Originally posted by PeachBut the forums are under the Killermovies domain name... Therefor the people runnning the Killermovies domain name (which I assume is the people running the actual site) have the power to remove these forums from the website. Thereby allowing new forums to take their place.
killermovies.com and the KMC forums are in fact completely separate.
Originally posted by Peach
The forums are just under their domain, that's it.
I think he is right though that they could remove or replace the "killermovies.com/forums" subdomain. Which would make it hard or reasonably impossible to reach this forum, no? I don't know what sort of deal Raz has with the killermovies guy though, and this seems like a purely hypothetical information.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think he is right though that they could remove or replace the "killermovies.com/forums" subdomain. Which would make it hard or reasonably impossible to reach this forum, no? I don't know what sort of deal Raz has with the killermovies guy though, and this seems like a purely hypothetical information.
You are correct.
They are not separate sites.
They might be separate servers, though, which might be what Digi was saying. I could easily see that.
The Domain is registered and belongs to a certain person/group, though, and all subdomains are subject to that registrar.
It belongs to Raz and it is registered under Raz's name. There's not two different people or anything like that. It's all Raz's.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You are correct.They are not separate sites.
They might be separate servers, though, which might be what Digi was saying. I could easily see that.
The Domain is registered and belongs to a certain person/group, though, and all subdomains are subject to that registrar.
It belongs to Raz and it is registered under Raz's name. There's not two different people or anything like that. It's all Raz's.
No, that's not the case at all.
Raz does not own the main killermovies.com site. The forums are hosted under that domain, but the forums are on separate servers. The owner of the main site itself is Zed on here, if I remember correctly. But they are owned by two different people.
I could have sworn I suggested it before, but I don't see it.
Here's my suggestion on Mod positions:
Every single Mod position should be up for grabs, once a year. It should be voted on by the members.
We could run a tiered system where only local mods can be promoted to global mods, or something like that.
People should get to "run for Mod" and campaign the members. If enough members like them, then they will get elected.
The tiered system would be in place to ensure the KMC doesn't elect a crappy mod to a global position and then regret it. Of the pool of "local mods" would come the global mods, ensuring that the mod has at least one year of tenure before getting the opportunity to mod, globally.
This would eliminate the “inactive mod” syndrome that happens on boards. This also gives the community to actively participate in KMC by either voting for someone they feel best represents they type of person they would like moderating, or even being a mod. I have seen lots of complaints about modding and the reasons are varied: would this not remove most of those excuses?
If you do not think mods react fast enough to trolls, then run for mod.
If you think a mod is mean or unfair, run for mod or vote for someone else.
If you think a mod is too unfair, run for mod or vote for someone else.
If you think your current mod team is overtaxed at times, run for mod and vow to be active.
If you think a mod is too lenient on enforcing the rules, run for mod or vote for someone else.
I really like this idea and it promotes forum activity and fairness. Some current mods may not like this idea at all due to how many enemies they may have due to simply enforcing the rules and others will posit that it would be difficult to get Raz to make any modding changes, each year, after elections. Both points are valid, of course, but I see far more benefit to this than negatives.
Originally posted by Peach
No, that's not the case at all.Raz does not own the main killermovies.com site. The forums are hosted under that domain, but the forums are on separate servers. The owner of the main site itself is Zed on here, if I remember correctly. But they are owned by two different people.
The owner says it's Raz, registered to Raz's company, and has Raz's business address on the domain. (Meaning, Raz owns the domain and all sub-domains.)
The Hardware itself may be owned and operated by someone else, but the domain shows as owned by Raz.
Edit - Hardware is a different story, as I already listed in the post you replied to.
1. Being a moderator is not meant to be a popularity contest.
2. Asking to become one is pretty much a guarantee you never will.
3. All global mods were local mods long before becoming global.
4. Forums are not democracies 😛
The owner says it's Raz, registered to Raz's company, and has Raz's business address on the domain.The Hardware itself may be owned and operated by someone else, but the domain shows as owned by Raz.
