Originally posted by Ushgarak
Paris was obligated to consider fighting because he was a Prince and, more importantly, Hector's brother, which is a heck of a lot to live up to. Given a totally free choice he would rather have not left the city walls at any point at all.But actually, I am not sure where this idea that he must have been well trained just because he is a Trojan Prince came from. Certainly in the Iliad, one of the points is that the Trojans are an inferior warrior culuture, decadent and ill-prepared for war. I am not sure what the movie says about it.
in the movie they are very ill-prepared for war
Originally posted by jjoutlaw3
[...]we live in big houses, have machines to do everything for us, spend most of our time in school, know nothing of swordplay or war or anything. well, most of us anyways. there are a few exceptions, a few brilliant, brave people. like the soldiers. they're exceptional people.
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erm, 😮 sorry. i didnt mean that everyone lives in a big house. i kno most ppl don't. an paris prolly did. little error on my part. got kinda caught up in the moment, if u will.
ah, yes, paris the archer. he is able to accomplish the impossible. the murder of the greatest warrior the world has ever and will ever see. he shoots him with a bow from far away. brave paris. as his cousin screams "Nooooo!!!!!!!!" while trying to kiss Achilles, paris murders him. wonderful.
oh, yeah, i thot all the acting was great. the only one i found "iffy" was, if u can believe it, orli. i dunno y. something wasn't right.
Originally posted by jjoutlaw3
he is able to accomplish the impossible. the murder of the greatest warrior the world has ever and will ever see.
the first shot in the heel was when his back was turned on Paris, doing that is even below the lowest point a warrior can go
than achilles was stupid enough to run to paris who just had to hit that torso and done is done. If you could use a bow, those three in the chest were just impossible to miss 🙄
Ok, I just saw it....and basicly 😐
If I ever buy that movie, it would be when its on sale and only because you can see Brad's nakkid butt in it....thats it.
Sorry guys, but i didnt like it 🙁 Agamemnon was.....not as i would have immagined Agamemnon as, if that makes sense...and
Spoiler:😑
he died, and that was kinda....unexpected
the only good thing was Brad Pitt for me in that whole move...
Brad 😍
I wander if Hans Zimmer did the music for this film, it sounded very like him?
no he did not do it.. heres a list of what he has done and is doing soon
Composer - filmography
(In Production) (2000s) (1990s) (1980s)
Good Year, A (2005) (pre-production)
Over the Hedge (2005) (filming)
Kingdom of Heaven (2005) (filming)
Spanglish (2004) (filming)
Shark Tale (2004) (post-production)
King Arthur (2004) (post-production)
Thunderbirds (2004)
Tricks of the Trade: Making 'Matchstick Men' (2004) (V) (film scores)
Lion King 1½, The (2004) (V)
... aka Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata (2004) (V) (Europe: English title)
Journey to Safety: Making 'Tears of the Sun' (2003) (V)
Something's Gotta Give (2003)
Last Samurai, The (2003)
... aka Last Samurai: Bushidou, The (2003) (USA: poster title)
"Threat Matrix" (2003) TV Series (main title)
"Carnivàle" (2003) TV Series (from "The Thin Red Line"😉
Matchstick Men (2003)
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
Essence of Combat: Making 'Black Hawk Down', The (2003) (V)
Tears of the Sun (2003)
Thelma & Louise: The Last Journey (2003) (V)
Ring, The (2002)
Road (2002) (from "Rock, The (1996)"😉 (uncredited)
Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron (2002)
... aka Spirit (2002) (USA: promotional title)
Black Hawk Down (2001)
Riding in Cars with Boys (2001)
Invincible (2001/II)
