Superman vs Gladiator.

SarKastic_OJ MatchesMalone: LOL....I did know Superman beat hulk.....IN THE CROSSOVER AMALGAM...which I totally ignored since people on the forum deemed this confrontation "unofficial". Post what you know not what you assume...I'm not leaving the tie out of this because it is the seemingly "official" battle between the two, no fan-voting whatsoever.

Secondly, I do "know" for a fact that Superman has won "more" battles and lost "less" battles than Gladiator..that I "guarantee" you..
By bringing up his defeat by Masterson Thor just shows how little the Marvel world cares little for Gladiator as even though he was jumped he was "defeated", beaten by twice as many enemies as superman...
Yeah those accusations of me using politics were unfounded and I smothered him with the fact that he used them in the Glad vs Hulk post.

You say Beyonder was complaining about past comic politics am I right?.....So that is saying that they exist, although they are biased as hell THEY-DO-EXIST, and some writers used politics in determining the winner or certain battles, so what would stop them from using comic politics in the Superman/Glad battle? Why was using comic polictics "so unruly" in this debate when you know that if this battle were to happen then dc wouldn't let their flagship character lose to this unpopular soldier...Dude, you can post anything you want in a Vs forum if it fits the bill, if it convinces me that this character will win then I can say anything in my favor, two people took my posts into consideration which means its not "against the rules"..What, is Not posting about comic politics an "unwritten law" in Vs forums??

I did use politics openly and plainly..so what? You are indeed confused, you think I "became enraged " because they accused me of using politics when i only showed Beyonder than although I did use politics in my posts to prove a point he did the same thing and appeared as a hypocrit for doing it, you're making stupid assumptions..lol..I was ok with using comic politics from the start I just rubbed the comic politics that Beyonder declared I was using back in his face just because he said I was wrong for using them..which i wasn't..once again don't "jump in" an argument in attempts to save someone else you just make his stupidity
contagious...

Any my last comment was to save this argument from any notorious: "Gladiator beat Silver Sufer, he can beat Superman too" or "Gladiator lifted a mountain, hes STRONGER THAN SUPERMAN" Because superman never fought those foes or attempted at these objects, I literally smothered him with die hard facts....

lol...fought Ego fearlessly....so what....I can fight a army fearlessly...doesn't mean I'm gonna win does it? beat up Quasar.... oooohhh someone whom superman never met in his entire life but fought enemies just as strong...knocked "The Thing" through five cars...whoooaaaa cool...-_-.....you're just listing the basic fan things, i can sit back and say Superman spinned earth around, moved the moon, knocked Lobo through five cars...that doesn't mean he can beat the Apocalypse or Onslaught now does it...Just because Glad did those things doesn't mean Superman can't do it too...

Rogue shattered 1000 windows by punching juggernaut in the face, so what?! that doesn't mean she can beat Superman now does it??? Until you prove he did something Superman cannot do all your points sound like a 14yr olds ode to his favorite caped hero...

I can name Superman's high points all day, as a matter of fact I can fill up this entire forum with "Enemies" superman defeated or "Powerful deeds" he demostrated, but this is Glad vs Superman so I reduced this to naming an opponent whom they both fought, The HULK!! Glad lost Superman tied...need I say more???

You say Glad is stronger than Wolvie yet wolvie beat lobo and lobo beat superman???LOL, WHY are you using the amalgam "unofficial" comics as your ammunition?? You're only looking more and more stupid...Like I said in the beginning of this post, I ignored "anything" from the amalgam because they were deemed "unofficial" here yet you use them to prove an invalid point....

What the hell is Beyonder's idiocy contagious...LOL...you guys keep using the "unofficial' amalgams in your post...

