Originally posted by Jvenom
C-master after reading this post you must be an idiot. I never said Venom was 40 class. I said the symbiote increases ones powers or strengths 40 times. This means with Brocks strenth he could lift about 20 to 25 tons. Do you not know what a ton is. Is mathematics that hard for you. Then I said if he gets an adrenalin boost making Brock's strength more in the way some people can lift a five ton rock off somebody in certain situtions he can become stronger for short periods of time. In some situtions people can gain amazing strength with an adrenalin rush. The costume can control this, there by increasing in strength. You shoud really read the post or at least try to understand it before speaking again. If Brock is able to increase his strength where he could lift four or five tons as a human which he could since people have done it with huge amounts of adrenalin he could match the likes of Juggernaut for a short time. Short time is the key words here because adrenlin in the body is short lived.
So, are you stating that Venoms' base strength level (Eddie Brock Venom) is 20-25 tons? It states in Mavels bios that Venoms base strength is around 11 tons. A lttle less actually. All this calculating isn't adding up if Marvel is right. Was it ever depicted that Eddie Brock with out the suit lifted this amount of weight(4-5tons)? Speculating that he could have is just speculation. Unless you or anyone has seen him do this than a person can only assume, and assumption usually isn't good evidence if a person is trying to prove a point.
Also on the topic of Venom somehow getting inside Cains helmet and goingup his nose or in his ears, well I don't think he could. Cain doesn't need to eat, sleep or breath. He can be in the vacuum of space and not be affected. I think it has something to do with Cyttoraks' gem providing somesort of protective layer over his skin. If for some reason Venom did get his helmet off than Venom would have a much better chance of getting Cain to become terrified due to Venoms nightmare inducing powers. I don't know much about these nightmare powers though so, I wouldn't rely on those, personally. I say Juggernaut punches him..straight to the moon.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Great yet another fanboy, I think you are wrong, and a hypocrite, considered you just started insulting me.You think he can beat superman and juggernaut, please, your credibility is going nowhere in this forum, you are a fanboy of the highest degree.
You use shitty crossovers to support your premise, and you use no logic or reasoning, period.
Read other comics BESIDES the ones with venom in it kid.
So you are saying he is in class 100 after an adrenaline boost stupid, you know nothing of what you are talking about.
I fight and stuff in training, I edit novels and read the dictionary for a hobby, don't try to discuss semantics with me, when your premise is so flawed, and you are a damn fanboy.
No wrong again.
Brocks powers are from a copy of spiderman, each host it gets alittle stornger, the reason brock has gotten so strong is because he lifts weights to keep himself in peak shape.
So you are a fanboy who knows little about his character also, how about that?
I know how much a ton is, a ton is 2000 lbs, a tonne is 2400 lbs.
That means by your increase he hits the 100 ton class, which is just absurd.
You know little about your own character, he is street level, and you have a fanboy delusion telling you that he beats people like superman and hulk and juggernaut.
Hulk that destroyed an aesteroid?
Hulk that bent adamantium, and stretched the cosmic cube, and moved the blob?
Superman that moved a planet.
Juggernaut won't be scratched by brocks BEST hits, therefore your argument is absurd.
"adrenaline", learn to spell.
I know what adrenaline is quite well I fought overseas.
You don't need to bother voicing your shitty opinion, just sit back and listen.
and?
Will it hurt juggernaut, no.
So lets let logic conclude that, no matter how strong he gets he ISN'T hurting juggernaut.
You are wrong plain and simple, and the fact that you think that this is venom the madness makes you that much more rediculous.
The strength won't hurt juggernaut, what part of that don't you understand?
Colossus can't, thing can't, hulk (the strongest character in marvel by the way) can't , so what makes you think venom can?
Fanboyism thats right, stupid fanboyism that has plauged this forum.
You need to stop backpatting jinzin, but you are as bad as him with logic, you also need to use logic.
Lets see: juggernaut "immune to physical harm"
Venom, isn't, and he can't hurt juggernaut.
Will a strength increase matter, no not really.
Why do you people post this tripe, and then act so smug and sarcastic.
I've seen your posts the last few days, and they are not impressive.
I like venom MUCH more than I like juggernaut, the difference is I'm objective.
I just served you up like a 10 oclock concession, go read a comic AND use logic before talking next time young man.
You've been served.
No, your premise is flawed severly, you also shot down your own argument.
You don't know the rules of the forum or anything.
What happens when the adrenaline wears off, and brock has exausted his energy, and juggernaut is laughing?
Thank you for realizing that, there may be hope for you yet.
No, not really there isn't.
Wow, seems like someone pissed off C-mas. 😱
Here I hate to ruin the Venom Fanboys parade but in the second fight when Venom didn't have the Madness Virus and Juggs ran away. What did juugs say. The money isn't worth this. Venom used his speed and strength to gain a temporay adavantage against a Juggs that wasn't that serious. ZI hate to tell you this but when Juggs gets serious about beating on people he does it.
Thor one example he beat him with pleasure Hulk another. Heck Spiderman once he got serious about beating Spiderman he collapsed a whole roof on him.
Colossus is another Cain got mad and punched Colossus out in one POunch.
Thing in Three.
