Originally posted by jrodslamYeahbuhwhat? 😕 OR has heat powers now?
Hehe. Has havok ever melted a person that was unable to reforming? I am inclined to agree with you if Havok went that far and kept at it due to Reds healing factor.Les not forget that Red could turn Havok into ashes as well if determined.
I'd say it's a quickdraw, and Havok's powers would probably be faster than Red's and would nullify the deathspores upon contact.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yeahbuhwhat? 😕 OR has heat powers now?I'd say it's a quickdraw, and Havok's powers would probably be faster than Red's and would nullify the deathspores upon contact.
Heat powers? No. I guess its the decay powers. When Red was revived and the Death Factor was used, he completely drained the life force and energies of the members(hand) who revived him. He melted/decayed their skill off their bodies and you see the skeletons start to decay and crumble. From the iamage, it did look like they were burning. the clothes were left on the ground however.
Havoks powers may be faster than Reds. But for Red to catch a bamfing Nightcrawler with the spores alone is pretty impressive.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
OR's badass. He kills most people without enhanced durability, some sort of superspeed, or a projectile/omnidirectional power pretty easily. I just don't see him being able to get Havok before Havok gets him.
Weeeellll. He could have easily killed Colossus, Ironman(had Strak been in the suit), Wolverine, Maverick, Sabertooth, Nightcrawler, Daredevil, Psylocke, Iceman, Beast...pretty much the entire X-Men. I do think that Havok takes him if theres an open environment and they are far away from each other. However, with no prep and IF its in a city environment and they are within sights range, i think Red can pull it off.
I guee we'll have to agree to disagree. Im off to take baby to doctors. Be back soon.😄
Originally posted by jrodslam
They have to be in range of each other. It goes both ways. I know Havok can charge his body with energy. Just as Red may be in trouble if Havok was in range, Havok may be in trouble if Red was in range.
Havok needs only 1 second to make a blast which knocked a The Eight Immortals out. And he even held the Xorn's blackhole effect. I'll say Havok's feats and powers are more than enough to overcome Omega.
Originally posted by Rewmac
Havok needs only 1 second to make a blast which knocked a The Eight Immortals out. And he even held the Xorn's blackhole effect. I'll say Havok's feats and powers are more than enough to overcome Omega.
Its true. Havok would only need 1 second to make a huge blast like he did to the Immortals. You have to think that if it were truly a battle, Havok would have been ko'd though. It also only takes 1 second for Omega Red to apply the phermones and make Havok to weak to even do a blast. His holding of the blackhole effect was impressive indeed, but its pretty obvious that Havok is going to have more feats and display of power than Omega Red. Doesnt meant he automatically wins though. He CAN win.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Its true. Havok would only need 1 second to make a huge blast like he did to the Immortals. You have to think that if it were truly a battle, Havok would have been ko'd though. It also only takes 1 second for Omega Red to apply the phermones and make Havok to weak to even do a blast. His holding of the blackhole effect was impressive indeed, but its pretty obvious that Havok is going to have more feats and display of power than Omega Red. Doesnt meant he automatically wins though. He CAN win.
Come on. We know Havok isn't that dumb to engage him hand-2-hand battle. If Omega appears from nothing he could blast himself into the air and be 20 miles away from him to get some prep. Then Omega is screwed. Alex is a smart one. He got the leadership, he got strategy and common sense. He lead X-Factor and now team leader in X-Men. I'm sure he knows enough about Omega Red to come up with the right tactics in 10 seconds. 😮💨
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I doubt it'd need to be 50 ft. Omniblast would destroy any deathspores released into the air... and the person releasing them.
Im glad you mentioned that
If havok was aware of the deathspores, and even if by chance he did an omniblast without knoweldge that spores were in the air, i dont see why it wouldnet just evaporate the spores anyway due to the nature of his omniblast
It seems like havok has a range advantage in this fight, he can do more from further away, and even if it got close, havok can still release omniblasts if he is in trouble
He has other options such as terrain damage
but um, tihs is a perty good fight
Originally posted by Rewmac
Come on. We know Havok isn't that dumb to engage him hand-2-hand battle. If Omega appears from nothing he could blast himself into the air and be 20 miles away from him to get some prep. Then Omega is screwed. Alex is a smart one. He got the leadership, he got strategy and common sense. He lead X-Factor and now team leader in X-Men. I'm sure he knows enough about Omega Red to come up with the right tactics in 10 seconds. 😮💨
🤨 Havok wouldnt be dumb enough to engage him in h2h? That may very well be Havoks first option depending on how close they are to each other. He doesnt know Reds skills or abilities. Red is an honaorable fighter and probably wouldnt use his skills or abilities at first anyway. Possibly. Im not sure how were calling this fight. Havok isnt known for blasting himself in the air to get away to gain some sort of prep on his opponent. Wouldnt that be battlefield removal on himslef and counted as a forefit? I doubt Havok knows anything about Red. Im almost 100% sure of that. And he sure as hell isnt gonna figure out omniblast in 10 seconds. By that time, hed be dead.✅
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
If havok was aware of the deathspores, and even if by chance he did an omniblast without knoweldge that spores were in the air, i dont see why it wouldnet just evaporate the spores anyway due to the nature of his omniblastIt seems like havok has a range advantage in this fight, he can do more from further away, and even if it got close, havok can still release omniblasts if he is in trouble
He has other options such as terrain damage
but um, tihs is a perty good fight
As per the Logan Files, it was mentioned that the Phermones were flammable. If Havok did that do you think he would be immune to burning up by the flames even if hes the one that caused it?
