Originally posted by Beyonder
??? Yeah, and you think 'cause it's red and therefore oxidized AS YOU BELIEVE then Magnus can screw Kallark up?
Of course. If he has a mouth, I assume he uses it to talk. If he has arms, I assume he uses it to hold things. If he has eyes, I assume he uses it to see. None of those are illogical just because he's "beyond human". He's humanoid, and all those things are logical assumptions because he's humanoid. Likewise, countless observations have shown that lifeforms with red blood are red because of the presence of iron in them. When it's green or some other color, it's because there's no iron.
I'm not even sure why you're arguing that point...it's quite futile.
Thanos has bleed red blood, you saying Magneto can screw Thanos' blood as well?
Yes
Or Thor since he's bleed red blood as well?
Yes
How's about Beta Ray Bill?
Now you're getting it!
I guess anyone who's blood is red, Magneto can screw with huh?
Well done. You catch on quick.
Really? Then why didn't he do that with Apocalypse?
Someone didn't read Age of Apocalypse. If someone had, someone would know that that's PRECISELY what Magneto did to Apocalypse. And look...Poccy split in half!
Maybe his bouts with Thor?
He only fought Thor during the silver age. He was depowered at the time because of his age. He didn't develop enough power to do that until his two powerups (Erik the Red and Fatal Attraxctions). The most recent time he fought Thor was along with the Avengers. He grabbed Thor's hammer and hit him over the head with it. Hey, that works too!
I guess he killed Doom with that one didn't he?
They never had an extended battle.
Thanos, , Juggernaut, Tyrant, Magus, Adam Warlock, etc.
Holocaust,
Hulk
Stop doing my work for me and naming all these high level guys Mags owns! :laughs:
Seriously, Gladiator is cosmic level. Don't compare him a regular human - he's far above that.
hahahahaha...I could play your game and bring up how Gladiator and all his "cosmic level might" got owned by Cannonball of all people. And GAMBIT. GAMBIT knocked him out! Don't talk to me about Gladiator's supposed might when GAMBIT knocks him out.
He didn't become leader of the Shi'Ar empire's top squad for being a weakling.
Never said he was a weakling. Losing to Magneto is an honor.
Heck, I have doubts that Magnus can affect Holocaust or Hulk much less cosmic level guys like Kallark.
You must be doing this on purpose...you named two guys Magnus DID affect. Stop playin!
For him to do such a feat, he'd have to exert alot of his powers - it's not just a whim for he and anyone with a nervous system would go down. Furthermore, how do you even know Kallark's nerve system is like ours?
I agree that he'd have to exert himself somewhat to do that. That's probably why he doesn't do it all the time. And he doesn't need to do that all the time, either. Usually, there are lots of other options before that. I mean, why do telekinetics not always just stop their opponent's hearts? Because then the fight would be over and the opponent would be dead. And that wouldn't make for a particularly interesting comic battle, would it?
Nice to know he can affect regular joes. Now has he done this to mutants, high level superbeings like Black Bolt or Thing, cosmics like Quasar, Thor, or Hyperion? Just cause he's messed with regular humans, he's still yet to show he can mess with high level superbeings much less Gladiator.
You're missing the point - what just about all of these people have in common is the fact that they're all made of the same building blocks, and that's why doing the little things are just as effective. At the atomic level, there really IS no difference between the regular Joe and superbeings. And that's where Magneto shines.
And just so we're clear - he has messed with high level superbeings. And Gladiator would hardly be the most powerful opponent he's faced. He took down the Phoenix Entity.
Worse being what? Don't just say worse.
ok. His shield's have taken Thor pounding on it with his hammer, over and over.
And how many times has Magneto taken a punch from a Class 100 and brushed it off?
Hulk, Colossus, Apocalypse.
Gladiator is above Class 100 and moves faster than light.
Fat lot of good that did him against Cannonball WITH HIS MOST POWERFUL BLOW. :laughs:
*laughs* Worse being what again? Gladiator moves asteroids and smashed a small planet to pieces in three punch.
And couldn't break through Cannonball's shield....WITH HIS MOST POWERFUL BLOW (Gladiator's quote, not mine).
Yeah, because Polaris didn't know who he was fighting? In a straight up fight, Superman wouldn't get wrecked by Polaris.
wtf? How could Polaris NOT know who he was fighting. It's SUPERMAN. hahahha.
Originally posted by demigawdClass 70, according to Marvel Directory...plus I've never seen him behave like a Class 100. He got pummelled by Gladiator in the "Dark Phoenix" Saga, and did not behave very Class 100ish in "Secret Wars"...as he was down and out for the most part.
What do you mean he's not class 100? He's always been class 100.
He took a lot of shots from Mjolnir and it never penetrated his forcefield. Thor resorted to absorbing Magneto's EM Power into Mjolnir to neutralize the field. After Magneto's first powerup, that trick never worked again. They never fought after his second powerup.
And don't tell me that Gladiator can hit harder than Thor with Mjolnir. He can't.
Originally posted by Lord S
And what is the source of your information?Not trying to sound like a smartass, just genuinely curious where you read that Colossus was a Class 100, since he's nowhere to be found on Marvel's "Marvel Universe" section of their website.
The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe : X-Men 2004. Colossus is class 7 (exceeds 100 tons)
According to the Official Marvel Encyclopedia 2004, Colossus is level 6, and cannot exceed 100 tons. Gladiator is still stronger, at level 7, and lifts in excess of 100 tons. We are also overlooking his greater than light speed, "Super breath", and "Heat vision", (what a Superman bite-off.)
Marveldirectory.com is inaccurate, demi. It's a fan-site.