Black Panther versus Batman.

It has more than often been stated that each character is adept in various martial arts. But that's such a vague statement that no definite conclusion has been made as to how many arts exactly each is fluent in. Apparently Black Panther and Batman are duly qualified in skill to match one another in a lengthy confrontation. That has never been in question with me. Yes, Batman is a formidable adversary in this case but I believe when he's facing an opponent who matches him in most areas ( Intelligence, Skill, Resources ) and outmatches him in others ( Strength, Speed, Agility, Durability ) then he's got a big problem. If you READ both characters you can see their similarities when concerning their dealings with various characters. Batman is without a doubt one of the best but Panther is just that much better.

very well put, i agree

Batman is tied in the polls now. 💃

It's not surprising. A fan vote would more than likely end with Batman winning. I've always said that. He's a more widely known and more popular character. Popular characters tend to win. Example; Wolverine defeating Lobo.

Or Wonder Woman losing to Storm.

Poor Ignorant, Masses.

Most people I ask said that they thought Storm could beat Wonderwoman. But I was disappointed in that fight also.

Both DC and Marvel have agreed that Captain America and Batman are equal in fighting skill.

Batman's fighing skill=Captain America's fighting skill>Black Panther's fighting skill.

Kilmonger beats the hell out of BP, a perfect example of an unenhanced human getting the victory over Black Panther on fighting skill alone. Truth is he that herb only makes him what Batman already is. That's why Batman's tied in the polls now, your arguements just keep getting weeker and weeker.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Both DC and Marvel have agreed that Captain America and Batman are equal in fighting skill.

Batman's fighing skill=Captain America's fighting skill>Black Panther's fighting skill.

Kilmonger beats the hell out of BP, a perfect example of an unenhanced human getting the victory over Black Panther on fighting skill alone. Truth is he that herb only makes him what Batman already is. That's why Batman's tied in the polls now, your arguements just keep getting weeker and weeker.

Unenhanced? Your information is somewhat skewed. Kilmonger when he defeated King T'Challa and assumed control as both King of Wakanda and head of the Panther cult was in fact genetically enhanced. ( references; Black Panther vol. 2 #19,20,21,22,23, 61. ) He specifically went out of his way to alter his genetic make up in order to defeat T'Challa which was previously impossible considering they'd always come to somewhat of a stalemate in battle. Kilmonger even stooped as low as to use the Mandarin's power rings to take on Black Panther and was still thwarted. ( Black Panther vol. 1 "War and Remembrance." ) Kilmonger didn't beat the hell out of T'Challa until Black Panther vol. 2 when his body had been considerably boosted. His strength and endurance levels were ultimately superior to T'Challa's. And even then Panther had been influenced by outside parties when Everette Ross disturbed him allowing Kilmonger the time to deliver a final blow.

That's crap. The heart shaped herb has granted T'Challa super human senses and abilities that far surpass the abilities of Batman's training. The herbs are not only an enhancement of the BODY but they give him a spiritual strength and connection to the Panther God. ( Black Panther Limited series 1988 #1-4 ) Does Batman have a sense of smell that rivals that of Wolverine? Does Batman have the ability to see in the dark without the aid of technological enhancements? Black Panther as I've stated before is stronger, faster, more agile and more durable than Batman. He's got all of these obvious advantages as well as matches the man in intelligence and skill. Seeing is believeing. Buy some Black Panther comics and compare them the Batman from HUSH. Batman isn't all that durable and all it took for him to be out of the game was a FALL which Panther would have easily walked away from.

His fighting potential has allowed him to take on fighters such as Kilmonger, Iron Fist, Red Skull, Captain America. All fights in which he's either won or left in a stalemate. FYI; All battles between Captain America and Black Panther HAVE been stalemates. A clear winner was never defined due to outside interferences. Also, all Christopher Priest BP comics state he's never been bested in hand to hand save by Erik Kilmonger. He's just as skilled if not more than Captain America or Batman. Even the current writer of Black Panther ( Reginald Hudlin ) stated that he'd be introducing a Black Panther who was tougher than Captain America. And like it or not whatever a writer states is a neigh comic book fact. The future of the Black Panther will apparently hold more weight than it use to according to Joe Quesada. Who's to say in the next several months he doesn't show a fighting potential or skill potential that over laps Batman's? You say my arguments are weak? I think many agree that my points are clear and have some substance.

