Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Were these reasons given on panel? 😕
lol, why the sudden interest in cable/nate gs? its already been proven that nate is superior to cable, but soe wont admit it just because of slight contradictions in one or two comics where writers stated cable as nate's brother/same being.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
2 words. BULL SHIT! that was just stated in one comic with an idiotic writer, logical and clear reasons have already been given why nate is superior and not the same as cable.
Actually, it was Jeph Loeb and Steve Skroce who started it all. Cable vol.2, issue #29-31. They stated that Nathan Summers and Nathan Grey possessed identical powers as well as an identical genetic templates & psionic signature. You do know who Jeph Loeb and Steve Skroce are, right? They're the creators of X-Man. Also in various other issues that both X-Man and Cable appeared in by various other writers this concept was reinforced.
X-Man vol.1 No.14 April 1996
Cable vol.1 No. 29 May 1996
Cable vol.1 No.30 April 1996
Cable vol. 1 No. 31 May 1996
" X-Man – Potentially the most powerful mutant on Earth, young Nate Grey is what Cable could have been in another time, on another world. Genetically identical to Cable, he posses all the same powers – but without the techno-organic virus to inhibit them. "
1.) This statement is from the start of the Cable comic called Blood Brothers which is 2 years after X-Man minus one. It's on the inside cover page when Marvel began using explanation pages to inform a reader of the back story. It's not up for conjecture or debate -- it states facts that have not be retconned as of yet.
Stryfe: “ How ironic we spring from the same genetic fountain. And you seem as divergent from the source material as I am. Some would say I was a clone. But they would be mistaken. I was twisted and sculpted from birth to let loose my hatred – to bring chaos to this pathetic world – and it is a purpose I relish. “
Stryfe: “ You possess immense psi-energies even beyond your comprehension, young one…but not mine. Soon those energies will be completely siphoned from you and channeled into me. “
Stryfe: “ You have that unmistakable psi-signature…you are also a child of Scott Summers. But you are not Cable. Like me, you are a perverse shade of my accursed foe. “
[ Cable vol.1 No. 63 January 1999. pp. 25 Blood Brother part 2 of 3. ]
Writer; Joe Casey / Pencils; Stephen Platt & Andy Smith / Editor in chief; Bob Harras
2.) I think this passage is pretty much self explanatory.
X-Man vol. 1 No. 46 January 1999
X-Man vol.1 No. 47 February 1999
They were also reinfoced by Fabian Nicieza in the current title during Cable & Deadpool #16-19. Read the comics! I'm tired of people always debating an issue and when I give proof they ignore it. I've given you issue numbers. If you have the comics...go LOOK at them. If not don't debate me. 😐 Prove me wrong with an issue or comic number. I have the entirety of Cable & X-Man comics. Don't be shy. I can admit when I'm wrong.
Stryfe: “ How ironic we spring from the same genetic fountain. And you seem as divergent from the source material as I am. Some would say I was a clone. But they would be mistaken. I was twisted and sculpted from birth to let loose my hatred – to bring chaos to this pathetic world – and it is a purpose I relish. “
Stryfe: “ You possess immense psi-energies even beyond your comprehension, young one…but not mine. Soon those energies will be completely siphoned from you and channeled into me. “
Stryfe: “ You have that unmistakable psi-signature…you are also a child of Scott Summers. But you are not Cable. Like me, you are a perverse shade of my accursed foe. “
[ Cable vol.1 No. 63 January 1999. pp. 25 Blood Brother part 2 of 3. ]
Writer; Joe Casey / Pencils; Stephen Platt & Andy Smith / Editor in chief; Bob Harras
erm doesnt that prove that nate is NOT the same as cable!
dont keep repeating stuff we know, ive told a million times why nate and cable are not the same and why nate is more powerful, if u dont wanna accept it then dont debate.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
Stryfe: “ How ironic we spring from the same genetic fountain. And you seem as divergent from the source material as I am. Some would say I was a clone. But they would be mistaken. I was twisted and sculpted from birth to let loose my hatred – to bring chaos to this pathetic world – and it is a purpose I relish. “
Stryfe: “ You possess immense psi-energies even beyond your comprehension, young one…but not mine. Soon those energies will be completely siphoned from you and channeled into me. “
Stryfe: “ You have that unmistakable psi-signature…you are also a child of Scott Summers. But you are not Cable. Like me, you are a perverse shade of my accursed foe. “
[ Cable vol.1 No. 63 January 1999. pp. 25 Blood Brother part 2 of 3. ]
Writer; Joe Casey / Pencils; Stephen Platt & Andy Smith / Editor in chief; Bob Harraserm doesnt that prove that nate is NOT the same as cable!
dont keep repeating stuff we know, ive told a million times why nate and cable are not the same and why nate is more powerful, if u dont wanna accept it then dont debate.
Genetically they are the same. When Stryfe spoke of them being " divergent " he was refering to the circumstances of their birth as well as their unique developments. The quote continued on to state he was a " perverse " shade of Cable. It merely reinforces the fact that Nate Grey, while genetically the same as Nathan is different because of the circumstances and experiences of his life. Read the comics.
If the writers have stated that the two are identical in their genes and powers, then that would seem to be more than Nathan Summers opinion.
I don't read Cable so I can't prove that what he quoted was wrong or right. But unless someone else can prove that the writers really didn't say that Nate and Cable are the same person with the same powers, then the issue would seem settled.
Originally posted by TheKahnPrecisely!!!
If the writers have stated that the two are identical in their genes and powers, then that would seem to be more than Nathan Summers opinion.
