well, i was forced to read a really crappy version of the oddyssey. all the characters were made to look like vain, selfish pigs, and my english teacher tore the epic to shreds (not literally, lol) and disected every little thing. he would spend all class talking about how wonderful this guy odysseus was, how much everyone loved him, and blah blah blah for THREE MONTHS. it was TORTURE. well, for me at least. needless to say, i was sorta turned off from greek mythology. i still find it fasinating, but i'm planning on waiting a while before reading the iliad.
Originally posted by jjoutlaw3
well, i was forced to read a really crappy version of the oddyssey. all the characters were made to look like vain, selfish pigs, and my english teacher tore the epic to shreds (not literally, lol) and disected every little thing. he would spend all class talking about how wonderful this guy odysseus was, how much everyone loved him, and blah blah blah for THREE MONTHS. it was TORTURE. well, for me at least. needless to say, i was sorta turned off from greek mythology. i still find it fasinating, but i'm planning on waiting a while before reading the iliad.
if you plan on going to college take a greek history course or maybe just mythology if you more interested in that... i took an ancient studies corse about greek history and loved it... far better then what you will get in high school
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
👆 I agree, totally.Ush, i dont care! I thought it sucked, and personaly i was actually looking foward to seeing Cassandra. Aeneas wasnt the only one butchered, Agamemnon was way too butchered as well. Like I already said, i was expecting a brave warrior for Agamemnon, not a miserable, fat...whatever he was...annoying...and all the rest.
He didnt 'change' characters to tell the story his way, he changed the characters to make the movie aplaudable(sp) as someone said a while back. Overall, film sucked, battles sucked, 10 year war was made into 15 day war, almost 3 hours of shite. The Trojan horse thing was way to easy...Trojans didnt accept the horse that easy... Brad Pitt and Eric Bana battle was the best out of all in that movie.
To be honest, I liked Achilles, and I loved how brad Pitt plaed him, and I loved Hector and Priam, they all did such a great job...in fact, most actors did amazing job with what they were given to work with 👆
I read Illiad 3 years ago, yah. The film is called Troy, and you would think they would tell the story of.....torjan war, from what Homer, Vergil, Euripides...all them put together. But...no...was it 😐
Like Fire said, films wasnt that great overall
Maybe they should give it a shot at making Aenead, i wander if that will be butchered too.
Hes a director trying to make money off a movie. Who is interested in a historically accurate overview of the Trojan Waar. I doubt everyone. Few people have read the Iliad, and evenf ewer know what it means. The reason it was "butchered" or whatever, was to make it more interesting and compelling so it could rake up first place at 46.8 million in a single weekend. Quite frankly, some people with a lot of time on their hands may have read the Iliad, Seen the movie, adn thoguht it sucked beause they compared it to the Iliad. Boo Hoo. He amde the movie for the masses not the few.
i was told to come here for my post 🙁
ive read the liliad and many other works by greeks and studied ancient greek history and i still liked it as did every ancient studies professor as i talked to, for all the reasons we already explained u cant hate this based on history because tehre is no true histroy and it never claims to be true to any one person story,and the damn iliad ends with hectors funeral so stop comparing when it seems u dont know ur history that well
yeah, i agree. i thot it was an awesome movie. an, u kno, if they'd made it exactly following all the "facts" i think it would have been borning, not to mention confusing. that was one really good thing about this movie. it was not confusing at all. like, i read up on the trojan war before i say the movie, thinking it was going to be all confusing, but they did a great job of making it all understandable.
Hello guys!! I'm from Greece and Troy was really a disappointment for greek people.
I must say that I am a big fun of Orlando Bloom but this doesn't allow me to disregard this crime!!!
The movie is supposed that it recounts the history of siege and conquer of Troy by greeks in the means of 12th century B.C. But the director, destroyed our history and mythology:
1. Scenic–suits–arms: it is presented like a combination of uniforms,
weapons, martial techniques different from the populations of this season, in a old Egyptian surrounding.
2. Social and cultural structures: It presents a society where women participated in councils, the battles are watched, the gods are disputed, and in the palace of Agamemnona the dancers danced the belly dance.
3. Narration - Characters: Here they become the biggest mistakes:
a. Achilles is not one from most important warriors but a champion, with a very little appreciation for Agamemnona, and only offers his services as a gladiator. He is not killed before the conquest of Troy, but at the invasion of the Greeks in it, while he tries to save Vrisiida! He is presented as a machine that kills
b. Patroklos is Achilles’ cousin!
c. Myrmidones are not a population, but a small team of murderers – fellows of Achilles.
d. Agamemnon was not killed by his wife Klitaimnistra,and her lover Aigistos at his return (consequently Aishylos for free wrote the known astonishing trilogy “Oresteia”!) but at the conquest of Troy! His brother Menelaos, was killed by bad a development of his duel with the …Paris!
e. Nestor is not the wise king of Pylos, but a sneaking courtier of Agamemnona.
f. Priamos is also wise man and religious zealot!
