Captain America vs Black Panther

I have absolutely no idea what you just said. Cap was revived in 1964, in Avengers #4. He has been Captain America ever since, or at least fighting the good fight. Panther didn't even come out until well after Cap's revival, so I have no idea how you reach your conclusions. Panther was not some "lethal" combatant until AFTER he took the herbs, where he began to gain his abilities, again as described and shown in the Avengers. He was a trained fighter, but hardly in the range of "lethal combatants" up to that point.

Now I fully understand that Comic book years are not the same as regular folks years, but the fact remains that all of the battles Cap has fought have occurred in his "lifetime", and these are FAR more numerous than Panther's. If you recall, Panther himself dropped off the radar for many, many years after he left the Avengers, and has only recently been resurrected for a new generation of comic fans. So, according to your logic, remove ALL of those years from BP's history of learning and honing his skills in real combat, while adding up the years that Cap was at the forefront of Marvel Comics appearing in his own books, as well as the Avengers and guest-starring in several others, and Cap's experience FAR exceeds BP's.

You people should know that if you're gonna mess with an icon, you're gonna have to bring something besides half-truths or bad math to the table to beat him. Cap wins. 😮‍💨

I figured that image would eventually draw you out. Yes, I'm ashamed. I merely used those comments to draw you out into the open. If you look over at the Black Panther vs. Batman thread I readily acknowledge and inform others that the character was T'Chaka ( Black Panther ) and not T'Challa ( Black Panther ). I purposely decided not to post such a declaration on this thread to see your reaction. Somehow I knew you'd be all over it after seeing that.

Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
I figured that image would eventually draw you out. Yes, I'm ashamed. I merely used those comments to draw you out into the open. If you look over at the [b]Black Panther vs. Batman thread I readily acknowledge and inform others that the character was T'Chaka ( Black Panther ) and not T'Challa ( Black Panther ). I purposely decided not to post such a declaration on this thread to see your reaction. Somehow I knew you'd be all over it after seeing that. [/B]

You got me. I am but a puppet caught in the strings of your masterful manipulations. (You KNEW I couldn't leave that image post alone. Good one, man.)

😆 😆 🤣 😆 😆

Oh, btw (drumroll please)...

Cap wins.

I some what agree

Lol. It's all in good fun. Just a lil' somethin' , somethin' I learned from the Black Panther.

Anyways. I do agree with you. Captain America does most certainly have resume that far exceeds that of T'Challa's known experience. But then T'Challa's no slacker himself considering throughout his youth he'd been training as a fighter. His entire life revolved around perfecting his mind, body and spirit into becoming the greatest warrior on his continent far before he took the heart shaped herb. And he became the Black Panther at the age of 19 years after besting several of Wakanda's greatest warriors and then defeating his predecessor. ( The Black Panther ) Unlike Steven Rogers who possessed no special training before the time he came into being Captain America and seemed to immediately benefit from the enhancements of the super soldier serum. But in light of this new " evidence " more questions have been brought to mind. Seeing that Captain America even in 1944 was at the PEAK of human perfection and was still defeated shows that the serum in his body is just as potent as the heart shaped herb since it didn't guarantee him a victory.

Cap was only able to use his shield as a DEFENSIVE weapon and not offensively. Considering that the current Black Panther wears a vibranium mesh suit -- the circumstances appear to be the same. Neither man is without his share of skill when it comes to hand to hand fighting. And there was no way to ascertain the level of T'Chaka's skill in comparison to Rogers...then. So as I see it. Captain America to a degree relies on his SHIELD to help him in offensive fights. That advantage is nullified against T'Challa. It comes down to hand to hand. And considering that T'Challa's suit absorbs impact -- Captain America's blows will be less than Black Panther's.

Btw. Did you check out the images of Black Panther calling Cap his " brother " and Captain America saluting Panther? Good stuff man.

I have absolutely no idea what you just said. Cap was revived in 1964, in Avengers #4.

Actually, he was revived in the 90's. The Marvel Universe is on a sliding time line, with the events of Fantastic Four #1 perpetually having happened 10 years ago. The Avengers formed after the Fantastic Four, so the events of Fantastic Four #1 happened roughly sometime in the mid 90's. Cap was revived after the FF made their debut, so he was revived sometime in the mid 90's. Fighting with the Avengers for 10 years, and fighting in WWII for roughly 5 only gives him around 15 years of usable field time, before that he was too sickly to learn or practice any fighting.

Whereas T'Challa was raised a warrior king. Yes, he hides away in Wakanda for a few years at a time, which doesn't mean anything as the region is rife with political unrest he's constantly faces some hostilities. T'Challa was in his early 20's when he first challenged the Fantastic Four, it's been roughly 10 years since. There are 10 years that we have chronicled of his actions, and various flash backs informing us of his childhood bred to be a warrior. And yes, without the herbs, which give him a minimal enhancement, he is still a dangerous man, having mastered various matial arts, travelled the world and more before his right of ascension, in which he had to fight a cadre of Wakanda's strongest warriors to the herbs.

A lot of this stuff is being nitpicky, but you seemed to be unaware of the sliding time line, so that informs you, hopefully.