Keep bringing it up? Stop being such a retard, you're the one bringing up crossovers as if they hold a candle. This is what I wrote? Read it again, I guess you didn't get the sarcasm the first time:

Beyonder

Unlike MatchesMalone, cross-overs IMO shouldn't hold much weight in a argument. Most cross-over shows inconsistency of characters. In Marvel vs. DC, Wolverine beat Lobo and CUT Thanos WITH his BONE CLAWS. Heck, he was assisting Lobo in fighting Thanos, giving Thanos a harder time than Lobo did. If you wanna throw around Superman beat Hulk etc...

Well, Gladiator>Wolverine>Lobo=<Superman.

Or Bone claw > Odin's strongest blast or Tyrant's strongest blast 🙄

Or Aquaman + Whale > Namor

And don't even bring Marvel Vs. DC up as "unofficial" because they wouldn't have RECONNED it if it was unofficial. But they did.

And like I said, crossovers shouldn't hold much of a candle. JLA Vs. Avengers for example, Superman would get his ass kicked in by Thor. The guy has trouble with vampires and werewolves, weak against magic and you think he'd beat Thor who's power and being is solely magic and magically originated? Mjlornir would've knock Supes out cold. And Thor tried to wade through he vision? Yeah, Thor is THAT retarded! He could've absorbed that blast with Mjlornir like he does with most blast. Thor isn't stupid. Yet you want to count this fight as EVIDENCE? 😆 And again, when HAS Thor ever beaten Gladiator by himself? As for Gladiator being been beaten by Masterson Thor, well the comic book title was "The Avengers" not Gladiator. Marvel and writters do think highly of Gladiator, most books show him fighting competently and lose only do to PIS or CIS.

No we can't use Gladiator lifting a mountain as evidence, but Superman is the number one icon and the best superhero around we can use as evidence. 💃

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pity he couldn't do that on the hulk....................

you have to be in the (14-16) age range....

face it, you're a Gladiator fanboy in the end, anyone who uses "He fought so and so fearlessly" as evidence is clearly a fanboy..lol

you're almost "alone" in your gladiator beating Superman assumption..

For the record, I can post Superman doing the same thing, many more times...

...he couldn't do that 'cause Marvel made him job to the Hulk to prove a point. The same way DC makes everyone job to Superman even gods like Darkseid, whose the equivilent of Highfather, both above almost every new god.

Funny when your the one who doesn't know how thread fights work and act as if DC's permission is a determining factor in a fight. 🙄

I'm almost alone? Most posters here know little of Gladiator as of you, and I should take that into account? Not to mention you who think crossovers are solid evidence? Go read post from superherochet.net or comicbookresources.com to get an idea as to how thread fights work...'cause you obviously know little of it.

If you can post Superman doing more things, then do so.

Why do you keep saying Marvel made him job? The comic book wasn't fan-voted and existed in the marvel universe...It happened and its official, you can say the writers did him injustice but the bottom line is THEY DECIDED ON HIM LOSING!! The writers consented him being beaten(badly) by the hulk and that's all there is to it...So what he fought like an idiot, so what hulk came upon his weakness spontaneously, the Marvel writers are in charge of what they do with their comics so who are you to say they did it wrong just because "your" favorite character got his ass "smashed" into the ground.

At least when Superman loss he loss with dignity and took his opponent(Doomsday) down with him..Gladiator got his ass kicked from beginning to end by the hulk...Go ahead, say its biased, say its one-sided, but the fact is at the end of the day it happened in the actual Marvel world, no unofficial fan-voting, just a battle in which the Marvel writers got together and said "Hey lets make the hulk TRASH Gladiator"...LOL and you say they "care alot" for his character....child please.....

What's the use posting "what Superman can do", you know he never loses, you know he moves planets, you know he tied toe to toe with the hulk, someone who completely destroyed Gladiator...Never been outsmarted by two heroes and beaten into the ground unlike Gladiator...

In the end both fighters in a "official battle" had an all-out slugfest with the hulk, no circumstances , just toe to toe slugging and Superman faired WAY better..

