A Couple Thoughts On Anakin

Why is Anakin the true prophecy of bringing balance to the force?(I know episode 3 isn't out yet and I don't want it spoiled) but is it maybe because he had to experience the dark side in order for him to cancel out the Jedi powers, ultimately becoming neutral(balancing). Or is it because Anakin somehow knew and didn't understand why he would give into the dark side but somehow felt(force is about feeling) and in the end would get close to Palpatine and get Luke to help him in order to kill him in Return of the Jedi. Or did Anakin want to intentionally turn to the dark side in order to kill Palpatine(not telling Jedi of his plan for they wouldn't understand) and in doing so his own plan backfired and he consumed the dark side and gave in(supporting it even more he becomes even more succumbed to the dark side when he becomes more machine-and not man, but with a glimmering touch of good in him). Maybe these factors are all related to each other and are all connected and all contribute to Anakin's destiny. If Anakin is the chosen one in the prophecy then the choices he makes ultimately add up to his fate in the star wars saga. But again it can also be really simple because we too can desire power, give into anger, and become very ambitious and arrogant when it comes to certain situations and circumstances. It can also be linked to changing events and heartbreaking past experiences in one’s life ultimately contributing to one’s destiny or fate. Maybe Anakin really did desire power and really wanted to become the most powerful, and I quote from episode 2 “someday I will be the most powerful Jedi ever”. Maybe Anakin actually had the intent, better yet the desire to turn to the dark side because he endured it and embraced it or maybe it was like a suction into something you can’t get out of and maybe he was ultimately seduced by the Sith Master Palpatine. It makes one wonder what is the ultimate answer to Ankain’s reason(s) to the dark side and was it linked to the prophecy and why Anakin was the true prophecy (maybe he didn’t understand his actions and decisions and how long it would take for whatever it was to come and in the end his son resurrected him back to his normal self, so really Anakin was the prophecy because he started all of this and got his son to end it, either way he brought balance to the force from all the negative and positive things he did). When Anakin’s mother died it was a very saddened thing but we can sometimes take a different approach on how to control our feelings, instead Anakin boiled with rage and killed all the Tusken raiders(men, women, and children), which was really unnecessary. That was a short-term rage and we all sometimes have it and also along with his rage and anger was burst of adrenaline( holding great power which Sith use to their advantage). Now I’m not saying this could happen but if Padme does die or is killed(doesn’t matter who but would be a twist if Anakin killed her if she betrays him in anyway–doesn’t matter right now. But if she dies then most likely something short-term or even long-term could be engulfed in his life forever( becoming Darth Vader and such). Whatever the cause may be , it has to be something to drive Anakin to his end and new life of Darth Vader(just because he’s machine doesn’t mean he is ultimately switched to darth vader I think the name has more meaning and purpose to it). If you think about it Anakin had experienced quite a bit and was literally in all of the star wars movies, he has experienced light and good (Jedi and Sith) and from doing this it shows just how much of important character Anakin was. His story unfolds something unexplainable but yet understandable and necessary for the fate of the galaxy in the star wars saga. This is clearly a contradiction and his character beautifully mirrors that in which sometimes the most seemingly powerful can also be the most weak. Maybe that is the theme of the whole saga because we se it everyday with the riches and golds of families but the loss of love within that family. Again maybe all of these ideas and factors I had are all mixed together and all serve together as one reason for why Anakin is the prophecy of bringing balance to the force. Maybe I’m making a big deal out of this or making nothing but it’s sometimes good to think beyond, like we all do. Maybe it is a simple answer or may seem that way if it is told either way I would like to know. I would say this is something I can always talk about in star wars and I could go on forever on this topic because it seems endless to talk about. Even though Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are two different characters they somehow link together, at the end again it brings up the whole idea of bringing balance to the force(probably meaning what it says) and maybe its like at a certain point of algebra( take -2 and +2 if they are opposite, which they are they equal zero ultimately cancelling each other out) then we can use that as an example of light and good. If you think about it Anakin was truly the one who brought the order of light and good together creating something unexplainable that left us with a stationary feeling of stableness and that the equation cancelled out, that is if until someone or something can balance the equation because at the end of the saga Anakin did bring balance to the force but the only question is how long. For we can really add more to an equation making it seem never-ending. Anakin can be good, bad or whatever you want to call him, to me I think he is something more and unexplainable, a contradicting character that both singular sides cannot understand yet he can only understand for it was most likely in the prophecy. He truly is powerful in sacrificing and in an individual way that made the lives better for people in the star wars galaxy. I don’t want to offend anybody or anything but I do see the idea of Jesus Christ brought into Anakin’s character. Crazy I know but maybe George Lucas wanted to put a bit of religion in his movies(it makes a bit of sense for the Jedi and Sith are very religious in their own relative nature, for they have to dedicate there lives to a hard life and there are vows accustomed to that as well, like any priest giving up marriage to a woman because they are technically married to God). Still not convinced with me saying this, then Anakin’s birth is unknown and the father is unknown( if there is a father). Qui Gon’s notion of him being passed down by the medichlorions seems like the best theory to me and if that is true and there is no father then it is like Jesus’ story of being impregnated into the virgin Mary and we cannot argue that fact of Jesus can we. All I’m saying is that there is some sort of connection between that and Jesus’ story(to me anyway maybe another one of you will see what I mean). If you want to get down and dirty I think Lucas was inspired by a lot of famous stories or philosophies, including space and physics. I will repeat it in many and different ways if I have to Anakin is the bridge between light and good he is the one who fills the missing gap and brings the Jedi and Sith together somehow, so much so by creating this alliance they cancel out by having no Jedi and no Sith in the galaxy and in return there is no constant threat or feud between the two sides. This would ultimately let others live out their lives so that because the balance is present. Although Luke is still alive and he would really be imbalancing the equation, unless he is to turn to the dark side and this never-ending story or equation takes place. Really this could be a never-ending saga if the director wanted it to be but I think he wanted to bring up the idea of this never-ending prophecy that has to be understood by viewers. So really the society within the star wars saga is mirrored by the Sith and Jedi because there are Imperials and Rebels and they each have their time of triumph over one another by battles, wars, and politics. Each side has their moments but they counter each other by having this never-ending war, kind of like our world today where one side wants peace and when the other side wants power. Even though Anakin Skywalker/ Darth Vader is the main character of the star wars saga I think he is the most interesting and original character I have ever seen because he has been through it all as a slave boy growing up and learning the ways of the force and turning into one of the most feared villains of the galaxy and then restoring balance to the force. He truly is someone who would follow the rules and then break them because he means to and its in his abilities and nature for him to do so. No one can understand him but himself, for he is ultimately the democratic leader sided by his dictatorship methods in order for him to bring something into the star wars galaxy that is unexaplainable but supposedly normal for the galaxy to live by. Maybe George Lucas didn’t or maybe he did intend for what I am saying now or had some kind of idea along my line but it really doesn’t matter because star wars has given me the chance to philosophize or debate with others outstanding theories and themes about star wars that could be vital to our everyday lives because really everything is somehow connected, one way or another.

