Originally posted by Beyonder
Oh, how you distort events. Cannonball was getting his butt kicked through most of the fight and was being toyed with.
HA, talk about distorting events. Cannonball wasn't getting he butt kicked. He countered everything Gladiator had. Gladiator wrapped Cannonball in an iron girder, Cannonball blasted out of it. Gladiator HIT Cannonball with an iron girder (if that's not trying to kill him, I don't know what is), Cannonball only "felt it in his teeth", but was otherwise unhurt. Gladiator stopped Cannonball from propelling, so Cannonball reversed course and sent Gladiator crashing into the ground. So if by "butt kicked" you mean, "Embarassed Gladiator", then yeah, I agree. 😆 😆
Gladiator wasn't even there to kill Cannonball.
Must be why he hit Cannonball with an iron girdle and tried to punch him into the sun. 🙄
And before he blocked Gladiator's punch, he was flinching in fear.
Because he was about to be punched into the sun before he realized that he could absorb Gladiator's punch, making it ineffective. And that's just what happened. What's your point?
All he did was surprise Kallark and landed his strongest punch. Gladiator is sent flying into a building. Then when Cannonball and the X-Men arrived, Gladiator easily busted out from the debris in perfect condition. He even called Cannonball a kid and didn't allow him to fellow the X-Men on their mission.
The part you're strategically leaving out, but which I'll be so kind to fill in, is that Gladiator hit Cannonball as hard as he could. It's not speculation, it's not from me looking at the pictures. It was because GLADIATOR HIMSELF said, "Impossible. Th...th...that was my strongest blow". Confidence drops, soon thereafter followed by Gladiator dropping.
How does Cannonball getting his butt whoop like a little wuss, then surprising Gladiator with one move, and landing his best shot at Gladiator and sending Glads flying into a construction site only to have Kallark come out with no damage an owning for Cannonball?
Hmm, that's a good point. That wouldn't be an owning for Cannonball. Luckily for Cannonball, that's not at all how it happened. How it actually happened WAS an owning for Cannonball. 😆
It only stopped when the X-Men arrived; otherwise if it'd continue, Gladiator would've beaten Cannonball's face in.
Or Cannonball would have continued blocking/absorbing Gladiator's attacks, making Gladiator's attacks less and less effective because his confidence is plummeting.
As for the Gambit bit, then let's play this game. Cause Wolverine beat Magneto as well did he not? Wolverine, the runt, punking Magneto.
Clear difference. If Wolverine singularly engaged Magneto and beat him, then you'd be right. Wolverine sneak attacked Magneto during a fight with ALL the X-men. Gambit took out Gladiator one on one. He didn't have any other help at all. Ditto with Cannonball.
So your saying he beat the Phoenix Entity? The Phoenix host and entity are two different beings.
I know that. The entity had taken over the host during the fight because Jean panicked. Magneto and the Phoenix fought on completely equal terms until Phoenix ran clear out of power. Does that mean that Magneto beat the same entity that stalemated Galactus? No. Does that mean that he Magneto matched the same person who fought and defeated cosmic entities during her time as host for the Phoenix? YES.
And affecting one that's developing her powers isn't the same as someone with experience of their powers.
It's psionic power - the same psionic power she's been wielding her entire life. She didn't lose because she was inexperienced. She lost because she tried to draw on more power and there wasn't anymore, causing her to exaust herself.
Ugh...almost done...I'm not doing this again...
Originally posted by Beyonder
...with his shield smashed? Of course he can do it with his shields operable.
yes, with his shield smashed. That's why I didn't name Thor. Magneto's armor is a metal mesh that he holds together with enough density to make it nearly as tough as Adamantium, and designed to absorb the impact of almost any blow. He also has a natural magnetic shield that he can't turn off. That's what enables him to take those shots, despite being a human.
You really think that was his most powerful blow?
Gladiator himself seemed to think so.
His most powerful blows broke a planet to pieces. If he was using his most powerful blow, then his intention would be to murder Cannonball if it connected.
*ding ding ding* By golly, I think he's got it!
If Gladiator says, "I'm going to punch you into the sun", he's not trying to tickle you into submission...
Did you read the book demigawd or just looked at the pictures? He wasn't there to kill Cannonball.
"It's going to be a lot hotter where you're going...the sun!"
"He means it!"
*later, after some trash talking by Cannonball*
"Impossible. Th...th..that was my most powerful blow!"