You can say that they degraded Gladiator. They made him more weak. Not physically but when it comes to fighting smart. Marvel chosed to do so as by reading all the posts. So Gladiator is one step behind Superman. Whatever the politics involved, Marvel let it happend and made the Gladiator weaker or exposed that he wasnt the fighter that people thought he was.

P.S. Is Superman more popular than Batman??

....This would be an interesting battle. I think Gladiator takes this one. Pre-Crisis Supes is Jebus in a cape, and therefore irrelevent. anybody who manages to destroy an entire SOLAR SYSTEM with a SNEEZE, without destroying the planet you sneezed from is ridiculous. Post crisis Supes can't move whole planets. Gladiator can destroy planets with his fists on a bad day. His strength can't really be measured. He is almost as strong as he wants to be, until his confidence runs low, but against Supes, I don't see that happening. Classic Gladiator would rip a hole in Post-Crisis Supes. Not easily, but he would ultimatly win. Gladiator is almost a cosmic being.

Originally posted by Spiderninja008
....This would be an interesting battle. I think Gladiator takes this one. Pre-Crisis Supes is Jebus in a cape, and therefore irrelevent. anybody who manages to destroy an entire SOLAR SYSTEM with a SNEEZE, without destroying the planet you sneezed from is ridiculous. Post crisis Supes can't move whole planets. Gladiator can destroy planets with his fists on a bad day. His strength can't really be measured. He is almost as strong as he wants to be, until his confidence runs low, but against Supes, I don't see that happening. Classic Gladiator would rip a hole in Post-Crisis Supes. Not easily, but he would ultimatly win. Gladiator is almost a cosmic being.

post-crisis Supes can move a whole planet he moved war would and krypton

I say gladis the gladiator

SarKastic_OJ Why do you keep saying Marvel made him job? The comic book wasn't fan-voted and existed in the marvel universe...It happened and its official, you can say the writers did him injustice but the bottom line is THEY DECIDED ON HIM LOSING!! The writers consented him being beaten(badly) by the hulk and that's all there is to it...So what he fought like an idiot, so what hulk came upon his weakness spontaneously, the Marvel writers are in charge of what they do with their comics so who are you to say they did it wrong just because "your" favorite character got his ass "smashed" into the ground.

Translation: If Doomsday pulled knowledge of Kryptonite out of his ass and used Kryptonite on Superman to beat him, you'd be fine with that. 🤣 And if Superman fought like an idiot despite all other portrayals of him, you wouldn't mind. 🧑‍⚕️

At least when Superman loss he loss with dignity and took his opponent(Doomsday) down with him..Gladiator got his ass kicked from beginning to end by the hulk...Go ahead, say its biased, say its one-sided, but the fact is at the end of the day it happened in the actual Marvel world, no unofficial fan-voting, just a battle in which the Marvel writers got together and said "Hey lets make the hulk TRASH Gladiator"...LOL and you say they "care alot" for his character....child please.....

Dignity? You mean stupidity right? His opponent who can ressurect himself? And go ahead what? Weren't you the one who also defended Gladiator's lost to Hulk and agreed that Marvel was biased in a thread posted by Wynndar? You some kind of wise ass Flip-Flopper, boy?

What's the use posting "what Superman can do", you know he never loses, you know he moves planets, you know he tied toe to toe with the hulk, someone who completely destroyed Gladiator...Never been outsmarted by two heroes and beaten into the ground unlike Gladiator...

In the end both fighters in a "official battle" had an all-out slugfest with the hulk, no circumstances , just toe to toe slugging and Superman faired WAY better..

Tied against Hulk? What fight? When he was Pre-Crisis Superman? You ARE a newbie to fight threads aren't you? And I doubt you're talking Marvel Vs. DC 'cause you yourself said that's not what you're using. So now what's left? ...but Superman beat Thor aswell...! Please, stop bringing in your crossovers as if they mean much. Thor trying to wade through heat vision instead of absorbing it with Mjlornir - riiiight, that there sums up Thor, fighting like a brute without a brain. 😘 And again, when has Thor ever beat Gladiator by himself?

