banksy...enough said
banksy...enough said
Originally posted by jaden101
banksy...enough said
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Originally posted by Alliance
No, it does not contradict.Explain how tagging involves skill, message, and thought.
Skill = hanging upside down off a ten story building and not hurting yourself or getting caught by the Police.
Message = Keep the **** off our turf esse
Thought = Keep the **** off our turf esse
Simple Blood. Big Up.
Originally posted by The Libertine
Skill = hanging upside down off a ten story building and not hurting yourself or getting caught by the Police.Message = Keep the **** off our turf esse
Thought = Keep the **** off our turf esse
Simple Blood. Big Up.
It might be simple blood, but you're going to have to explain it in simple english if you'd like the rest of us to understand.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, I rather think he came to that conclusion by opinion, Lil, not ignorance. I think it is rather vicious to try and write it off as such.Graffiti is inflicted upon people, on public property, whether they want it or not. And a very large amount do not. So it is entirely appropritate to label it criminal.
It is a wide term, of course, and if done in a more formal manner it has as much right to be art as anything else- but the modern day phenomenon of graffiti is a public nuisance.
Originally posted by The Libertine
Skill = hanging upside down off a ten story building and not hurting yourself or getting caught by the Police.Message = Keep the **** off our turf esse
Thought = Keep the **** off our turf esse
Simple Blood. Big Up.
It might be possible you are joking, but if not - that seems to reiterate the whole "tagging is generally a load of crap"
Skill - yes, driving up insurance and sending people into shock when a tagger plunges to his death isn't skillful. It has happened in Australia and all it does is cause heartache and trouble. Of course for that taggers news one of them got squashed by a train or fell of a bridge just makes it all the more exciting. Little thought for how the train driver who couldn't do anything as the train took out the tagger felt about the whole thing.
Generally when I think great art I think the art itself, not the stupid, dangerous ways in which an artist went about making it.
Message & Thought - since gangs or groups don't own parts of a city, beyond their own homes, they have no right to be proclaiming such things in an eyesore of a way, upon others property. It isn't their turf.
Really I think intent and the like is important. Graffiti art is just that - graffiti art. Back in my old home town there was an area filled with walls put their specifically for graffiti use. And some artists made the most amazing images - I would call them art. They'd come in, and it would be mind blowing. Of course it was disgusting when some amazing piece would then be defaced because some person "tagged" all over it - nothing more then scrawled names and things that read like badly spelled rap lyircs.
If a person has artistic intentions and it is legal then graffiti art can be pretty amazing. Tagging some Asian shop keepers store front or messing up the inside of a train is not art. It is damaging property, it is little more then thoughtless destruction, even more so when it is some scrawl like my little brother used to make on paper back in kindergarded - which is exactly what a lot of tags look like. It is simply the taggers trying to add legitimacy to their pointless rebellion or gang pride by making out society is out to get them by persecuting their "art."
Originally posted by homer2.0
grafitt is not a crime cause it's cool. plus just cause it's outside the museum doesn't make it a crime wtf tony blair, hardass. plus some of the pictures look pretty awesome
"Because it's cool" - yes, legal systems should run on "coolness" factors, shouldn't they? I have heard stealing a car, going hooning and then dumping it is considered extremely cool by some... that is the people stealing the car, not the people whose car has been stolen.
Just like graffiti is cool for those doing it, not always for those whose property is vandalised, those who have to clean it off and those who have to see ugly scrawls all over walls and trains.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
"Because it's cool" - yes, legal systems should run on "coolness" factors, shouldn't they? I have heard stealing a car, going hooning and then dumping it is considered extremely cool by some... that is the people stealing the car, not the people whose car has been stolen.
tagging is an art..it depends what type of tagging someone is doing
watch the movie "Style Wars"...it's a class documentary about tagging in nyc in the 70's and 80's. It explores this exact same subject and after I watched it I came to the conclusion that depending on what kind of tags are done it is an artform
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
"Because it's cool" - yes, legal systems should run on "coolness" factors, shouldn't they? I have heard stealing a car, going hooning and then dumping it is considered extremely cool by some... that is the people stealing the car, not the people whose car has been stolen.Just like graffiti is cool for those doing it, not always for those whose property is vandalised, those who have to clean it off and those who have to see ugly scrawls all over walls and trains.
Thats why graffitti artists need to be more sensative about what they are doing. If you're gonna paint a traincar, do something nice...not bubble letters.
I prefer to use temporary media, charchol or spraychalk. Don't piss people off as much.
Originally posted by Alliance
Thats why graffitti artists need to be more sensative about what they are doing. If you're gonna paint a traincar, do something nice...not bubble letters.I prefer to use temporary media, charchol or spraychalk. Don't piss people off as much.
Exactly. Hell, often over here bubble letters can seem high class compared to the "intelligible scrawl" that is so popular amongst the youth who do it.
Generally I like the real graffiti artists who do amazing things in their medium. I have little love for the down and out taggers, especially the uncreative kind.
Originally posted by Alliance
Explain how tagging involves skill, message, and thought.
Skill? Because not everyone can do it. Not everyone can create a beautiful mural, placa, or even a simple two-tone word without screwing up by accidently leaving excess paint which cause it to slugde (build up) and ruins the entire thing. Can you?
There's always a message behind tagging words, phrases and symbols. Hell, even murals, which are mainly for visual appeal, often have a message behind them. And they're typically subtitled.
^ Which also includes and encourages thought.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
does "tagging" to you mean gang tags, or simply an artist expressing themselves?
Yes. But like many other aspects of gang culture, tagging has crossed-over from it and has become popular among civillians (non-gangsters).
But so you know; yes, tagging has its origins with gangs.
I think it depends on the type of graffiti. If we are talking about tagging, this is in no way 'art', because, quite frankly, it looks like a mess. (Actually, it IS a mess)
Other graffiti, in my opinion, is fantastic.
On the rare (and I mean rare) occasions in which I travel by train to Melbourne, I often see graffiti, often on old warehouses, people's old, wooden gates, and the backs of shops/stores. Much of it is tagging, just scrawl. A name, or nickname, as if to say, 'I was here, this is my mark'. It looks awful.
However, sometimes I see graffiti that, honestly, blows me away. The use of color, pattern. Not everyone would see it the way I do, and that is understandable. Sometimes I wonder about the kids who do this. Are they aware they have such a talent for art?
Perhaps, in some minds, graffiti isn't art, but many graffiti 'artists' do have a talent. I would love if these kids had a place to show it off.
Such ideas have been thrown around for ages, but nothing ever come of it. If these kids had somewhere to go, somewhere to graffiti as much as they liked, maybe we wouldn't have so much of it. 🙂