That weak enough for you?

Now to prove of the batman being smarter, was it not in justice league titled Justice Lords had batman build and interdimesion device. In which one could see the dimension of the current justice league in real time as in live tv.

You see this is why batman is known as the greatest detective. Because he makes it his business to know everything.
When I still see all these power attributes that you guys give the panther it makes me thing of a mercenary who on one occasion beat the batman badly. (Coming to batman's defence "When have you guys known batman to talk through a fight only bent on the bad guy to turn himself in?"And this is a person who has been one of the worse mercenary that ever crossed the path of the teen titans.Who on more than one occasion beat the hell out of Night-Wing.)

The reason why I mention deathstroke is because he is kind of the opposite of Captain America. Deathstrokes own serum gave him immortality and made him smarter he never goes into any situation without a back up plan. He can take small arms fire. His best accomplishment taking down half of the Justice league. In Justice League: Identity Crisis.

All what the panther is, deathstroke matches it point for point, Panther has cat like senses (as he has boasted on so many occasions), while deathstroke has immortality, and he is around the.... genius... level?

My point is since their initial encounter batman has taken deathstroke to the cleaners. One way or another. The second reason is deathstroke has enhance everything and still this does not help him much against batman.

So now you can see why I cannot see Black Panther beating batman because of his "enhance abilities."

And this one is directed to havoc470 I did say that batman's suit was destroyed by darksied.... right Or did I say something else? And batman's suit can block his heart beat from the likes of superman Justice league comics titled New World Order. Guest starring the Hyperclans.

Batman's fighting skills is way more superior than that of Black Panther. Can Black Panther best an Amazonian Warrior in hand combat Or better yet who has the panther faced and have defeated that is close in power as an Amazonian warrior?
I seem to remember a Trinity that is between batman, superman , and wonderwoman the villain in this case was none other than Ra's Al Ghul. Controlling Bizzaro Superman, Artemis (Amazonian), Giganta. His goal was to take over thermiscira and proceed to cleanse the world.The first boubt had batman beaten but the second was in batman's favor.

And it had been said that batman and wonder woman sparing and batman is getting the best of her until she begins to use her powers case in point flight. In order words which one of the two posses the ability to fly?

You see batman most be doing something right to that Kelvar his to be able to take punches from wounder woman and pre crisis superman; for those of you who do not know, this encounter occurred in Superman Batman #'s 1 to 5. I know I am sorry but I will dig in some more so as to give the exact copy in which this instance occurred. I know most of you are going to deem this stupid because batman does not have anything in his possession to protect him against a pissed off pre crisis superman. Because he is only human. 😄

To be honest, I don't know that much about the Black Panther than what I've seen in the Avengers and the new Marvel Official Handbook

Panther has taken down Iron Fist, one of the predominant martial artists in the Marvel Universe. He took down Iron Man in 5 minutes. Then a future version of T'Challa, with severe brain trauma took down Iron Man again, in a suit specially designed against Panther. In his first encounter with the Fantastic Four he had them dead to rights until Wyatt Wingfoot interferred. Those are just a couple that I remember. He's taken on Namor and Magneto. Faced possibilities of war with Atlantis, Lemuria, Genosha and Latveria. Then he beat a monsterfully powerful Klaw.

There's a link I posted to a site that details some of his outstanding feats, if you want to search for it.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Batman's fighting skills is way more superior than that of Black Panther. Can Black Panther best an Amazonian Warrior in hand combat Or better yet who has the panther faced and have defeated that is close in power as an Amazonian warrior?
I seem to remember a Trinity that is between batman, superman , and wonderwoman the villain in this case was none other than Ra's Al Ghul. Controlling Bizzaro Superman, Artemis (Amazonian), Giganta. His goal was to take over thermiscira and proceed to cleanse the world.The first boubt had batman beaten but the second was in batman's favor.