Not trying to kill him? I guess he figured Cannonball could survive a punch like that, huh? Or maybe the actual trip to the sun? 😆 😆
Yeah, 'cause Magneto knows all about Gladiator. And therefore would kick his butt with the iron blood or nervous system technique.
That's why I've been saying. Glad to see you finally got it.
I hope you didn't write more...
Aww man...just when I finished typing all those other replies, here's another one...
Originally posted by Lord S
Yes, technically he can.
ok, and technically Magneto can rip all the blood out of Thor's body. I suppose the reason he didn't is the same reason why Thor didn't hit Magneto with Celestial-destroying power. The writer chose not to.
No, he doesn't. We're talking hypotheticals here. You're the one who claimed that Magneto, while behind his forcefield, wouldn't flinch, and I showed you an example of how he would MORE than flinch. He would be eradicated.
But he wasn't eradicated. His shield never actually failed. Magneto was worried that it would, but it never actually got to that point. So how many more blows it could take exactly it subject entirely to speculation. The point that I'm making is that if it could withstand several blows from Thor with his hammer, it's not unreasonable to assume that he could withstand at least as many blows from Gladiator's bare hands. And I think you can agree with that.
Fair enough, but not if Thor hit him as hard as he hit that Celestial. If Magneto were attempting to throw the Earth's axis off kilter, you can bet that Thor would hit him, and hit him hard.
Perhaps, and if Warrior's Madness Thor were there specifically to kill Magneto, Magneto would pull every instant-death technique in the book. Given that Thor is humanoid and doesn't have matter manipulation abilities or regen to counteract it, there's no reason why it wouldn't work. I think the point we're both making is that in every battle, most superbeings hold back somewhat, for varying reasons. Magneto has said during the Zaladane storyline that if he ever cut loose, he'd damage the entire planet. So he doesn't cut loose, either.
Again, if the situation ever arose, he wouldn't hesitate to do so.
He's been killed before. If being faced with your own death and the destruction of your realm isn't reason enough to cut loose, I don't know what is. Where was his celestial-destroying blow then?
Well aren't we making a demi-god out of Magneto...that IS laughable!
??? He did specifically what I said he did during the Fatal Attractions storyline. *I* didn't write it. So if by "we're making a demi-god out of Magneto" you mean Marvel, then yeah, I agree. Take it up with them.
Ok, if he deflects it back, you really believe Glads won't be able to dodge it?
Gladiator doesn't use his superspeed all the time - otherwise he'd never get hit. Thor doesn't punch at the speed of light, neither does Hulk. It didn't stop either of them from landing a punch on Gladiator. Glad's eyebeams DO travel at the speed of light. So he could most certainly be hit by his own beams, especially if he doesn't see it coming.
Hasn't Cyclops been able to penetrate his vaunted forcefield?
No. It's never actually happened. The only times Cyclops has ever hit Magneto was when his forcefield wasn't up.
Your follow up question should probably be, "Well, why doesn't Magneto have his field up all the time?". Because he'd be unbeatable, I guess. That's comicbook logic. If villains did all they could do all the time, they'd never lose.
Where was his personal field when Thor picked him up and tossed him?
Thor absorbed it. Two powerups ago.
What about when Wolverine was able to cut him up in "Fatal Attractions"? He was injured before he pretty much ripped Wolvie apart.
He was being psychically attacked at the same time by the combined power of Xavier and Jean. Being mentally assaulted by the two most powerful telepaths in the world can have a negative effect on your concentration. Speaking of which, he sure did better against Xavier and Jean than Gladiator did against Cassandra's mental assault.
You're assuming this battle that would take place on Earth (or any other planet), what about in the cold depths of space?
"Asteroid, meet Gladiator. Gladiator, asteroid."
Magneto is affect Gladiator's person directly - it doesn't matter where the fight takes place.
Gladiator can destroy Gambit quite easily. If what you say about Gambit is true (I think I know which issue you're referring to) then all fault goes to the ignorance and/or ineptitude of the writer.
Either way, it's canon and loss for Gladiator. I could blame bad writing on every showing I don't like. I'm not saying that Gladiator couldn't win a rematch, but whatever is endurance is, it was pushed beyond that limit by Gambit with a deck of cards.
So him forcefully pulling Wolverine's Adamantium from his body is not a sign of any ill will?
He did so because Wolverine tried to kill him. Even in that case, he was holding back. Remember the quote, "Still holding back, Mags? BIG MISTAKE". So your own example proves my point.