... aka Unbesiegbar (2001) (Germany)
Breaking the Silence: The Making of 'Hannibal' (2001) (V)
Pearl Harbor (2001)
... aka Pearl Harbour (2001) (UK: promotional title)
"What About Joan" (2001) TV Series (theme)
Hannibal (2001)
Pledge, The (2001)
"Critic, The" (2000) TV Series (theme)
Everlasting Piece, An (2000)
Gladiator Games: The Roman Bloodsport (2000) (TV)
Hans Zimmer: Scoring Gladiator (2000) (V)
Mission: Impossible II (2000)
... aka M:I-2 (2000) (USA: DVD box title (promotional abbreviation))
... aka Mission: Impossible II (2000) (Germany)
Gladiator (2000)
Road to El Dorado, The (2000)
Motorrad-Cops: Hart am Limit, Die (2000) (TV) (theme)
"Candidato, El" (1999) TV Series
"Motorrad-Cops: Hart am Limit, Die" (1999) TV Series (theme)
Chill Factor (1999)
Dritte Reich - in Farbe, Das (1998) (TV)
... aka Third Reich, In Color, The (1998) (TV) (International: English title)
Thin Red Line, The (1998)
Prince of Egypt, The (1998)
Lion King II: Simba's Pride, The (1998) (V) (main theme)
Last Days, The (1998)
As Good As It Gets (1997)
Scream 2 (1997) (from "Broken Arrow (1996)"😉
Peacemaker, The (1997)
Smilla's Sense of Snow (1997)
... aka Fräulein Smillas Gespür für Schnee (1997) (Germany)
... aka Fröken Smillas känsla för snö (1997) (Sweden)
... aka Frøken Smillas fornemmelse for sne (1997) (Denmark)
... aka Smilla's Feeling for Snow (1997)
Preacher's Wife, The (1996)
Fan, The (1996)
Rock, The (1996) (two themes)
"High Incident" (1996) TV Series (theme)
Muppet Treasure Island (1996)
Broken Arrow (1996)
Whole Wide World, The (1996)
Two Deaths (1995)
Something to Talk About (1995)
... aka Grace Under Pressure (1995)
Nine Months (1995)
Beyond Rangoon (1995)
Crimson Tide (1995)
Drop Zone (1994)
Lion King, The (1994)
Renaissance Man (1994)
... aka Army Intelligence (1994)
... aka By the Book (1994)
Africa: The Serengeti (1994)
Monkey Trouble (1994) (additional music)
... aka Pet (1994)
I'll Do Anything (1994)
"Critic, The" (1994) TV Series (theme)
"Ryori no tetsujin" (1993) TV Series (from "Backdraft (1991)"😉
... aka "Iron Chef" (1993) (USA)
Younger and Younger (1993)
House of the Spirits, The (1993)
... aka Åndernes hus (1993) (Denmark)
... aka Casa dos Espíritos, A (1993) (Portugal)
... aka Geisterhaus, Das (1993) (Germany)
Cool Runnings (1993)
True Romance (1993)
Calendar Girl (1993)
Point of No Return (1993)
... aka Assassin, The (1993/I) (Australia) (Belgium: English title) (UK) (USA: video title)
Sniper (1993) (additional music)
"Space Rangers" (1993/I) TV Series
"Millennium: Tribal Wisdom and the Modern World" (1992) TV Series
Where Sleeping Dogs Lie (1992)
Toys (1992)
League of Their Own, A (1992)
Power of One, The (1992)
... aka Puissance de l'ange, La (1992) (France)
Radio Flyer (1992)
K2 (1992) (European version)
... aka K2: The Ultimate High (1992)
Regarding Henry (1991)
Backdraft (1991)
Thelma & Louise (1991)
White Fang (1991/I) (additional music)
To the Moon, Alice (1990) (TV) (as Hans Florian Zimmer)
Green Card (1990)
... aka Green Card (1990) (France)
Pacific Heights (1990)
Fools of Fortune (1990)
Twister (1990)
Chicago Joe and the Showgirl (1990)
Days of Thunder (1990)
Bird on a Wire (1990)
Diamond Skulls (1989)
... aka Dark Obsession (1991) (USA)
Driving Miss Daisy (1989)
Black Rain (1989)
Fruit Machine, The (1988)
... aka Wonderland (1988)
Spies Inc. (1988)
... aka Code Name: Chaos (1988)
... aka S.P.O.O.K.S. (1988)
... aka Spies, Lies and Alibis (1988)
Burning Secret (1988)
... aka Brennendes Geheimnis (1988) (West Germany)
Rain Man (1988)
"First Born" (1988) (mini) TV Series
Paperhouse (1988)
Nightmare at Noon (1988)
World Apart, A (1988)
Prisoner of Rio (1988)
... aka Wiezien Rio (1988) (Poland)
Taffin (1988)
Nature of the Beast, The (1988)
Comeback (1987) (TV)
Wind, The (1987) (V)
... aka Edge of Terror (1987) (V) (UK)
Terminal Exposure (1987)
