Omega Red Vs Havok

Originally posted by jrodslam
Does his blasts turn the air into plasma? I though the blasts themselves were plasma?

Originally posted by jrodslam
They have to be in range of each other. It goes both ways. I know Havok can charge his body with energy. Just as Red may be in trouble if Havok was in range, Havok may be in trouble if Red was in range.

Originally posted by jrodslam
As per the Logan Files, it was mentioned that the Phermones were flammable. If Havok did that do you think he would be immune to burning up by the flames even if hes the one that caused it?

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Originally posted by jrodslam
Ohh i read the fight if you wanna call it that. Like i stated in my quoted post. He rarely flies. Hes done it what, about 3 times in about 35 years? Its not a likely tactic for him in battle is what im saying. And if he did fly away to get prep, he loses via battlefield removal of himself. I highly doubt Havok read the files on Omega Red. Especially considering hes a Wolvie villain mainly and not considered an X-Men threat. If they dont engage in h2h first, Havok would shoot regular blasts in the beginning. Not some huge blast like you think.

Like his blast feats show in the Respect Thread range works for him. Or another option is what he did against Black Tom Cassidy. Radial Exlopsion of Plasma.

Originally posted by Roldz
Yep, he can turn the air into superheated plastma and it doesnt have to be an omnidirectional blast, as long as he knows where to focus it.. Problem is, dont know how far itll extend.

Can i see a pic of him turning the air itself into the plasma? I always thought it was his blasts that were the plasma.

Originally posted by Roldz
Close range proximity attack id have to give it to Havok as well, not only is he able to super heat the air making it quite diff. for his opponent to act + his got a personal energy shield, that could withstand EM blast and the likes. and other tricks like say uses his power to jump higher or flight, strength augmentation/somethin similar to and huge blast can also be use on close proximity attack..
Question dough can the deathspore pass through an energy shield?

I still dont know about the close range. Would his energy shield actually prevent him from being grabbed? Would the Phermones go through? Thats a good question. If the Phermones are able to get through to Havok, all his abilities/skills/attacks would be hard to pull off or wont get off at all.

Originally posted by Roldz
I doubt those phermones would become flamable since Havok has control over the air in his proximity + his got personal forcefield and is capable of extending those in diff. bubbles. Red can try to wrap Havok with those tentacles but with the force field it would be quite impossible, + were not even sure if those spores can go through his field..

Is Havok able to have the field and attack through it at the same time? Just a question. I do think the spores would be flamable if the surrounding area is heated up. When i first saw it, i thought it was bull, but if thats the way it is, then hey.😬

Originally posted by Rewmac
You should know that the vs. forums are using characters at their best. Havok doesn't really need time to charge a big one to blow Omega Red away. And if battlefield removal is an option Omega Red has then lost end of battle. If we don't use BFR then the fight still goes on. Range is what works better for Havok so my question is still : Havok is a projectile based character, why would he fight him with fists??? And it is a possibility that he read about Omega during his X-Men years. X-Mansion Comp has all known villians of their members and of the team in the databank. I'm not saying he did but that is a possiblity.
In my opinion Havok wins this.

Like his blast feats show in the Respect Thread range works for him. Or another option is what he did against Black Tom Cassidy. Radial Exlopsion of Plasma.

Yes the forums are using the characters at their best. But also in character. You mention flying although Havok has only done if a few times. I just think he hasnt done it consistant enough to say hed do it in a fight. And if he does it, he eliminates himslef from the battle and Red wins. I dont think Havok would have to charge to blow Red away. I dont think a regular balst would do much to Red anyways.

Check the respect thread under my sig.. He can super charge the air around him. Ive got some more scan ive got to post just dont have time right now.. later

Originally posted by Roldz
Check the respect thread under my sig.. He can super charge the air around him. Ive got some more scan ive got to post just dont have time right now.. later

Where is he turning the air around him into plasma? I always though it was him that releasing the plasma from out of him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yes the forums are using the characters at their best. But also in character. You mention flying although Havok has only done if a few times. I just think he hasnt done it consistant enough to say hed do it in a fight. And if he does it, he eliminates himslef from the battle and Red wins. I dont think Havok would have to charge to blow Red away. I dont think a regular balst would do much to Red anyways.

