venom vs juggernaut

Started by jinzin13 pages

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ya know, what gets me is...I understand that Venom is no one's pushover. He's a great and powerful character. But what really throws me for a loop...is how anyone thinks he can perform any sort of butt-whupping on someone who's invulnerable?

That's what I just really don't understand. Someone please explain this to me. Juggs doesn't feel pain (unless psychically), takes no damage, doesn't budge if he doesn't want to.

Please explain to me how Venom could harm Juggy in the slightest.

he wouldn't...the best he can hope for is either a win by ploat device or to take juggy's helmet off and instill his symbiotic nightmares to make juggy crazy....

someone says venom wins this? as jinzin said, not without some lame plot device he doesn't . . .

Stupid.

Venom is allowed to boost his strength with adrenaline, but not Jug?

What if Jug got an adrenaline boost? He'd be in the near billion ton range.

He's already in the hundreds and thousands of tons range.

****ing stupid.

Jug wins 10/10

Venom is class 40 at most and can't possibly begin to harm Jug in the slightest. He can't win, nor could he ever win.

300 venoms vs Jug and still Jug wins 10/10

<<Jug wins 10/10>>

amen.

Ditto.

Anyone who thinks Venom has an ice cube's chance in hell against the Juggernaut is a rabid fanboy.suffering from severe delusions of grandeur, and should not be taken seriously whatsoever.

so I am a diluted fanboy not to be taken seriously despite my previous statments? 🤨

No, no. No one is saying that, it's just, saying Jug loses to a streetleveler like Venom is a bit of a stretch, even under the concept of "suspension of disbelief.".

Originally posted by jinzin
so I am a diluted fanboy not to be taken seriously despite my previous statments? 🤨

<<so I am a diluted fanboy not to be taken seriously despite my previous statments?>>

yes?

boxing

Originally posted by jinzin
so I am a diluted fanboy not to be taken seriously despite my previous statments? 🤨

he may be a little delusional in this fight but the kids with me!
*Kicks Leonidas in the shin and runs*

If Venom has beaten the Juggernaut twice already there is no reason to think he cannot do it again. It is logical to compare past fights with people to see who might win. In fact that is the only way. Why? Because for many Heros and Villians their strength increases and decreases depending on who they are fighting. Bios mean nothing. Spider-Man will have a tough time beating the Lizard then he will go fight Firelord. Batman will chase the Joker all around barley beating him then will go knock out the Hulk with a well placed kick. Venom will have Darkhark almost knock him out then will pound on Superman. It happens so much that if you say it is crap writing you a dismissing most comics. Comics are fiction, so anything can happen. Woliverine will lose to Spider-Man then beat the Hulk. It happens all the time. You cannot go on bios and powers alone, you also have to go on past fights. Juggernaut has beaten Venom and Venom has beaten Juggernaut. The next fight can go either way. Venom has fought four 100 class heros and villians fist to fist. He has beaten three and tied one. Somehow he is able to match their strength each time, showing anything can happen in comics.

No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

No SvFL

Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<so I am a diluted fanboy not to be taken seriously despite my previous statments?>>

yes?

boxing


let's go....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

No SvFL

Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.

I don't think Batman sneaking up on Superman should be excluded from this. I know it's happened in the comics, but come on. Think about this. Superman can hear a flea sneeze from across the galaxy. I know that Batman is incredible, an amazing ninja and everything, who (as we all know) are experts in stealth and not making sounds. But there are some things that just make me want to bash my head in. Batman, no matter how good he is, will make noise when his feet touch this ground. He'll make noise when he breathes. He'll make noise when he bats his eyelashes. He'll make noise when his heart beats.

Now, unless Batman is now a heartless zombie who needs not breathe nor close his eyelids and levitates just over the ground...

...Then there is no way that Batman could ever sneek up on him. That is some crap.

not only has batman done that but he saved superman from an invisable man who was doing the same...

*sigh*

Why are there, so many fanboys.

WHY

Originally posted by Max Spidey 24
Why are there, so many fanboys.

WHY

the irony of that statement is hilarious...

That is a nice sig, by the way.