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ok I gotta come back to this one when I have an hour. 😆

Yes..... long very long lol

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Originally posted by sanatayesse
Why is Anakin the true prophecy of bringing balance to the force?(I know episode 3 isn't out yet and I don't want it spoiled) but is it maybe because he had to experience the dark side in order for him to cancel out the Jedi powers, ultimately becoming neutral(balancing).

Two words: LINE BREAK

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[b](The Return of Vader piece runs; huge applause)]/b]

So, where can we get this Return of Vader "piece"?

corn

that'd be the question of the moment...I looked all over Hyperspace and couldnt find it. 🙁 btw guess you got your answer as to how Hayden feels about being Vader eh? 😆 😆

thanks for posting it I'm glad some one was keeping an eye on comic con I had a feeling they going to talk but did'nt know it would be hayden himself .he said fight is going to be great I hope mace windu gets a great death scene for now may vader be with you.

what i think is that anakin balanced the force when he turned to the dark side. because the light side ruled for years and they needed to balance by the dark side ruling for some time.

Vergere said " What you call the dark side is the raw, unrestrained force itself: you call the dark side what you find when you give yourself over wholy to the Force. To be a jedi is to control your passion . . . but jedi control limits your power.Greatness-true greatness of any kind-requires the surrender of control. Passion that is guided,not walled away. Leaves your limits behind."

"but-the dark side-"

She rose,her smoldering garments wreathing her in coils of smoke."If your surrender leads to slaughter,that is not because the Force has darkness in it. It is because you do."