You have no arguments. Heck, aren't you the one to try and bring cartoon versions to argue in a debate? No wonder why Wynndar, JuggernautFan, Tron, or wrathofachilles hasn't posted in this thread. They've had enough of arguing with you in that Hulk Vs. Gladiator thread where you tried to use the X-Men cartoon as evidence to anything. And now crossovers, pleeeease...noob...go day to you. 😛

what is Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis??

Crisis on Inifinite Earth was a series where DC tried to weaken they're entire universe since every hero and villain were too powerful to be believable and relatable. It involved Anti-Monitor as the main villain. Before Crisis, Superman was able to do things like fly to the end of the universe within seconds, move planets with ease, and as mentioned sneeze an entire solar system out of existence. Pre-Crisis Darkseid was a badass, even Pre-Crisis Superman was afraid of him. From what I know, he mind controlled a billion Daxamites (Superman level beings) and fight two Kryptonians at the same time. This is the Darkseid that is said to kill pantheons of gods and absorbed their power. Post Crisis Darkseid has been tonned down so much that Superman is beating the hell out of him. Sad really since this is Kirby's creation that DC is allowing Supes to abuse.

Sarkastic, I can't believe you. Since my last post, you have made some ridiculous statements and you were somewhat insulting to Beyonder and myself. I could have picked apart your previous posts, but I did not. I decided to let you slide because your posts brought up nothing new and we would have gone in circles. However, Beyonder just brought up your comments in a Hulk vs. Gladiator thread. I decided to look it up to see what you stated exactly. In this thread, you adamantly argued that the Hulk vs. Gladiator fight was fixed so Marvel can save face. In that same thread you stated that the Amalgam crossover was official. You stated that Marvel and DC would not have put the crossover out if it was not official. Your statements in that thread completely contradict your statements in this thread. I don't even know where I stand with you, considering that you have split personalities. If you wanted to, you could take your statements from the different threads and start a debate with yourself. I believe I have found one consistent variable. In the Hulk vs. Gladiator thread, you stated that Superman is the #1 superhero. You appear to be a Superman fanboy. Its possible that you defended Gladiator against Hulk because you feared that people may think Hulk should be able to beat Superman if he can beat Gladiator. But, you throw away any points you brought up in that thread when Gladiator goes up against your boy.

Beyonder: Superman tied with the hulk in an "official" battle which was written by both the Marvel/DC writers, the fight ended in a draw as Superman used the hulk's bulky body to destroy Luthor's gamma cannon..you idgit....THIS was not fan-voted and was decided by both corrresponding companies...

You say if Doomsday pulled knowledge out his ass etc..etc..Once again we're dealing with "If", if Gladiator was more popular then he wouldn't have lost so easily to the hulk, If is a highly opinionated word and plagues debates more often than not, Let's not dribble on "what if's" but on "what did" happen,dc cares to much about Superman to make him "job" to Doomsday like Glad did to the hulk,my point is "IT DIDN'T HAPPEN", DC actually thinks of Superman in higher regards as you said yourself "They never let him lose" and when they do its at least with some sort of dignity or circumstances.You'll never see Superman get his ass handed to him like Gladiator did i'll tell you that 😛

Yes I defended Gladiator and why because I actually "thought" he could defeat the hulk up until I went back and viewed the comic..I actually faced that facts and although I "disagreed" with him losing like an idiot I had to comprehend the reality that "it happened", the writers "let it happen", there's no nothing I can really defend besides the fact that I disagreed about the manner in which he lost...You yourself need to put aside your fanboyism and face facts, Glad lost badly to the hulk, no circumstances involved..This aren't real people so you can't use points like "Oh, they made him fight like an idiot" or "The writers were saving face for the hulk" because really in the all these characters and their battles are influenced by the writers opinions, some are reasonable and some suck, you have to deal with them because once a comic happens (excluding that fanvoted amalgam crossover where Superman beat the hulk) it official, you're allowed to "argue" that the the writers method of decision was bullshit but that doesn't take the hulks win away...