... aka Double Exposure (1987)
Separate Vacations (1986)
Castaway (1986) (additional music)
Wild Horses (1985) (TV)
Insignificance (1985)
Histoire d'O: Chapitre 2 (1984)
... aka Histoire d'O: Numéro 2 (1984)
... aka Historia de O, II parte (1984) (Spain)
... aka Story of O, Part II (1984)
Eureka (1984) (additional music)
Success Is the Best Revenge (1984)
... aka Succès à tout prix, Le (1984) (France)
Moonlighting (1982)
... aka Schwarzarbeit (1982) (West Germany)
Originally posted by jjoutlaw3
ah, yes, paris the archer. he is able to accomplish the impossible. the murder of the greatest warrior the world has ever and will ever see. he shoots him with a bow from far away. brave paris. as his cousin screams "Nooooo!!!!!!!!" while trying to kiss Achilles, paris murders him. wonderful.
lol. of COURSE i am being sarcastic. i wanted to kill paris. nothing he did was wonderful. i hated him.
I too hated Paris - that wuss. But, it's a thing you can't change I guess.
I thought Hector and Achilles were awesome, and Odeyus (sp?) was brilliant. It was mainly down to the brilliant acting.
For me, the only weak point was Orlando Blooms character. He seemed to play Legolas (ain't his fault he was type-cast I know, but still) all too much, I was expecting him to start slaying a bunch of Orcs. Again, it's not his fault, because at certain points, particularly when he gets his arse handed to him by the kings brother, he made a good acting job.
All round, I loved the movie. It started out like it was gonna be pants, but once the ball started rolling, I was thoroughly enjoying the movie and it is definitely a fantastic story that for once, puts aside the crap about good vs evil and instead focuses on honour and value between men at war and revenge.
I dont like Orlando's actiong, period. I think hes totally the same, in all films 😑 and he kinda came accross and Legolas/Will Turner kinda guy...dunno why, he was just the same as everywhere else.
Maybe they cased him cos he cant act any other way, or maybe they cast him because hes on the hight of his popularity.
i agree with Red Superfly. the movie was awesome. an hector and achilles were amazing. i was soooo sad when achilles killed hector. i mena, i knew it was gonna happen, but still. like when i was reading about the history, they made the trojans seem like the bad guys, but it definetely wasn't that way at all. they were all just people. i thot that agamemnon and menelaus were kind of heartless. esp. agamemnon. i wasn't sad to see them die, though they weren't supposed to (or at least not right away). but yeah. i liked the way there weren't "good"guys and "bad" guys. cause, i mean, in a war, aren't we all the bad guys and the good guys at the same time? we're all human, all afraid, all going to die. we don't wanna kill people, but we do all the same.
This movie was pretty crappy, the messed up the original Homeric poem too much. I thought Brad Pitt was really annoying as Achilles, as said Orlando Bloom as Legolas II, but less brave. I thought Eric Bana was really good as Hector, and Andromache was also really good.
As I said, the messed up the great story to much. Menelaos wasn't supposed to die, he was supposed to take Helen home to Sparta.
Paris was supposed to die.
Aggamemnon wasn't supposed to die in Troy by the hands of Briseïs, but at Mycenae by the hands of his wife.
There are many more (big) differences , but I'm too lazy to put all of them down. On top of that, I know I missed some.
I read that in the original story/poem, the Troyans are said to be bad. That's not quite true. The Greeks were considered the heroes, yes. But the Troyans were not bad, look at King Priam and Hector. Both are noble characters.
I'll give this film 6/10, nothing more.
it's posted at the top of the forumsection you know ...