Originally posted by jjoutlaw3
they thot the gods would make it "unbelieveable" and ppl wouldn't want to see that.
It's not even sure by a LONG shot that such battle actually happened, so the only thing they could do to make it believeable was to not make it at all. As soon as you make such a movie as they did, you stop making a believeable movie already
ok, all these people talking about how to get pictures off your dvd, how do yo u do it, I've been wanting to do it for ages!
Sorry, back on topic now!
Paris may have been considered a 'wuss' by the other testosterone fuelled males of his time, but I find it appalling that, in this day and age, people are actually calling him a wuss! When have you ever had to fight for your life? When have you ever thought you were going to die? Go through that and then judge him! 😠
Actually, yerss, what I think you might be failing to take into account there is the mentality of the 'average' movie goer, and by 'average' I am pretty sure you can find a four letter substitute.
What this means, is that the average goer has no understanding, or desire for understanding, of the historical context of any such film- they will not find it unbelievable on such grounds. But put Gods in and they will.
So intellectually, yes, you are right- but in MOVIEland... I think they have a point.
And aww... I am going to agree with Phoe...
(stands by her)
Well this is more of a believable battle. It could have actually happen. But if you put the Gods in the middle....well.
Phoe>Ppl call him a wuss because he didnt stand by his word. He didnt need to fight, he chose too. And then ran to his brother.
Same thing would happen in this day and age. You either fight or you dont, if you choose to fight and then run you are a cowered.
i really dont consider him a wuss. i mean, yes he did suggest the challenge but:
1) paris is supposed 2 b, what, 20 years old? (correct me if i'm wrong). normally training wouldnt start till ur 16. 4 years experience compared 2 the king of king's bro (cant spell is name) experience.
2) ur brain always thinks of survival above anything else. it sometimes automatically does something that u might not do. paris, while trying 2 fight 4 helen, thought of survival because he was getting the sh!t kicked out of him.
Originally posted by Kes
Well this is more of a believable battle. It could have actually happen. But if you put the Gods in the middle....well.
yes - this is what i was trying to say. see, some people might actually believe this is a true story if u take out all the parts involving gods. because things like that don't happen nowadays. so, in theory, u could make the movie "believable" (i did have it in quotes before, u'll notice) enough to capture the audience. that's really the whole point of moviemaking. to grab the audience. they don't really care about the facts. theyre not trying to educate people. theyre trying to make money. an u make money in the showbiz by entertaining people. an u entertain people by making movies "believable". meaning, u do not have people getting miraculously saved by the gods (that was how Paris was saved in the fight against Menelaus methinks).
an, in that time, paris would have been considered a wuss. he even admitted it! i mean, true, he is like 1000 times braver than me. i have to give him credit for going out there in the first place. but, he is incredubly foolhardy. i mean, u steal some guy's wife! does he honestly think that Menelaus won't go to his war-mongering, powerhungry brother agamemnon? and then what? WAR! i mean, come on. talk about thinking only of YOURSELF!!! an then he's cowering on the ground like a child. i mean, in that time, u fought and died like a man, or u were regarded with shame. an he's a PRINCE!!! he can't really be compared to us. we are modern day girls with no taste of the world. we live in big houses, have machines to do everything for us, spend most of our time in school, know nothing of swordplay or war or anything. well, most of us anyways. there are a few exceptions, a few brilliant, brave people. like the soldiers. they're exceptional people.
I thought the acting was all done very well.. but I gotta say im not a huge Biran Cox fan.. the yell he let out when his brother died was just strange.. it seemed almost like he was trying to hard in his little speaches.. but over all the acting was very good, all the technical movie stuff was done very well
Originally posted by Phoenix
I'm just saying that no-one here has a right to judge him, as they will never be in his place.
the reason why i called him a wuss was because he's always trying to sound so romantic like "im gonna fight for love" even if there was no real need for him to do it.
he already won helen's heart without fighting and it was clearly pointed out to him by hector that no matter who the victor in the fight will be, agamemnon would still wage war. yet despite all of these, he still wanted to fight. fight a battle he had no way of winning. what was the boy thinking?! i wouldn't call him brave, i would call him a hopeless romantic fool.
if i was in his place i would never challenge someone whom i know is a lot better than me. that was complete stupidity in his part. does he think he lives in a fairytale where love conquers all?
he sounded like a love-struck teenager. sweet,poetic, and romantic but hardly practical and very immature. i would even go as far as calling it pathetic.
i do not judge him as pathetic because he ran away from menalaus, but because he even considered fighting in the first place.
Paris was obligated to consider fighting because he was a Prince and, more importantly, Hector's brother, which is a heck of a lot to live up to. Given a totally free choice he would rather have not left the city walls at any point at all.
But actually, I am not sure where this idea that he must have been well trained just because he is a Trojan Prince came from. Certainly in the Iliad, one of the points is that the Trojans are an inferior warrior culuture, decadent and ill-prepared for war. I am not sure what the movie says about it.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Paris was obligated to consider fighting because he was a Prince and, more importantly, Hector's brother, which is a heck of a lot to live up to. Given a totally free choice he would rather have not left the city walls at any point at all.
i've never read the book before (iliad), but basing from the movie, it sure seemed as if paris WASN'T obliged to fight.