The writers condoned Gladiator losing badly to the hulk and your little "That fight was Bullshit" opinion means absolutely, positively "nothing", excuses excuses, we can sit here and complain all day about the writers being biased but IN THE END they made the comic, it wasn't fan-voted, IT WAS OFFICIAL!!Face it.. Deal with it.....

Your points are fanboyish(Example: Gladiator fought fearlessly) lol......*wipes tear from eye" hilarious..

PS. Batman is not more popular than Superman in any respect, his movies may do better or he might even make better storylines in cartoons/comics, but their popularity is about 50/50...What gives Superman the edge is that he came "before" batman and he embodies that all-american, save the day-goodygood-type persona..Thus he's DC's flagship character, leader of JLA etc...Although Batmans a 10x's more complex/interesting character Superman covers more "heroic" ground, immense power, x-raw vision...the all around perfect hero whom was molded to "outdue" the competition..

Matches: I said I can argue that the fight was decided on pure bullshit alone BUT that still doesn't change the fact that the battle was "Official" AND before I posted about the Hulk/Superman battle being official I knew nothing of how the people on this board considered the amalgams "unofficial, I came into this particular thread ignoring the amalgams because I knew now that this board in general considered them "unofficial"..

You can't sit there and tell me that when the term "super-hero" comes to mind you don't think of Superman, if you say otherwise you're a liar.He's arguably the most popular and well-known(next to Batman)..
I proved two of your assumptions wrong in my last post and I don't feel like "retredding" the same waters and going back to bother with your "jumping in" again..

Me and Beyonder are going back and forth while "most" people are posting around our particular debate which is fine by me, then you come in through the side door with your own "wrong" highly-opinionated assumptions and don't know what you're talking about..If I insulted you...LOL..so what, don't jump in insulting me if you don't expect to be insulted back(da phuck outta here)..posting such things as me not knowing Superman beat the hulk in the amalgams in which i did but ignored because people view them as "unofficial" here. You also stated I got offended when Beyonder accused me of using politics, when I just laughed and showed him he used politics as well.Da phuck outta here

wow, thanks Beyonder for what Pre-Crisis and Post Crisis means. Holy moly, yeah they really made their Characters really God like.

I believe then that is why they came with Superman Prime so he can keep this toughness and not lose to anyone, well not anyone when it comes to a CrossOver.

SarKasticOJ, thanks for the popularity clarification! So Batman and Superman are equal.

I happend to agree with you on the Gladiator thing on him losing. It is official, regardless why or how it happend he got his ass handed to him. Marvel messed up the Gladiator. I think of it as a Pre-Crisis/Post Crisis event that they did to Gladiator. He was stronger and powerful but after his battle with the Hulk they made him weaker.

x danny x, I just want to make sure you are not misinformed. Gladiator has not had any Superman Pre-crisis/Post crisis done to him. He was not weaker or less powerful "after" his battle with Hulk. He was made weaker and less powerful specifically in the comic where he battled Hulk. Gladiator has the exact same powers and abilities that he had when he was first created.

Sarcastic, as usual, you make no friggen sense. I am not going to break down and debate what you have posted because your posts usually are pretty long and contain no new points. It looks like debating you would result in a great deal of time wasted going in circles. However, I would appreciate it if you took the time to answer a question of mine. Do you confirm or deny being a Superman fanboy?

i was lookin in the marvel directory and i was lookin at gladiators info

he seems pretty much exactly like superman

he is, he was created to mock superman.

they made him look like an absolute idoit, they gave him outraguos amounts of power, that is based on his self confidence. and in one of his 1st visits to eath he gets the shyte beaten out of him by hulk, just to show DC who is boss.