I don't read Cable so I can't prove that what he quoted was wrong or right. But unless someone else can prove that the writers really didn't say that Nate and Cable are the same person with the same powers, then the issue would seem settled.
the thing is, that those werent the ONLY writers who have handled cable and nate. nate was doing stuff in his uncontrolled teens which was impressing cable, he stopped time unintentionally in thebeginnin and when cable saw it he was shocked and in awe. nate and cable have very different physiques one is 5feat 10 inches{nate} while the other is 6 feat 8 inches{cable} cable looked SIMILAR to nate when he was young but not identical, specially not in the height department. also even their MUTANT POWERS ARE DIFFERENT, other that uber psionics {which both have even though nate has more than cable} cable also always has had superhuman class 10 strength in his body. nate does NOT have this. we can see quite easily why they are not the same person genetically, both the physique and even the powers are NOT same, and it known that cable was the normal offspring of scott and madeline while nate is the geentically tampered offspring of scott and jean, at best they can be called brothers, but they are not equal.
as far as their creation goes. it was stated in both the official bio and comics that nate was created by genetic material secretly taken by sinister from jean and scott after which he genetically manipulated it to get the most powerful gene set that he could get and also to build the FAILSAFE which would genetically kill nate after age 21{yea that WAS genetically put into nate's dna which proves that his dna was NOT untouched either way} after that he was artificially aged to reach adulthood.
cable on the other hand was the product of random gene combination of scott and madelyne prior. he was born naturally and aged naturally in the askani future. he is as different from nate as he is from his sister rachel gray. he is a product of chance genes, not genetic engineering and artificial birth.
Where in either a Cable or X-Man comic has it specifically stated, word for word, that Nathan Summers and Nathan Grey are in no way genetically identical in any fashion due to the instances you described. If you can't give me an issue number, date, volume number then I won't believe you. All you have to do is give me a valid issue number and I will concede to your " opinion. " Otherwise I have no faith in your comments. Please, back up your claims.
I have never denied that both Nathan and Nate differ in the manner in which they were concieved and experienced life. That part of your debate is null and void. You're not sharing any new information nor are you making any sense. Answer this.
In which comic issue of Cable or X-Man does it state that Nathan Grey and Nathan Summers are NOT genetically identical?
If you can't answer that you're merely stating your opinion, not a fact.
Originally posted by Marcus4600
Cable wins. He already did once before, and now he's more powerful than he was beforehand. Also, having Cable in an X-Men movie would be AMAZING! Cable vs Magneto. 1 word for that.eep.
cable never WON against nate. all he did was work nate up into such a fury that nate overloaded himself with his OWN power, without any assistance from cable, it was nates temper that got to him. if u read the comic ud know that.
Originally posted by nathan summers
Where in either a Cable or X-Man comic has it specifically stated, word for word, that Nathan Summers and Nathan Grey are in no way genetically identical in any fashion due to the instances you described. If you can't give me an issue number, date, volume number then I won't believe you. All you have to do is give me a valid issue number and I will concede to your " opinion. " Otherwise I have no faith in your comments. Please, back up your claims.I have never denied that both Nathan and Nate differ in the manner in which they were concieved and experienced life. That part of your debate is null and void. You're not sharing any new information nor are you making any sense. Answer this.
In which comic issue of Cable or X-Man does it state that Nathan Grey and Nathan Summers are NOT genetically identical?
If you can't answer that you're merely stating [b]your
opinion, not a fact. [/B]
lol, LISTEN to urself, thas no way to debate, its an extremely stubborn attitude. its comics, you dont find WORD FOR WORD answers to thing and if thats the kind of evidence u want than im afraid ur never gonna get it.the fact remains that IF they were genetically IDENTICAL they would have the EXACT same powers and the EXACT same physique, NEITHER of these is true. therefore they are not the same. and it has been stated many many many times that cable was naturally born with chance genes while nate was GENETICALLY ENGINEERED, n i have given you proof of that.
Well as far as the height differences go, it can either be the differences in their diets and general health as children (as both would affect their health), or the fact that Nate was forced grown in a test tube while Cable was alowed to grow up in a "relatively" normal manner, Marvle has just hasn't realized this difference and re-conned it, or just the fact that the art style has changed since both characters were created (Liefeld did create Cable after all)
Personally, I think the differences can be traced to the way Marvel has treated Cable through the years. His name, powers, and history have been reconned so many times it will make your head spin.
And finally from the www.uncannyxmen.net bio (page 2) of Cable there is this explanation:
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=64
[Note: The decision to make Cable the time-lost son of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor was only made a few years after Cable’s first appearance. Therefore, Cable was written with his psychokinesis severely depleted and his telepathy was entirely missing. Cable does not even comment on these non-existent powers or seem bothered by it – and how could he, as at that point in time, Marvel creators were planning to make him an aged version of the New Mutants‘ Cannonball.]
But as the change in the way he was drawn in the past, I think Marvel is trying to show him and Nate are the same person.
Originally posted by nathan summers
Where in either a Cable or X-Man comic has it specifically stated, word for word, that Nathan Summers and Nathan Grey are in no way genetically identical in any fashion due to the instances you described. If you can't give me an issue number, date, volume number then I won't believe you. All you have to do is give me a valid issue number and I will concede to your " opinion. " Otherwise I have no faith in your comments. Please, back up your claims.I have never denied that both Nathan and Nate differ in the manner in which they were concieved and experienced life. That part of your debate is null and void. You're not sharing any new information nor are you making any sense. Answer this.
In which comic issue of Cable or X-Man does it state that Nathan Grey and Nathan Summers are NOT genetically identical?
If you can't answer that you're merely stating [b]your
opinion, not a fact. [/B]
Who says that genetically identical people both exhibit the same strengths and powers........................