-Star wars The New Jedi Order
Traitor- talk between Jacen Solo and Vergere

ok, here's my theory:
i KNOW its part EU, so don't flame me.
its JUST A THEORY

while playing KOTOR on xbox, during one of the many many loading screens,
the text said something to the idea that there is such thing as a perfect sith. i forget the name, but it alludes to the existence or legend of some kind of uber-sith. it was obviously hinting at palps, right? i think so...so anyway i was thinking...could palps be such a sith? in other words, would he been able to pimpslap maul and dooku all over coroscant at the same time if he wanted to? i think so...

anyway, it seems to me that palpatine was untouchable to everyone accept vader. noone else DARED even think about taking his thrown, but vader planned it all along. (at least from ESB) but thats the nature of the sith right?
in their conversation in ESB, palps knew what vader was planning, as he was making his OWN plans. they were planning to betray eachother, they both knew it, and they were both fine with it. in the end, vader's plan unfolded..kinda

im not sure if anakin will decide to go bad, to eventually kill the sith, but i am pretty sure that yoda and ben will come to the conclusion that vader is the only one powerful enough and close enough to the emporer to destroy him.

i think that luke's purpose was not to destroy the sith, but to bring anakin back to the light.

so thats it, i think palps is WAAAAAAAY more than just another darth. thats why the will of the force was to create anakin. he was the only one powerful enough to shrug off the dark side, kill the super-sith, and save the galaxy.
or else whats the point of the whole "prophecy" thing?

Frankly, PVS, that theory is along the same lines that I myself have come to think of. It makes sense, at least to me, and considering no one could take out Palpatine BEFORE Vader killed him makes me think that his powers far surpassed the average Sith's. Again, a theory, but I agree with you.

I think that if Anakin realizes that he is at fault for Padme's death that his fall to the dark side will be complete and total. It's clear that since he met Padme when he was nine that she has been the only thing that he really loves, besides his mother. Not being a Jedi, not flying space ships or pod racers, not fixing things. Those things are just interesting to him. Once he has lost his mother, Padme is all he has left. And once she is gone, no matter who's fault, he has nothing left. Basically, her death will be the catalyst to his final fall. I say final fall because he's been falling to the dark side since he hugged his mother goodbye on Tatooine. It's the first time he's really felt fear...and we all know that fear is what leads to the dark side. What will make the total fall so instant and over whelming is when he realizes that it was his fault, just like he blames himself for his mother's death.

It's also what makes Palpatine the ultimate villain in the story. From the moment he met Anakin and found out that he may be the ultimate Jedi...the chosen one....that he would make the best apprentice. Palpatine hates the fact that Anakin is a Jedi. It's obvious that Palpatine was never a Jedi. Palpatine views the Jedi way as weak and inferior. It makes Anakin the best candidate for being a Sith. Since Maul was destroyed on Naboo(and Palpatine clearly had the most time to mold him of any of the apprentices he has in the whole story) he knows that the only alternative, due to time constraints, are Jedi. Hence Dooku and Anakin. Palpatine knows from their first meeting that Anakin will become "Vader" so to speak. He knows he can turn him to the dark side....that's why Luke tells him his overconfidence is his weakness. (Granted Vader was right in ESB when he tells Luke that only his hatred can destroy him. When Vader finally pushes that button in Lukes heart and mind about Leia...Luke gives in to his anger and beats Vader. Only when he sees what he will become in the form of the twisted wires hanging out of his fathers wrist is his goodness cemented and permanately instilled) It's also the ultimate fullfilment of the propechy. The Emperor thinks he can avoid bringing balance to the force by corrupting Anakin...but that is the LARGEST and most important aspect of the prophecy.

Clearly however, Obi-Wan feels a major sense of responsability in the whole situation.(other wise he wouldn't have spent the last half of his life hiding on Tatooine watching over Luke) He trained Anakin, he failed to show him the error of his ways...and emotions. But when you get right down to it, Obi-Wan is really the most innocent person in the whole story. He found himself in a position where he felt obligated to take on Anakin as a padawan. On top of that, as good and innocent as Anakin seemed...he was just a weak child when he left his mother. And on top of that still, Anakin is the chosen one...and Yoda, Qui-Gon, Windu, Kenobi...all of the others, are just pawns in the will of the force. Yoda knew what was going to happen...maybe not to the extent that actually came about...but he knew that Anakin shouldn't be trained...he already had too much attachment to the things in his life. That's why kids are taken away to be Jedi before they're old enough to become attached to their parents. It was the short sightedness of the other members of the council that eventually led to Yoda being "out voted", in a manner of speaking, and Anakin being trained as a Jedi. But that's the whole point of the prophecy in the story. It happens because it was meant to happen. Only Yoda, and Obi-Wan to an extent, knew that it would be bad for the future of the galaxy. They just didn't realize that Anakin HAD to fall in order to be redeemed at the right time and place where he could destroy the Emperor and bring balance back to the force. Which is why Anakin is the chosen one.

damn, you people just love to type. 😄

i think what we are all touching on is that there is alot more
going on with anakin's role and in the plot of ep3 (and the saga in general) than we are let to beleive.