Actually, I understand the concept of the sliding time-line very well, as I stated in my post about comic years not being the same as real people years. Marvel's is about a 10 year span, DC's is about 15. But the point is that this is done to keep the characters young and fresh and current with current technology, WITH THE READERS. The fact STILL remains that all of the adventures the characters have before they are "renewed" still take place, and Cap has HUNDREDS of more fights under his belt than BP. Trying to say he only has "such and such" number of years versus "such and such" number of years of training is about as limp an argument as I've ever heard. That's almost as bad as the "BatMan Prep-time" argument.

Captain America is an ICON in the MU, both in the comic world and the real one, because he has been around since 1941! He has fought and stood toe-to-toe with every class of character there is, from Nazi Wehrmaacht soldiers to the likes of Thanos, and never backed down or run. His experience and confidence as a leader, a strategist, and a combat veteran is unmatched in the Marvel Universe, and he is the DEFINITION of the PERFECT human specimen. His fighting skills are the PEAK of the MU; look it up in the Marvel Directory. Panther has NO CHANCE!

Cap skins Panther and makes a throw rug and two bath towels out of him. BP is DONE.

Captain America would win here. Ok, lets review there statistics.

First of all, Black panther has a higher energy protection... which is something he has no need for in a fight with Captain. Hes a bit smarter, but smarts doesnt matter in a battle of fury and fists.
is that captain america has a 7 on fighting skills... and Black has 5... Captain is better at combat, but that wouldnt matter, Panther has a huge amount of things to counter with.

Now, as for special abilities,
Black panther has enhanced senses, strength, speed and agility.
Hes a accomplished gymnast and acrobat
He also is a expert tracker

Hes a master of various African martial arts
He has a bulletproof Vibranium bodysuit

He has a pair of Impact and sound-absorbing Vibranium-soled boots
He has Retractable Vibranium claws
and finally a Energy dagger... not good for captains energy resist levels.

Now, as for captain, he has got agility, strength, endurance and reaction time thatre superior to those of an Olympic-level athlete. Also, Cap has mastered a number of fighting forms, including American-style boxing and judo.
Combine all that with his indestructible shield, makes him one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known.

This is really close... Black panther has the weapons to take him out, but hes got some good moves... I have no idea on this match, Id say black panther, but only cause his claws can destroy that shield.

Circumstances. Every battle we've ever read within a comic book title has always had some sort of circumstance that lead to a characters victory regardless of whom he was facing. What I'm proposing is that we brainstorm and develop viable and REASONABLE circumstances under which we believe each prospective character would be most qualified to win. Something that's not too broad but also not so over the top that it excludes the characteristics and personality of that character. ( ie; Captain America & Black Panther wouldn't go out of his way to kill anyone considered a friend. ) And just to make it more difficult -- you can't merely write one for the character you support. You'd have to write a strong example for BOTH characters ( Captain America & Black Panther ) encompassing each of their listed abilities, strengths, weaknesses and so forth. Hopefully this will bring about some idea of how their fight could go. And remember their battles have involve circumstances in which they're meeting one on one, only.

Anyone interested?

Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
Circumstances. Every battle we've ever read within a comic book title has always had some sort of circumstance that lead to a characters victory regardless of whom he was facing. What I'm proposing is that we brainstorm and develop viable and REASONABLE circumstances under which we believe each prospective character would be most qualified to win. Something that's not too broad but also not so over the top that it excludes the characteristics and personality of that character. ( ie; Captain America & Black Panther [b]wouldn't go out of his way to kill anyone considered a friend. ) And just to make it more difficult -- you can't merely write one for the character you support. You'd have to write a strong example for BOTH characters ( Captain America & Black Panther ) encompassing each of their listed abilities, strengths, weaknesses and so forth. Hopefully this will bring about some idea of how their fight could go. And remember their battles have involve circumstances in which they're meeting one on one, only.

Anyone interested? [/B]

I'm game.

nice

Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
Captain America would win here. Ok, lets review there statistics.

First of all, Black panther has a higher energy protection... which is something he has no need for in a fight with Captain. Hes a bit smarter, but smarts doesnt matter in a battle of fury and fists.
is that captain america has a 7 on fighting skills... and Black has 5... Captain is better at combat, but that wouldnt matter, Panther has a huge amount of things to counter with.

I wouldn't go by the new Marvel Universe Abilities Rating System.
It's horribly innacurate. Wolverine and Spidey both have a strength
of 4. Spidey lifts 10 tons. Wolvie lifts 800 lbs. There are many other
examples of it's inaccuracy I can give you, but I have to go shovel snow now with my strength factor of 1.666

well its not meant to be accurate. It gives you an idea of their abilities. A strength rate of four is 800lbs to 25 tons. Spidey and Wolverine both fall into that category but everyone knows Spidey is stronger. All of the other categories are more accurate than stregth. Like intelligence, durability and speed.

havoc AWESOME pick

The only reason I think panther would win is those anti-metal claws....

http://img63.exs.cx/img63/5741/chaka15kx.jpg
http://img58.exs.cx/img58/9399/chaka24uj.jpg

hmm.... Cap won that one I think

No, it looks like an draw to me. Panther could put his claws through Cap's head anytime, and Cap could brake his neck anytime.

Originally posted by norrin radd
havoc AWESOME pick

Arghh, I found it first. 😄

He had fiber wire around Caps neck but I figure Cap could have broken Panthers neck before he was strangled... that seems like a win to me.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Arghh, I found it first. 😄

darkcrwler AWESOME pick, 😉