Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Last I recall he's immune to heat radiation, considering he can surround himself in plasma.
And melt nearly everything. So yes he is immune to heat radiation.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666Yes. That Juggernaut version's durability is above Omega Red's. But current Juggernaut got beaten by the Wrecking Crew.
Havok has one shoted current Juggernaut I think his durabilty is above Omega Red's
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Havok has one shoted current Juggernaut I think his durabilty is above Omega Red's
When was this? Are you talking about X-Men 162? The Juggernaut whos depowered severly? The Juggernaut who had claw marks in his helmet from sabertooth?
You thats what youre talkign about, it isnt saying much considering it was a cheapshot from behind. Naturally Juggs may be more durable, but Red is highly durable as well plus he has a high healing factor.
Originally posted by jrodslam
When was this? Are you talking about X-Men 162? The Juggernaut whos depowered severly? The Juggernaut who had claw marks in his helmet from sabertooth?You thats what youre talkign about, it isnt saying much considering it was a cheapshot from behind. Naturally Juggs may be more durable, but Red is highly durable as well plus he has a high healing factor.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Last I recall he's immune to heat radiation, considering he can surround himself in plasma.
Last i saw, he wasnt. Pyro once surrounded him in flames and he couldnt get out. He was even sweating and coughing from the smoke and was almost out till he and Polaris worked something out together.
Originally posted by jrodslamPsylocke's ordinary katana can cut his face, and stab through him. He's not that durable.
When was this? Are you talking about X-Men 162? The Juggernaut whos depowered severly? The Juggernaut who had claw marks in his helmet from sabertooth?You thats what youre talkign about, it isnt saying much considering it was a cheapshot from behind. Naturally Juggs may be more durable, but Red is highly durable as well plus he has a high healing factor.
Originally posted by jrodslamThat's really more my question to you. His powers allow him to emit plasma from all parts of his body. He has the ability to absorb radiation. So other than this one instance many years ago that contradicts this powerset is there anything to suggest he can be burned by ordinary thermal radiation when the heat from his plasma does nothing to him?
😕 When was the last time you say someone encase or surround Havok in fire?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's really more my question to you. His powers allow him to emit plasma from all parts of his body. He has the ability to absorb radiation. So other than this one instance many years ago that contradicts this powerset is there anything to suggest he can be burned by ordinary thermal radiation when the heat from his plasma does nothing to him?
Not really. I presented you with the information that hes not immune to fire or heat besides his own. Just because he emits plasma from his body doesnt make him imune to it from others. Prime example was when Sunfire did a omnidirectional blast. He almost knocked out Havok out.
Originally posted by jrodslamDue to force or due to heat? It just seems odd that he'd not be immune to heat when he can surround himself with it.
Not really. I presented you with the information that hes not immune to fire or heat besides his own. Just because he emits plasma from his body doesnt make him imune to it from others. Prime example was when Sunfire did a omnidirectional blast. He almost knocked out Havok out.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Due to force or due to heat? It just seems odd that he'd not be immune to heat when he can surround himself with it.
Not sure if it was the force of heat. It was an omniblast. Iceman was caught in it as well. I think it makes sense the hed be affected by others heat/fire. I understand him being immune to what only HE emits. Its not like hes Torch or Iceman whos immune to heat/fire and sub-zero temperatures.
Originally posted by jrodslam
In the first scan, Havok shot a heat beam at the guys holding the weapons.
In the second scan, Havok didnt turn the air into plasma there. HE shot out the heat from his body initially, then on the next panel, he turned it up with a plasma burst. He didnt turn the air into anything. He was emitting it from his body.
With the phermones released depending how close they are to each other, he may set himself on fire. Its a possibility.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Last i saw, he wasnt. Pyro once surrounded him in flames and he couldnt get out. He was even sweating and coughing from the smoke and was almost out till he and Polaris worked something out together.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Not really. I presented you with the information that hes not immune to fire or heat besides his own. Just because he emits plasma from his body doesnt make him imune to it from others. Prime example was when Sunfire did a omnidirectional blast. He almost knocked out Havok out.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Due to force or due to heat? It just seems odd that he'd not be immune to heat when he can surround himself with it.