I think he has plenty of animosity toward the X-Men, especially Xavier...but he also has respect for them...just like Doom has for Reed and the FF. But eventually a time does come when he wants to triumph, and the X-Men have always been there to stop him, not because he cares about them, but because they know EXACTLY how to stop him.
They've rarely, if ever won in direct combat. It's usually been situations like, "Kitty messes up electronics, Magneto stops the fight and goes after her, then his plans are ruined and he leaves", or Xavier bails them out with some mental deus ex machina, like he sits back and joins powers with Jean to mentally assault Magneto which distracts him just long enough to get nailed. Magneto is vulnerable to mental attack, I admit. But Gladiator doesn't have any mental powers, so it's a moot point.
BTW, Gladiator IS in a category with the Silver Surfer...Colossus is a joke compared to Glad...and it's been proven.
Actually, it hasn't. The two of them fought a tightly contested battle that Colossus ended up losing. But he showed that he belonged on the same battlefield as Gladiator. He has more in common with Colossus because they're both bricks, beings whose sole means of offense is generated by their strength. Surfer is on another level because of the sheet breadth of power he has. Magneto couldn't stand up to that. But he can certainly stand up to any brick.
My hands are gonna fall off now....
Nice propaganda you're trying to spread with Gladiator and Gambit...I read the issue last night...(UXM275 I believe), and I didn't see Glads lose...not even close He was being mentally controlled by the bogus Xavier, and at the same time was busy tearing Deathbird apart (literally) and Gambit intervened by tossing three cards in his direction, and he absorbed them quite easily. Next scene you see Deathbird try to gouge his eyes or something, and Gambit comes from behind and kicks him in the shin (more like right behind the knee) causes him to drop a bit. Then he grabs Jubilee and slams her into Gambit, and picks up deathbird in a Gorilla press and slams her into both of them.
Yeah, Gambit sure beat Gladiator. 🙄
I'll retort the rest of your misguided illinformed crap a little later.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Talk about PROPAGANDA!
If you call THIS "absorbing them quite easily", then YEAH, I AGREE:
http://homepage.mac.com/jubei1/manga/gambit5.jpg
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
I'm *eagerly* awaiting your retort of the rest of my misguided illinformed crap....
Furthermore, it's UXM #276 (if you actually read it last night, you wouldn't have said, "UXM 275, I believe"😉, which I read JUST NOW, Gambit and Jubilee crashes in on Xavier and Gladiator, who is torturing Deathbird. Xavier takes out Jubilee easily, but can't control Gambit's mind because "his thoughts are like quicksilver". Gambit throws cards at Xavier, and Gladiator blocks it and DOES absorb it quite easily. Gambit takes note of this and continues the battle. Deathbird attacks Xavier, then Gladiator attacks Deathbird. Gambit comes inbetween them and rips off Gladiator's cape and throws it over Xavier's head, thinking a telepath can't control what he can't see (he was wrong). Gladiator knocks out Deathbird and throws her at Gambit and Jubilee, but they both DODGE her. It causes a wall to come down, Gambit and Jubilee escape and find Lila Cheney, which makes Dick very happy. then a bunch of Shi'ar troops come and start shooting at Gambit, who blocks them all (uber!) . Deathbird recovers and orders Lila to teleport them away leaving Gambit and Jubilee (who are pissed they were abandoned) to fight the troops AND Gladiator, who has finished tending to Xavier's wounds, on their own.
Gambit tells Jubilee to side a wide area dispursement of her fireworks to take care of the troops. Gladiator attacks Gambit, who remembers how Gladiator easily took a few cards earlier, and then proceeds to hit Gladiator with the WHOLE DECK (see image above), KNOCKING HIM THE F**K OUT. This alerts the rest of the X-men that something strange is going on, and the rest of them eventually arrive at the palace where a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with our debate takes place.
Gorilla press that slams her into both of them my ass...
Ok
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So I didn't bother to read the rest of the issue last night...my bad...I read it a long time ago, and stashed it away. I thought it was Uncanny 275, cause I have it as part of a trade...it was 276, again, my bad. Also, excuse my earlier abrasive tone...I was a little overexcited with my new found "evidence", but when I go home I will certainly re-examine that issue.
That doesn't suddenly make you right about Gladiator...you seem to think he's some pathetic weakling, but you're wrong. He has earned the respect of a lot of super-beings in the MU, including the Silver Surfer, and even recently, Thanos. Do either of them even know who Magneto is?