It's true that in The Madness part 1 juggy trashed Venom pretty good but only because Venom couldn't think straight or focus at the fight because of all the voices then I know that in The Madness Part 2 & 3 Venom did the "impossible thing" which is Stopping Juggernaut and in the end Juggy ran like a little sissy when Beck stopped the fight. That's just the way I see it: Venom beats Juggernaut. I just find it hard to see Juggernaut totally beating Venom, that just doesn't make any sense for me, that means nothing can make me changing my mind about this. What you juggy fans think and what I think is 2 different things because we see things with another logic, thats the way it is
Originally posted by Venom Dude No.1
It's true that in The Madness part 1 juggy trashed Venom pretty good but only because Venom couldn't think straight or focus at the fight because of all the voices then I know that in The Madness Part 2 & 3 Venom did the "impossible thing" which is Stopping Juggernaut and in the end Juggy ran like a little sissy when Beck stopped the fight. That's just the way I see it: Venom beats Juggernaut. I just find it hard to see Juggernaut totally beating Venom, that just doesn't make any sense for me, that means nothing can make me changing my mind about this. What you juggy fans think and what I think is 2 different things because we see things with another logic, thats the way it is
Originally posted by K3VILI love K3vil's post, he hates fanboys like I do...
HEY YA!Here comes another Venomboy.
Why you didn't mention Venom smacking around Superman in the crossover?
Your comic knowledge is low my friend, cause on major occasions writers make crap stories.
Spider-Man beating Firelord.
Thing beating Champion.
Venom beating Juggernaut.
Venom smacking down Superman.
Batman HURTING Hulk.
Batman throwing in the snow Captain Marvel with his leg while Marvel's body was traveling at blinding speed.
Go read page 4.
Originally posted by Venom Dude No.1
That's just the way I see it: Venom beats Juggernaut. I just find it hard to see Juggernaut totally beating Venom, that just doesn't make any sense for me, that means nothing can make me changing my mind about this. What you juggy fans think and what I think is 2 different things because we see things with another logic, thats the way it is
At least he is honest. He is using another logic. 🙂
Originally posted by Venom Dude No.1
It's true that in The Madness part 1 juggy trashed Venom pretty good but only because Venom couldn't think straight or focus at the fight because of all the voices then I know that in The Madness Part 2 & 3 Venom did the "impossible thing" which is Stopping Juggernaut and in the end Juggy ran like a little sissy when Beck stopped the fight. That's just the way I see it: Venom beats Juggernaut. I just find it hard to see Juggernaut totally beating Venom, that just doesn't make any sense for me, that means nothing can make me changing my mind about this. What you juggy fans think and what I think is 2 different things because we see things with another logic, thats the way it is
the fight stopped because juggernaut chose it to. he developed feelings for the lady that he was paid to capture. when he said the money is not worth it, it was because she was screaming stop, not because the abuse was to much.
Originally posted by Jvenom
C-master after reading this post you must be an idiot. I never said Venom was 40 class. I said the symbiote increases ones powers or strengths 40 times. This means with Brocks strenth he could lift about 20 to 25 tons. Do you not know what a ton is. Is mathematics that hard for you. Then I said if he gets an adrenalin boost making Brock's strength more in the way some people can lift a five ton rock off somebody in certain situtions he can become stronger for short periods of time. In some situtions people can gain amazing strength with an adrenalin rush. The costume can control this, there by increasing in strength. You shoud really read the post or at least try to understand it before speaking again. If Brock is able to increase his strength where he could lift four or five tons as a human which he could since people have done it with huge amounts of adrenalin he could match the likes of Juggernaut for a short time. Short time is the key words here because adrenlin in the body is short lived.
actually it should be noted that venom recently is somewhere in the 35 to 40 ton class... he's claimed to at his very least be twice as strong as the new enhanced spidey putting him in the low 30's but his feats would dictate a little more IMO...
(i believe the recent ugrade came when both venom symbiotes combined in the last issue of the venom ongoing title...)
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't even mean this in a mean way, but what can Venom do once Jugg's helmet is off? Not that I believe Venom will ever get that close to Juggernaut without being ripped in half...but what could Venom do?
look back to my discussion with long pig I already covered this...
Originally posted by newjak86
Here I hate to ruin the Venom Fanboys parade but in the second fight when Venom didn't have the Madness Virus and Juggs ran away. What did juugs say. The money isn't worth this. Venom used his speed and strength to gain a temporay adavantage against a Juggs that wasn't that serious. ZI hate to tell you this but when Juggs gets serious about beating on people he does it.
Thor one example he beat him with pleasure Hulk another. Heck Spiderman once he got serious about beating Spiderman he collapsed a whole roof on him.
Colossus is another Cain got mad and punched Colossus out in one POunch.
Thing in Three.
😂 wasn't that serious? have you read the comic? 🤨
he was talking about how he was going to kill venom throughout the entire series.. including that last fight...
"I don't get paid enough to take this kinda abuse" in other words he was getting an asswhoopin... sorry man like I said I think venom's actual chances to get any sort of mental advantage like that again are very slim..but this stuff needs to be pointed out nonetheless.
Originally posted by jinzinspiderman said he was 45x faster than a human...
actually it should be noted that venom recently is somewhere in the 35 to 40 ton class... he's claimed to at his very least be twice as strong as the new enhanced spidey putting him in the low 30's but his feats would dictate a little more IMO...(i believe the recent ugrade came when both venom symbiotes combined in the last issue of the venom ongoing title...)
Ya know, what gets me is...I understand that Venom is no one's pushover. He's a great and powerful character. But what really throws me for a loop...is how anyone thinks he can perform any sort of butt-whupping on someone who's invulnerable?
That's what I just really don't understand. Someone please explain this to me. Juggs doesn't feel pain (unless psychically), takes no damage, doesn't budge if he doesn't want to.
Please explain to me how Venom could harm Juggy in the slightest.