truth." Just like you believe the words of the authorities that govern you to be "truth." Only one of our "Gods" is telling the truth, and someday we'll both be able to validate this.

You did. Twice now. First time:

"...you will receive the greater punishment for leading others astray"

If that doesn't imply that he's going to hell, I don't know what does. Second time:

And I will state it once more.

All who preach false doctrine will receive a greater punishment if they lead others astray.

Interpret that how you like. As I said before, I am not God, and I don't know who is or isn't going to Hell, however, I do know that with sin..their is consequence..some sin bringing on GREATER consequences than others.

I hate that people actually belief there is something called "evil"....that is eternal and everyone agrees on....seriouisly that is just some major Bullshit.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I hate that people actually belief there is something called "evil"....that is eternal and everyone agrees on....seriouisly that is just some major Bullshit.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
When did everyone agree on there being some amorphous eternal entity/force called "evil"? Evil is just a word. It's a concept created by humans. It's used by a person to describe acts thats they considers deplorable, and to describe those who commit said acts. There is no absolute and universal "evil".

Correct...therefore the idea that there could be people that are born evil is ludacris......there might be people who's actions will believe one to be "evil" but nothing more......

Those are completely untruthful statements. At no point in the Bible does God in anyway justify any type of immoral/deviant behavior.

Except murder and genocide. Not to mention for a punishment on a group of people he killed the first born children in Egypt or whatever, innocent children who had nothing to do with the sins of their parents that these children were being murdered for. Yep, sounds like a god I really want to worship, any god who murders children is okay in my book.

Originally posted by whobdamandog Actually you are worshipping something..that being your own self centered beliefs. Whatever belief system/person you choose to submit your will to, that system/person becomes your "God."

Physical death is a punishment for all born of the flesh, and is the result of sin. If you are a believer in Christ, then you will understand that death to one's body does not mean death to the "spirit." Those who believe in him will be saved from "spiritual" death, and live with Christ forever being "heirs" to his kingdom.

The one who gives all life is the only one who has the right to take it away.

A truly cruel God would forever subject man to a sin filled world. Fortunately we have a loving God, who gives us a choice between this limited life and his perfect unlimited kingdom.

Those are completely untruthful statements. At no point in the Bible does God in anyway justify any type of immoral/deviant behavior.

Numbers 31:17-18:
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Or, depending on which version of the Bible you're reading, it might go something like this:

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

("lying with" is Bible lingo for "having sex with"😉

You can also look up Deutoronomy 20:13-14 and Deutoronomy 2:31-35, but if I post two versions of both of them this post will be even more hideously long than it already is.

It's interesting how one can easily submit their will to the earthly authorities that govern them, and believe these authorities when told who their "friends" and "enemies" are, yet then have a problem when accepting the simple truth of God's word.

I don't have all the answers. I can't see into the future, and I can't look into men's hearts to discern their motivations and intentions. I am not God. But I do believe his word to be "truth." Just like you believe the words of the authorities that govern you to be "truth." Only one of our "Gods" is telling the truth, and someday we'll both be able to validate this.

Interpret that how you like. As I said before, I am not God, and I don't know who is or isn't going to Hell, however, I do know that with sin..their is consequence..some sin bringing on GREATER consequences than others.

Philosophically, I believe that human beings are inherently good, i.e. no one intentionally does the wrong thing. When one does something wrong it is because:

[list=a][*]He is confused as to what is the right thing to do.

[*]He does not believe that he has any other options.[/list]

From a psychological stand point, individuals who perform even the most incomprehensible acts, e.g. sociopaths who commit brutal serial murders, are not born but made.