You got that right that he might not use it. I just say has done it before. Why not do it again?? And for BFR can you put that aside coz then a radial explosion would be BFR and Havok would win. Or well charged (1 second charge, concentrated) blast would also remove Omega Red from the battlefield and that would mean the end of story. So if you wanna do it the BFR way there is more chance that Alex tkaes this with BFR than Omega Red. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Rewmac
You got that right that he might not use it. I just say has done it before. Why not do it again?? And for BFR can you put that aside coz then a radial explosion would be BFR and Havok would win. Or well charged (1 second charge, concentrated) blast would also remove Omega Red from the battlefield and that would mean the end of story. So if you wanna do it the BFR way there is more chance that Alex tkaes this with BFR than Omega Red. 😮‍💨

He could do it again. Im just saying its not a likely tactic in combat. In regards to BFR, if he were to blast Red, how would it remove him from the bettlefield. How far do you think hed blast Red?

Originally posted by jrodslam
He could do it again. Im just saying its not a likely tactic in combat. In regards to BFR, if he were to blast Red, how would it remove him from the bettlefield. How far do you think hed blast Red?

Well far enough...

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Originally posted by Rewmac
Well far enough...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Page023.jpg

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Blasting him that far would be a BFR imo. Plus Omega Red has a bit of range himself.

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Omega would destroy Havok, hands down

Originally posted by jrodslam
Where is he turning the air around him into plasma? I always though it was him that releasing the plasma from out of him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yes the forums are using the characters at their best. But also in character. You mention flying although Havok has only done if a few times. I just think he hasnt done it consistant enough to say hed do it in a fight. And if he does it, he eliminates himslef from the battle and Red wins. I dont think Havok would have to charge to blow Red away. I dont think a regular balst would do much to Red anyways.

Originally posted by jrodslam
He could do it again. Im just saying its not a likely tactic in combat. In regards to BFR, if he were to blast Red, how would it remove him from the bettlefield. How far do you think hed blast Red?

Originally posted by LordFear
Omega would destroy Havok, hands down

Originally posted by jrodslam
Can i see a pic of him turning the air itself into the plasma? I always thought it was his blasts that were the plasma.

I still dont know about the close range. Would his energy shield actually prevent him from being grabbed? Would the Phermones go through? Thats a good question. If the Phermones are able to get through to Havok, all his abilities/skills/attacks would be hard to pull off or wont get off at all.

Is Havok able to have the field and attack through it at the same time? Just a question. I do think the spores would be flamable if the surrounding area is heated up. When i first saw it, i thought it was bull, but if thats the way it is, then hey.😬

omega and havok are cool

Originally posted by Roldz
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Plasma is just superheated air/gas.. In the scans above he supercharges the air around her with intense heat turnin it into controlled plasma burst..

In the first scan, Havok shot a heat beam at the guys holding the weapons.

In the second scan, Havok didnt turn the air into plasma there. HE shot out the heat from his body initially, then on the next panel, he turned it up with a plasma burst. He didnt turn the air into anything. He was emitting it from his body.

Originally posted by Roldz
After he first learned it, not that long ago, his been doin it w/ tactical advantage against his opponent at current release of X-men issues.. according to the poster nothing has been stated in the proximate size of the battle field.. So nobody is winning this through BFR and when it comes to reach Omega has nothing against Havok..
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Heres his levatating on water.. earliest use of flight abilities..
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All iwas saying is that its not a likely tactic for Havok in battle to fly around. Thus i wouldnt consider it to be useable her on the forums. But if it wants to be used in this thread then fine. Secondly, i never stated that Omega Red had better reach than Havok. I did stated that depending on how close they are together, Red could easily catch him with the Phermones probably just as quickly as Havokcan let out a blast. My initial statement i believe was Havok better be 20+ feet away from Red or he goes down.

Originally posted by Roldz
Highly unlikely.. It would be the other way around

Depending on a few things.

Originally posted by Roldz
Yep, he can shield and blast at same time...

With the phermones released depending how close they are to each other, he may set himself on fire. Its a possibility.

Originally posted by jrodslam
With the phermones released depending how close they are to each other, he may set himself on fire. Its a possibility.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's a mutant who emits plasma from his hands and absorbs radiation. He's going to lose to fire. 🤨

My thoughts exactly 🤣 😮‍💨

Havok has one shoted current Juggernaut I think his durabilty is above Omega Red's

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's a mutant who emits plasma from his hands and absorbs radiation. He's going to lose to fire. 🤨

Havok is susceptible to fire and getting burned.✅

Last I recall he's immune to heat radiation, considering he can surround himself in plasma.