And it had been said that batman and wonder woman sparing and batman is getting the best of her until she begins to use her powers case in point flight. In order words which one of the two posses the ability to fly?

Far superior? It was stated that Batman was on par with Captain America in fighting skill. Correct? Well guess what? According to Christopher Priest's rendition of the Black Panther -- the only one to have bested T'Challa in a hand to hand fight has been Erik Kilmonger. Read the comics. That means he's never officially been defeated by Captain America considering that most of their fights have ended in stalemates. What does that say Batman vs. Black Panther? I'd say it show their skills are about the same since Black Panther can hold Captain America at a stalemate.

Can Black Panther best someone who's not unlike Wonder Woman in power? Certainly. Black Panther has gone head to head with Mephisto ( Black Panther vol. 2 #1-5) , The Inhumans ( Karnak, Medusa, Gorgon ), The Fantastic Four, The Supremacists ( Black Panther limited series 1988 #1-4 ), The NEW WARRIORS ( Contest of Champions II ), IRON FIST ( Black Panther vol. 2 #39 ), Iron Man...etc. All confrontations which he has won. And there are far more. Black Panther is just as skilled if not more than Batman. Even Captain America gives his respect to the Panther's abilities and never underestimates his resourcefulness. He's got all the tools needed and more to go head to head with Batman and win.

You see batman most be doing something right to that Kelvar his to be able to take punches from wounder woman and pre crisis superman; for those of you who do not know, this encounter occurred in Superman Batman #'s 1 to 5. I know I am sorry but I will dig in some more so as to give the exact copy in which this instance occurred. I know most of you are going to deem this stupid because batman does not have anything in his possession to protect him against a pissed off pre crisis superman. Because he is only human. 😄

I have no doubt that Batman is a skilled warrior but there's nothing firm that states his skills are beyond those of the Black Panther. Absolutely nothing. I still believe it evident that each man is just as skilled, intelligent and resourceful as one another. Until Batman is able to fly, lift a truck or have heat vision I doubt anything will change that matter. But it is fact that Panther is stronger, faster, more agile and much more durable than Batman. And you have to realize that yes, Batman would defeat a VILLAIN in a comic and most DC heroes. But Panther is Batman's equivalent in most every area. It'd be like the Batman fighting a version of himself. One that has enhanced senses and a larger bank account. It'd be a CLOSE fight but I still envision Black Panther winning this bout, logically. In a FAN vote, Batman will always win, regardless.

Anyone checking out the Black Panther issue coming next month?

great, its 21-21. Tied.

Seems Batman is catching up in the fan vote.

Of course he is. It shouldn't be a surprise at all. Out of a room of ten people I could guarantee that 10/10 know who Batman is. Maybe 4/10 know who Black Panther is, if that. I mean damn -- the Batman has a line of UNDERWEAR. I doubt Black Panther even has a T-Shirt or a poster. He's less exposed and therefore less popular and known. The fan vote will always swing his way. It was even enough to have him beat Superman and from what I read on various threads -- the Hulk as well? Batman is for all purposes a GOD. In his own right.

Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
Anyone checking out the Black Panther issue coming next month?

Definitely. One of the titles that I'm really looking forward to.

Read what this says...and understand Black Panther more.

The print is too small to read.

" The guy doesn't owe us any explanations! The cat suit isn't a " costume " -- it's a habit -- a ceremonial vestment of tribal rank. "

" He's not Captain America. He's not Iron Man. He doesn't answer to you. He's Namor without the attitude - and,hey, I don't see you dragging Namor in for blasted inquires. "
He's only here out of respect for the Nation and this committee. I think we as a people have been looking at the Black Panther backwards for years now. "

" He is one of the greatest men of our time. One of the world's most brilliant thinkers. He is a spiritual man of peace. We have no leverage -- political or economic -- over him. If you kick him out of Dodge it won't make any difference to him or his Nation. "

" We will be the only losers. All of us. Because, if you look beyond the political and media hype -- if you look beyond the larger than life adventures. His status predicates -- beyond race -- "

" If you look beyond the mask -- you will find a man of great compassion and great nobility. Heroism, to be sure, but much more than that. " -- Everett K. Ross to United States.