True Havok does have the range advantage here, but if he gets in close i think hes done for. Phermones move and act quickly and if hes grabbed by the tentacles and the Death Factor is applied as well, hes a gonner imo. I dont think an omniblast would get him outta that. Hell, i dont even think hed get the omniblast off. Your right though, it is a good fight.
Originally posted by jrodslam
As per the Logan Files, it was mentioned that the Phermones were flammable. If Havok did that do you think he would be immune to burning up by the flames even if hes the one that caused it?True Havok does have the range advantage here, but if he gets in close i think hes done for. Phermones move and act quickly and if hes grabbed by the tentacles and the Death Factor is applied as well, hes a gonner imo. I dont think an omniblast would get him outta that. Hell, i dont even think hed get the omniblast off. Your right though, it is a good fight.
he should still be succeptable to the explosion caused by the phermones, i think, if he blew them up. Similar to if he caused a gas station to explode, etc. But thats without considering how close he is to it
but i think havok is doomed if he gets too close, perhaps, omega red has all the physical advantages in this fight if im not mistaken
is logan files the one with omega red and wolverine and that random guy on the cover? or is that orgins
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
he should still be succeptable to the explosion caused by the phermones, i think, if he blew them up. Similar to if he caused a gas station to explode, etc. But thats without considering how close he is to it
True.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
but i think havok is doomed if he gets too close, perhaps, omega red has all the physical advantages in this fight if im not mistaken
is logan files the one with omega red and wolverine and that random guy on the cover? or is that orgins
Logan files are Wolverrne v1 #173-175. On the cover of #173, Wolvie is by himself with arrows in his back and his pants and shirt torn. Cover of 174 has just his face on tghe cover and 175 cover has him alone with no shirt.
Originally posted by jrodslamYou clearly haven't read the Polaris fight. He was protecting Annie and Carter, he launched himself into the air. And he knows Omega Red. During the X-Men years you learn the foes of one and the other (possibility). 10 seconds is more than enough (based on his powers) to get his preps. Haovk won't engage him in hand-2-hand, why would he??? His powers aren't physical based. First thing he'd do is a huge blast against Omega Red. For sure. And if he doesn't launch himself up (meaning he isn't feeling it that dangerous or isn't protecting someone) the blasts sideffects on Omega give Alex the time he needs to charge an all out blast. Since we are using characters here on KMC as their best.
🤨 Havok wouldnt be dumb enough to engage him in h2h? That may very well be Havoks first option depending on how close they are to each other. He doesnt know Reds skills or abilities. Red is an honaorable fighter and probably wouldnt use his skills or abilities at first anyway. Possibly. Im not sure how were calling this fight. Havok isnt known for blasting himself in the air to get away to gain some sort of prep on his opponent. Wouldnt that be battlefield removal on himslef and counted as a forefit? I doubt Havok knows anything about Red. Im almost 100% sure of that. And he sure as hell isnt gonna figure out omniblast in 10 seconds. By that time, hed be dead.✅
Originally posted by Rewmac
You clearly haven't read the Polaris fight. He was protecting Annie and Carter, he launched himself into the air. And he knows Omega Red. During the X-Men years you learn the foes of one and the other (possibility). 10 seconds is more than enough (based on his powers) to get his preps. Haovk won't engage him in hand-2-hand, why would he??? His powers aren't physical based. First thing he'd do is a huge blast against Omega Red. For sure. And if he doesn't launch himself up (meaning he isn't feeling it that dangerous or isn't protecting someone) the blasts sideffects on Omega give Alex the time he needs to charge an all out blast. Since we are using characters here on KMC as their best.
Ohh i read the fight if you wanna call it that. Like i stated in my quoted post. He rarely flies. Hes done it what, about 3 times in about 35 years? Its not a likely tactic for him in battle is what im saying. And if he did fly away to get prep, he loses via battlefield removal of himself. I highly doubt Havok read the files on Omega Red. Especially considering hes a Wolvie villain mainly and not considered an X-Men threat. If they dont engage in h2h first, Havok would shoot regular blasts in the beginning. Not some huge blast like you think.