Okay, that's great, but I wasn't talking about the domain. I was talking about the fact that the main site itself is completely separate from the forums and owned and ran by a different person.
Originally posted by Peach
1. Being a moderator is not meant to be a popularity contest.
It wouldn't be a complete popularity contest, though, and only global moderators would get picked after being local mods for a year.
Sure, there would be an element of popularity involved, but that is the case most of democratic elections.
Why would it matter how popular the person is, though? Sure, they have to enforce the rules still, but that doesn't mean one cannot still be a popular mod.
The fact that you've automatically relegated all of KMC to a community of immature posters that cannot think or judge for themselves is, frankly, rather insulting. There is an age requirement of over 13 and many members are over 18. I strongly contest the idea that it would be a complete popularity contest.
Originally posted by Peach
2. Asking to become one is pretty much a guarantee you never will.
So? Where does this even fit in with the discussion? Did someone ask to be a mod somewhere and I'm missing something?
And, with a system like the one I submitted, not only could someone ask to be a mod, they could ask their fellow posters to vote for them and put up good reasons for why they should be selected.
Originally posted by Peach
3. All global mods were local mods long before becoming global.
So you at least agree one point.
Originally posted by Peach
4. Forums are not democracies 😛
That's a rather sweeping and obviously incorrect statement.
Originally posted by Peach
Okay, that's great, but I wasn't talking about the domain. I was talking about the fact that the main site itself is completely separate from the forums and owned and ran by a different person.
Okay, that's great, but I wasn't talking about anything but the domain as that's the only thing that maters.
You're probably talking about the server hardware because the domain, which includes */forums, is not owned by someone else unless there is a legal contract between Raz and this individual granting him complete control and profits, of the */forum section.
For instance, if illegal materials are posted on the forums the authorities investigate, Zed will not be the one subpoenaed for access to the server information, it will be Raz.
Sure, there could be some sort of agreement between the two but if there isn't a clandestine contract on paper, Raz is actually the legal and responsible owner. What I orignally stated is correct: they are not separate sites. That's not how webpages work.
Originally posted by REXXXX
Just... no. It doesn't work that way. If it were a popularity contest, you'd get people in mod positions that would not do the job or abuse it. We were picked for a reason. Deal with it.
Did you assume that you'd automatically be booted?
Who's to say that most to all of the current mods would remain in their positions? I feel that many mods do just fine in their positions.
I've already addressed the notion of it being a pure popularity contest.
And, there would always be a provision of removing a local mod if they are found to be bad or abusing their position: what is a global mod for, right? 😄
Mods have handled each other just fine before this system, I don't see why that would even be relevant.
Well, let's just make it clear. Regardless of your views of it being insulting, we do not consider any system like you suggest to be a sensible or practical one of choosing mods.
It's irrelevant in any case as mods are chosen- and will only ever be chosen- one one basis only, and that is Raz's say so. It's his house; he chooses who runs it and on his own criteria on who he thinks is sensible and competent. It comes from his judgement, aided by those he asks. That's the kind of option on mods he wants, not any form of vote.
That closes the matter, so move on please.
Originally posted by PeachWhich is EVERYTHING... What servers they are on makes shit all difference to everyone but the staff.
The forums are just under their domain, that's it.
All I'm saying is that if we were to make the Killermovies forums actually work again... (as we currently have no administrator to make changes) we'd need to start a fresh... reset everything. new forums, new staff, everyone who wants to remain as a member having to reregister. The only thing that would stay the same would be the URL.
Without this happening this entire thread is pointless, we could all decide and agree but as Raz is MIA... and nothing is going to happen while he's not here.
Sure we can carry on as we are... Until Raz stops paying server costs... I'm just thinking long term here. Even if it means talking with the owner of the domain and resetting.
Granted he could come back, this isn't his first long absense but I just reckon that he might have outgrown us.