Originally posted by Roldz
That is exactly how plasma works supercharge/heated air/gas.. His body realeases waves of energy that heats up the air around him turnin it into plasma.. http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h1br7.jpg
Originally posted by Roldz
That is exactly how plasma works supercharge/heated air/gas.. His body realeases waves of energy that heats up the air around him turnin it into plasma.. http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h1br7.jpg
I understand that its how plasma works, but what im saying is that hes the one whos making the supercharged heat/air. When he lets out the heated blasts and puts more power into it, it then itself becomes the plasma. Not the air thats around his blast.
Originally posted by Roldz
No he wouldnt because those flames would just become supercharge/heated gas when he activates his powers and as soon as his powers is activated his immune to his own plasma.. Therefore those phermones that Red immets is not going to work cause of Havoks control over sourrounding atmosphere/air/wind...
Yes he would. Those flames would be supercharged/heated gas, but it wont be HIS supercharged heated gas. Thats why he would be vunerable to it.
Originally posted by Roldz
This is a few decades ago and prior to learnin more about how his powers work and the inhancement done by DarkBeast..
What did he lear from DarkBeast that would prevent him from not being burned by someone elses plasma? Secondly, the instance with Pyro was only 14 years ago. Not a few decades.
Originally posted by Roldz
He was caught unaware and they where talkin him down cause after all he is still a member on/off of X-men..
Ehh kinda. Hes the one who ordered the attack after Sunfire was about to attemt a move. He should have stayed prepared. Sunfire and Gambit made it clear that if the X-Men wouldnt assist, there will be conflict.
Originally posted by Roldz
No Havok is not immune to heat but as soon as he activates his powers say omni-directional blast or if the heat his immiting is higher than say Torch heat then hed be immune to it since everything his powers transforms does him no harm..
Ohh those sourround shield he has is air tight..
I agree with what you just said there save for the last sentence. Are his shields really air tight? How is he able to blast from out of it? Isnt Magnetos shield air tight as well? Ive never seen him blast out of it while it was still on. Maybe he has, but ive never seen it.😬
Originally posted by jrodslam
I understand that its how plasma works, but what im saying is that hes the one whos making the supercharged heat/air. When he lets out the heated blasts and puts more power into it, it then itself becomes the plasma. Not the air thats around his blast.
Yes he would. Those flames would be supercharged/heated gas, but it wont be HIS supercharged heated gas. Thats why he would be vunerable to it.
What did he lear from DarkBeast that would prevent him from not being burned by someone elses plasma? Secondly, the instance with Pyro was only 14 years ago. Not a few decades.
I agree with what you just said there save for the last sentence. Are his shields really air tight? How is he able to blast from out of it? Isnt Magnetos shield air tight as well? Ive never seen him blast out of it while it was still on. Maybe he has, but ive never seen it.
Originally posted by Roldz
No, read the bio scanned i posted.. What he emits is an energy wave that turns the air into plasma..When he activates his powers the waves emits all over his body supercharging/heating the air around him which he then becomes immune to it since it was his powers that changed it, the heat produce would be far higher than the flames therefore it dessipates/is superseeded by his heat or he could just use his omni-blast.. Read the bio again specially Super-human powers section..
I read every part of the bio. When Havok uses his power and his heat is released, the heat he releases is whats turned into the plasma. I guess because since theres always air is all around him, it can be said that he turns the air into plasma, but that isnt the case. Iceman for instance can turn the air itself into ice.
If Havok is surrounded by his heat, he is immune to it. No arguements there. However if the heat around him catches on fire, it would not dissipate. No if there was fire he was surrounded by and got the chance to, he then can use an omniblast (which would have to be at a higher outputlevel in plasma and heat) and that would dissipate the flames.
Originally posted by Roldz
Not only his powers was inhance but also learned some ways to control it.. Also i didnt say he was immune to someone else plasma.. A decade is 10 years..
How were his powers enhanced? Also you said "This is a few decades ago...." I know a decade is 10 years and a couple would be 20, but wouldnt that be 30 + years from your quote? I thought you initially didnt know what a decade was, or at least when the fight took place to say it happened a few decasdes ago. 14 years would be just a little over 1 decade.
