cable always had the techno organic virus to hold back his true powers. it was never written in the comics that x-man was more powerful, it was just a DUH.
Sinister didn't allow nate a normal birth of gene mixing. he M A N I P U L A T E D them so that the aftermath would be the most powerful outcome of the genes from mr. SCOTT SUMMERS and mrs. JEAN GREY.
Cables birth was a normal one, do you know anything about normal birthings? its a randomness you cannot fathom - the offspring can be retarted while parents are intelligent..its a play with genes that R A R E L Y ends with the BEST possibility for power.
Therefore, whoever claims that even with sinister tampering genes to make nate more powerfull - is SOMEHOW just as powerful as cable who had a NORMAL BIRTH OF RANDOM GENE OUTCOME. You are truly an idiot, you need to slam ur head on the floor and keep it there.
Nate didn't have the experience cable did when he fought cable. but still his powers were rampant on his ass. cables strategy?
To overload him so that cable could win? pathetic. it may WORK, it DOES NOT show that cable is more powerful. (smarter? maybe..however nate was very young whereas cable has been through a lot).
What i've stated are mere FACTS, while they are in no issue numbers. and thats where you hide, behind the mere complaint of "show me an issue number wuaaa" because you know it was never said because it was already known.
Why would they even have created x-man if cable had the same amount of powers? the balance was that cable had advanced weaponry and training and x-man had raw power.
Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
cable always had the techno organic virus to hold back his true powers. it was never written in the comics that x-man was more powerful, it was just a DUH.
Yes, you're right. While Nathan Summers was inhibited by the techno-organic virus, Nathan Grey was considered more powerful. But their over all potential for unfettered psionic power was always implied to be on par. ( Cable #29, 30, 31 ) Notice in the scan provided that the writer & creator of X-Man, Jeph Loeb, states that there are very few physical difference between them aside from the techno-organic virus? This goes back to " nurture vs. nature. " Both are genetically identical in EVERY WAY, aside from the techno-organic virus. This has been an ongoing theme and has yet to be OFFICIALLY retconned.
Sinister didn't allow nate a normal birth of gene mixing. he M A N I P U L A T E D them so that the aftermath would be the most powerful outcome of the genes from mr. SCOTT SUMMERS and mrs. JEAN GREY.
Your statement makes implications that X-Man was an overhauled bi-product of constant manipulations and drastic genetic tampering on AOA Sinister's part. That isn't exactly true. Sinister, as shown in X-Man Minus One, merely monitored the progress of the growing child whom was accelerated to grow faster than that of a normal child within an artificial womb. No where does it state that Nathan Grey is the result of years of genetic manipulations, alterations and overhauls that deviate from the matrix he was originally conceived from. No where does it state that the; " aftermath would be the most powerful outcome " through his own actions. Again, In X-Man Minus One, save for a few minor alterations, it never stated Sinister did anything to enhance Nathan Grey's psionic potential. If you believe contrary, give me an issue number and page number and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.
Cables birth was a normal one, do you know anything about normal birthings? its a randomness you cannot fathom - the offspring can be retarted while parents are intelligent..its a play with genes that R A R E L Y ends with the BEST possibility for power.
You're using biased statements from the The X-Man Homepage and not a reputable canon source. ( http://xman.comicbooks.net/ ) No where in the comics, that I have read, does it state that X-Man is the result of the " BEST " possible genetic material with the best possibility for power as a result of Sinister's genetic tampering, as you insinuate. If I am incorrect, please, give me a comic issue and page that it occurs on and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.
Therefore, whoever claims that even with sinister tampering genes to make nate more powerfull - is SOMEHOW just as powerful as cable who had a NORMAL BIRTH OF RANDOM GENE OUTCOME. You are truly an idiot, you need to slam ur head on the floor and keep it there.
I've only read a few instances in which X-Man and Cable's powers have been compared. Cable #29. In which Moira Mactaggert directly states that X-Man possess raw psionic potential compareable to that of the Dark Phoenix and that few, with the exception of Cable, have the capacity to harness and contain such energies. Also it's been proven in Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix #1-4, Cable #100-107, Soldier X #1-12, Cable & Deadpool#1- current, that Nathan has possess potential on par with those of X-Man.
Nate didn't have the experience cable did when he fought cable. but still his powers were rampant on his ass. cables strategy?To overload him so that cable could win? pathetic. it may WORK, it DOES NOT show that cable is more powerful. (smarter? maybe..however nate was very young whereas cable has been through a lot).
You're correct. At the time it did not prove Cable was more powerful, just smarter, more experienced and a better combatant. So if both had full potential to their powers and met in a fight, do you believe that Nate Grey would actually win? I doubt it. Nathan's experience is apparently more potent since he beat Nate Grey without his powers.
What i've stated are mere FACTS, while they are in no issue numbers. and thats where you hide, behind the mere complaint of "show me an issue number wuaaa" because you know it was never said because it was already known.
Facts? Why? Because you say so? I state the facts of what appears in the comics. That is what a TRUE fact is. What has occured in a comic. You've stated nothing but conjecture and total bias. I share your love of X-Man but not you fanboyism. Nothing you have stated makes much sense. Please, read a comic before you post. I hate slaughtering people like this..