By the way, does anyone give any merit to that Midichlorian stuff? Cause thats supposed to be the judge in same way or another. Also, maybe Anakin himself does not bring balance to the force, but his son, Luke, does. Yes, Anakins actually journey through the darkside and back is the direct relation to the balance, but Luke was the catalyst for that catharsis, so maybe Luke is the real "balance-bringer."

(Oh and if Anakin wrote a book, wouldnt it be titled, "There and Back Again: A Jedi's Tale? Haha I crack myself up sometimes....or not)

i think you are right and wrong:
luke was indeed the catalyst, but doesn't that mean that
anakin is the one? luke's job was to talk vader into performing an action:
kill palpatine. anakin was the one who took action.

if you agree that luke was to weak to beat palps, but anankin wasn't, then you must see that anakin is the one. besides...emaculate conception!!?!
thats a dead giveaway my friend.

Haha true, just throwing some ideas into the mix. But frankly I think Anakin = Jesus in a galaxy far, far away. hahaha

Originally posted by Alfeetoe
But frankly I think Anakin = Jesus in a galaxy far, far away. hahaha

Of course Anakin is Jesus. I mean note the similarities. Already stated was the fact that they were both conceived in a strange and unconventional manner. Then theres the hair, Im sure if there were pictures of Jesus when he was around the age Anakin was in Episode I, they would look identical. Both of em had shitty jobs as kids: one was a slave repair boy and the other was a lowly carpenter, but both were extremely skilled in their craft. Anakin now has long hair in ROTS, and Jesus always had long hair (if Anakin was horribly burned, I surely think he would have grown some facial hair, a la Jesus). Both of them die, in a way, to bring balance to their respective worlds/galaxies and both died with a sense of betrayal, Anakin from Obi and Jesus from the Jews/God ("Father, why have you foresaken me?"😉. It all fits a bit too perfectly for my tastes....I smell a Christian propaganda plot lurking deep inside the Star Wars plot! Hahaha

Sanata.....paragraph breaks are your friend 😛

I have a couple of thoughts on this whole thing.

1) Anakin isn't the one to bring balance, but his son is...

2) By destroying Palpatine in RoTJ, Anakin restores balance to the force.

But that begs the question, why does Qui Gon believe that the force is unbalanced in the first place? At the beginning of Ep.I, the jedi believe that the sith are extinct, so how is the force unbalanced? Qui Gon seems to believe that Anakin is the force of good to balance out the evil. Maybe the movie will have the answers but I doubt it.

Also, will Padme die in the movie? If you remember Leia in RoTJ, she says that she sort of remembers her mother, mostly that she was sad. I don't think Padme dying will push Anakin over the edge, but Palpatine will somehow convince Anakin that Dooku was the one responsible for his mother's death, and killing Dooku turns Anakin to the dark side, ala the same way Palpatine wanted Luke to kill his father.

Isn't speculation fun? 🙂

you jest about the jesus parallel, but i think it's true.
and when you think about it,
he's also a martar like jesus.
(not to get all biblical, but think about it)

my reasoning:
the jedi we see in ep1 are useless.
they are so weak and blind that in the begining of ep2
they are sitting in the sith lord's office and DONT EVEN KNOW IT.
not only that, but they accept councelling from his as well.
they are flawed and weak, from a millenia of no war.
anakin see's that the jedi are useless...enter palps...

They refused at first to even beleive the sith existed.
They treated anakin with total apathy (except obiwan) from
the time he was introduced. obiwan tries his damndest, but cannot keep
anakin in line...and noone helps...noone seems to care.
anakin feels alone and isolated...enter palps...

and the republic, completely functionless. not only that,
but a power vacume waiting to happen, since its so easy to force
the chancellor out. anakin witnesses this and realises that it all
needs to change...enter palps....

thanks to all the powers that be, anakin never had a chance.
his fate was to become vader.

so who saves all these high and mighty folks? a slave boy.
and look at the price he must pay to save them all.
he suffers for 20+ years and finally dies.
that, i think, is a martar.