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In the scan where hes actually shooting, his arms seem to be outside of his bubble. The hand hes shooting from appears to have its on buble as well. Or are they really bubles/shields at all? Ive always thought the were just the waves of energy/heat that emits from his body when hes powered up or using his powers. Not a actuall shield(Sue, Lantern, Mags) where nothing gets through. I have seen him do barrier like blasts, but around himself?
Originally posted by jrodslam
I read every part of the bio. When Havok uses his power and his heat is released, the heat he releases is whats turned into the plasma. I guess because since theres always air is all around him, it can be said that he turns the air into plasma, but that isnt the case. Iceman for instance can turn the air itself into ice.If Havok is surrounded by his heat, he is immune to it. No arguements there. However if the heat around him catches on fire, it would not dissipate. No if there was fire he was surrounded by and got the chance to, he then can use an omniblast (which would have to be at a higher outputlevel in plasma and heat) and that would dissipate the flames.
The wave usually eminate in all direction unless he wills it diff.. Once those phermones inters his field of wave no flames will be produce from the resulting collision since 02 is taken up already by the wave or be swallowed/consumed by the existing heat wave who is by far higher in temp than the flame that would have been produce by the phermones..
Now im basing this on the fact that the wave temp is high enough to turn the air into plasma, it being higher than the phermones flames..
How were his powers enhanced? Also you said "This is a few decades ago...." I know a decade is 10 years and a couple would be 20, but wouldnt that be 30 + years from your quote? I thought you initially didnt know what a decade was, or at least when the fight took place to say it happened a few decasdes ago. 14 years would be just a little over 1 decade.
In the scan where hes actually shooting, his arms seem to be outside of his bubble. The hand hes shooting from appears to have its on buble as well. Or are they really bubles/shields at all? Ive always thought the were just the waves of energy/heat that emits from his body when hes powered up or using his powers. Not a actuall shield(Sue, Lantern, Mags) where nothing gets through. I have seen him do barrier like blasts, but around himself?
Originally posted by Roldz
This is directly taken from the bio, "And release it as waves of energies that heat up the air in its path enough to turn it into plasma, which is a superheated state of matter consisting of charged subatomic particles."
It is not the wave that turns into plasma, its the collision/manipulation of the wave and air resulting in plasma.. Atleast that how i understand the above quote..The wave usually eminate in all direction unless he wills it diff.. Once those phermones inters his field of wave no flames will be produce from the resulting collision since 02 is taken up already by the wave or be swallowed/consumed by the existing heat wave who is by far higher in temp than the flame that would have been produce by the phermones..
Now im basing this on the fact that the wave temp is high enough to turn the air into plasma, it being higher than the phermones flames..
Well, maybe im just not getting it. I understand what the bio is saying and all, but from looking at the comics and what he does, he cant change the air into plasma or whatever like Iceman can actually literally change the air into ice. I notice that its the heat that hes releasing from his hands/body that gets hotter and turns into plasma. Its like if i shoot a flamethrower, am i turning the air into flames? I may be heating up the area around my due to the flames, but i nor the flametrhrower is actually turning the air into flames. Thats my take on it. Now what im saying about Reds Phermones is that its flamable. Because Havok is going to have a degree of heat and or plasma around him, once in contact with the Phermones will turn into Flames of which arent of Havoks control. Les say if Havok does have the aura/shield around him and the Phermones come in contact with it, his aura will then be flames and thus not a product of his own powers.
Originally posted by Roldz
Now for that you have to read X-factor 125.. But the jest was bigger boom and control.. I look back and did say a few decade, i meant a decade.. My Bad..
Cool. No prob.
Originally posted by Roldz
The guy tackled him on the first scan and it clearly didnt touch him cause of the bubble.. The hands well its the plasma wave that he used not burst, thats why it has diff. effect/art...
I guess. I still say Havok loses if hes within 30 feet of Red.
PS: Id also like to add that its been a pleasure debating with you and others on this. No insulting or such is always appreciated.😄