All the above are only a small flavour of the immense stupidity that dominates in the film, which is moved in the line that engraved the television garbage of Hercules and Xena, in which the heroes all known and unknown are mixed up…
If you expect to learn greek history from this movie don’t…
Oh I was wondering
Spoiler:
how Achilles died cos I thought he was immortal.
Theb I found this.
Spoiler:When Achilles was born, his mother, the nymph Thetis had dipped him into the river Styx to confer immortality, but the spot where she held him, his heel, remained dry. Paris is said to have hit that one spot with his arrow, but only through the guidance of Apollo.
Shortly thereafter Achilles, too, was killed, wounded in the one spot where he was not immortal -- his heel.
So that's how it happened. Before it didn't make sense.
Originally posted by su.g.13
Hello guys!! I'm from Greece and Troy was really a disappointment for greek people.
I must say that I am a big fun of Orlando Bloom but this doesn't allow me to disregard this crime!!!The movie is supposed that it recounts the history of siege and conquer of Troy by greeks in the means of 12th century B.C. But the director, destroyed our history and mythology:
1. Scenic–suits–arms: it is presented like a combination of uniforms,
weapons, martial techniques different from the populations of this season, in a old Egyptian surrounding.
2. Social and cultural structures: It presents a society where women participated in councils, the battles are watched, the gods are disputed, and in the palace of Agamemnona the dancers danced the belly dance.
3. Narration - Characters: Here they become the biggest mistakes:
a. Achilles is not one from most important warriors but a champion, with a very little appreciation for Agamemnona, and only offers his services as a gladiator. He is not killed before the conquest of Troy, but at the invasion of the Greeks in it, while he tries to save Vrisiida! He is presented as a machine that kills
b. Patroklos is Achilles’ cousin!
c. Myrmidones are not a population, but a small team of murderers – fellows of Achilles.
d. Agamemnon was not killed by his wife Klitaimnistra,and her lover Aigistos at his return (consequently Aishylos for free wrote the known astonishing trilogy “Oresteia”!) but at the conquest of Troy! His brother Menelaos, was killed by bad a development of his duel with the …Paris!
e. Nestor is not the wise king of Pylos, but a sneaking courtier of Agamemnona.
f. Priamos is also wise man and religious zealot!
All the above are only a small flavour of the immense stupidity that dominates in the film, which is moved in the line that engraved the television garbage of Hercules and Xena, in which the heroes all known and unknown are mixed up…
If you expect to learn greek history from this movie don’t…
If you are trying to learn ANY history from a Hollywood film, THAT is immense stupidity. Films are entertainment, not education. This is a made up story, inspired by another made up story! That list is incredibly banal, and ridiculous.
And Lil, when you say 'I don't care' when the fallacies in your argument are pointed out, that says a lot for the untenable nature of your position.
Agamemnon is not even remotely butchered.
Well, that is your choice. Of course, that I have demonstrated the ridiculousness behind each of your points, and you don't seem bothered to answer them, will only make it clear to everyone else how silly your position is.
A position that keeps changing, of course. At first you said that they should have made it just like the Iliad. Then when a load of people say how silly that is, because of its limited timescale, after you display your ignorance of what is in the Iliad by quoting events that never happened in it, now you have changed your story to say 'why don't they make it like ALL the writers who ever wrote anything about Troy?'
Quite aside from the silliness of that view in the first place, seeing as each new writer took a different inspiration and interpretation, the fact is that while there is such a thing as Trojan mythology, like Arthurian mythology, it is very vague, and there is no such thing as a set original form. The Iliad is the central part of that myth. This film is inspired by the Iliad, based on that myth, and created its own story out of those characters and events- like ALL the writers in Greek and Roman times did. And why the heck SHOULD the film care about what other writers have said? Why can't they just pick and chose from the myth? That's all anyone else has ever done, when making stories out of just about any myth ever, including this one. That is how myths work.
You say if they are going to do it, they should do it right. Well, they DID do it right. They did their best to make an entertaining film out of a well-known piece of mythology (and to be frank, like it or not, it would have been worse if they had tried to cling to a lot of that stuff).
You don't like the story. That is of course your opinion. But to claim that they have made some form of storytelling travesty by not directly copying what you falsely perceive as an original is simply ludicrousness.
So there we have it. A new film, based on an old myth, that has as much right to claim accuracy as any other interpretation ever made- from Homer onwards. It only claims inspiration, not adaptation. Inspired it so is.
And that is pretty much the facts as they are. People who take issue for it butchering either history or Homer... simply don't know what they are talking about.