Why would they even have created x-man if cable had the same amount of powers? the balance was that cable had advanced weaponry and training and x-man had raw power.
At the time it was to display the possibility of what Cable could have been. " Nurture versus Nature ". It was the reason AOA was created. To show another facet of what could have occured were it not for the events that happened in 616.
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( courtesy of Mr. Valentine, fellow Avenger. )
Originally posted by Priest
I just wish Surfer dident take cables powers away 🙁
Vary few Earth villains would challenge either Shaman Nate or Cable not hindered by the T.O.
Even with the handicap of running the risk of burning out, they do not have to push themeself to hard to end a match pre-maturely.
Big powerful Super Hero’s = Boring Super Hero’s.
Cable has unparrallelled Askani Martial Arts
completely w/o power he can levitate
step in and outside space and time {Cable 31 stepping in-between-the-moments}
and project a protective aura as stated by Domino In X-force 57, and seen in Cable when Belasco and Sym find out the hard way
Mentall Strength Cable is a Tougher than Trigon. something to do with overcoming excruciating pain of a virus encoded into your genetic code by Apocalypse which claws at your flesh every moment of every day from infancy to adulthood.
Technology:
techno-organic enhanced brain tissue
left eye interprets wavelengths accross the full width of the electro-magnetic spectrum: chronal particles, gamma, x-rays, infra red, Light.......
T-O left ear, arm
and the ability to speak to override & command technology.
Education
harvard Graduate
exhaustive knowledge of Science allows Cable to do so much more out of his power
Originally posted by don't shiv
Cable has unparrallelled Askani Martial Artscompletely w/o power he can levitate
step in and outside space and time {Cable 31 stepping in-between-the-moments}
and project a protective aura as stated by Domino In X-force 57, and seen in Cable when Belasco and Sym find out the hard wayMentall Strength Cable is a Tougher than Trigon. something to do with overcoming excruciating pain of a virus encoded into your genetic code by Apocalypse which claws at your flesh every moment of every day from infancy to adulthood.
Technology:
techno-organic enhanced brain tissue
left eye interprets wavelengths accross the full width of the electro-magnetic spectrum: chronal particles, gamma, x-rays, infra red, Light.......
T-O left ear, arm
and the ability to speak to override & command technology.Education
harvard Graduate
exhaustive knowledge of Science allows Cable to do so much more out of his power
you forgot buff LOL
Well importunely X-Man is know dead (some what).
There is no denying that Cable, beat X-Man in their first encounter.
But a rematch of Jesus Cable vs. Shaman X-Man would fair completely different (well IMO).
So lets begin Shaman X-Man vs. Jesus Cable.
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
In terms being in posession of raw power both Nathan ( Cable ) and Nate ( X-Man ) are neigh equals. Especially if both are allowed their maximum potential. [/B]
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
The main thing separating them is that Cable has more discipline of the mind and body not to mention the fact that he's more battle savvy. If anyone has read " Soldier X #7." Nathan alters an ordinary man's DNA and turns him into a mutant/bat creature. [/B]
Then their was, exchanging genetic material between the other Nate, merging each others power/knowledge. X-Man #70 page 6.
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
I mean if that isn't control over one's abilities then I don't know what is. It would take a lot of time for Nate to gain such control even when he was in his Shaman state. Which sucked. [/B]
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
Btw. Anyway the point I was trying to make is in terms of inherent power I doubt there's much difference between the two. Their over all performance will be determined by their battle experience and disciplines. That's how I see it anyway. [/B]
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
Fact: Cable and X-Man fought. Fact: Cable won the fight. Fact: Cable lives on and X-Man's body was dissapated and his energy was spread across the globe. He's not technically " dead ". Just displaced. 😉 [/B]
You cant say it was a completely fair fight. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t X-Man fight Exodus, just prior to fighting Cable 1on1?
Originally posted by nathan summersSo if both had full potential to their powers and met in a fight, do you believe that Nate Grey would actually win? I doubt it. Nathan's experience is apparently more potent since he beat Nate Grey without his powers.
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I do. As Shaman we do not know what level of experience and knowledge, when he merged with the other Nate.
But so far, I have seen more from Shaman in the TP/Psy departmen.
I will however admit, that Cable has shown much better TK control.
But that is not to say, X-Man is a slouch at TK.
X-Man #67
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That was in fact, the actions of an inexperienced Nate…using his TK to level down an entire Country.
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
P.S. No matter what anyone says -- Cable beat X-Man. 😖hifty:
First one Cable #30 - X-Man won.
Second one Cable #31 - After blowing up Cable safe house strong enough to withstand atomic bomb. After taking care of Exodus, and overpowering Blacksmith’s one time fail safe attack; In that vary same day you have Cable beating X-Man with a hint of DEM. (where was Cable getting a boost of power to hold his own? I have no clue it’s a plot hole, left unchecked.)
So its actually 1-1. With some PIS thrown in Cables victory. 🙄
