Alright Nathaniel Grey, truth is I have been lazy. I won't post anything else at all without backing it up. But only if you stop mentioning HUSH. and not just because it hurts my arguements, but because it does so unfairly.
HUSH isn't a story that defines the Bat at all, and I think it is being used in excess and unfairly. If you look at the bigger picture in a few years people won't even remember the name of the writer and will barely remember the story, instead they will remember that it was the Batman Comic with Jim Lee artwork. I could just as easily start digging and find some comics that don't portray Black Panther the way you are making him out to be, I don't think that's the point.
Unfair? Man. Everytime someone mentions ( Pre-Christopher Priest ) Panther I think that's pretty unfair. Especially considering that was a time when he wasn't exactly at the top of his game. And believe me EVERYONE has mentioned ( Pre-Christopher Priest ) Panther time and again using those examples to describe the characters abilities which match nothing of his capabilities as of today. So dig away. Everyone else already has and continues to do so without hesitation. I don't mind the challenge. And as both Batman and Black Panther have stated; " I use everything to my advantage...everything.."
FYI; I have the utmost respect for those I debate with -- especially those people who convey their views with a measure of decency and factual knowledge. You get props for handling your views without wavering. I respect that.
P.S. I still believe Batman would get his ass handed to him. Black Panther might fall out from exhaustion but he'd STILL down the Batman.
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Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
Unfair? Man. Everytime someone mentions ( Pre-Christopher Priest ) Panther I think that's pretty unfair. Especially considering that was a time when he wasn't exactly at the top of his game. And believe me EVERYONE has mentioned ( Pre-Christopher Priest ) Panther time and again using those examples to describe the characters abilities which match nothing of his capabilities as of today. So dig away. Everyone else [b]already has and continues to do so without hesitation. I don't mind the challenge. And as both Batman and Black Panther have stated; " I use everything to my advantage...everything.."FYI; I have the utmost respect for those I debate with -- especially those people who convey their views with a measure of decency and factual knowledge. You get props for handling your views without wavering. I respect that.
P.S. I still believe Batman would get his ass handed to him. Black Panther might fall out from exhaustion but he'd STILL down the Batman.
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But I haven't mentioned old Panther. Right now all is well and good for you but in six months when some panzy writer gets his hands on Panther and you're disgusted with the results you'll remember this. It's not the Panther you're argueing victory for, the same way it's not the Batman I'm argueing victory for.
Originally post by Nathaniel Grey
Btw. You never answered my question. What comic book and issue number did Superman punch Batman? Please answer it.
First I did answer your question in my earlier post, by using the words "In a superman batman comic. "
The comic book (Superman/Batman) and issue number (2) where a Kingdom Come superman Punched and or hit Batman across the batcave, and into his batmobile.
Again the comic book is Superman/Batman #2 where superman punched Batman. This superman/batman comic is a superman comic book since as one of superman's titles was being canceled. In short this is not a batman title.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
First I did answer your question in my earlier post, by using the words "In a superman batman comic. "The comic book (Superman/Batman) and issue number (2) where a Kingdom Come superman Punched and or hit Batman across the batcave, and into his batmobile.
Again the comic book is Superman/Batman #2 where superman punched Batman. This superman/batman comic is a superman comic book since as one of superman's titles was being canceled. In short this is not a batman title.
Worlds Finest? The issue where Superman is weakened by Kryptonite?
All I've been attempting to prove is that Black Panther is in the same grade/league as Batman/Captain America. One singular win on his part does not prove superiority to Captain America but it DOES prove that he's just as capable and as skilled as Captain America which is all I basically wanted. Besides. You don't know the extent of their experiences here. Besides I assume that if this was the result of them both being " inexperienced " as you put it. I'm sure the results wouldn't differ is BOTH of them gained a considerable amount of experienced.
FYI; That's more than likely T'Chaka and not T'Challa. T'Challa was said to be even a GREATER warrior than his father. Good thing the thread says Captain America vs. BLACK PANTHER, eh? Lol.
Perhaps the actual importance of that picture escapes you. Captain America is said to be physically superior to Batman, correct? Well apparently Black Panther ( T'Chaka ) and Captain America are EQUALS since he did take Captain America DOWN in a long and grueling battle. And considering that T'Challa in his early days ( 19 years old Black Panther : Panther's Prey #1-4 ) was an even GREATER fighter than his father only proves T'Challa is more than likely Captain America's equal in physical prowess as well. Not to mention he's neigh Batman's equal in resources, ingenuity and intelligence. That leads to one conclusion. That Black Panther is in essence a combatant who would WITHOUT A DOUBT hold it down against Batman and Cap with a likely victory. And since his suit gives him an OBVIOUS edge even along with his already EQUAL physical attributes it shows that he's got the advantage, don't you think? But again, it'd all come down to a popularity contest in which Batman would win. I know it. You know it. We ALL know it.
Ask for the pics presented by Crawler I asked my self, where is the round shield. If this is T'Chaka then I agree with him beating the Capt. because I have a deep respect for our elders. And being that T'chaka is the elder of both T'challa and Capt. he won his battle becasue of experience. Aganist an inexperience Capt. America.
Please do not take this the wrong way but Batman and Captain America will all ways take the front page when ever something like this is involved.Whether fan votes are present or not.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Ask for the pics presented by Crawler I asked my self, where is the round shield. If this is T'Chaka then I agree with him beating the Capt. because I have a deep respect for our elders. And being that T'chaka is the elder of both T'challa and Capt. he won his battle becasue of experience. Aganist an inexperience Capt. America.Please do not take this the wrong way but Batman and Captain America will all ways take the front page when ever something like this is involved.Whether fan votes are present or not.
I agree. Batman and Captain America would most likely come out on top due to their POPULARITY. People know who each of those characters are -- Batman even more so since he's been shoved down our throats over the past TWO decades. There's always been either a Batman tv show, movie, several comics, cartoon, video game, toys...etc. So Batman has notoriety on his side. But as far as CHARACTERS go and resources...etc. He's still one upped by Black Panther in my opinion.
Btw. Captain America and T'Chaka were ROUGHLY around the same age during that time. I would assume. T'Chaka wasn't exactly an old man nor was he use to fighting someone who was on his level of strength, speed...etc. Especially not with him having the heart shaped herb. It was a fair battle considering they'd gone at it for hours on end. And Cap was no ROOKIE.
I agree. Batman and Captain America would most likely come out on top due to their POPULARITY. People know who each of those characters are -- Batman even more so since he's been shoved down our throats over the past TWO decades. There's always been either a Batman tv show, movie, several comics, cartoon, video game, toys...etc. So Batman has notoriety on his side. But as far as
I said despite fan vote batman is still one up on Black panther. Your role of thought is Black Panther is has enhance strenght an as such he should be able to beat the batman since as he is only human. Where you and I know that batman has spent his carreer dispite being outnumbered in terms of everthing physical he still manages to put ahurting on his foe. And further more batman time and time again have proved himself capable of taking care of himself.
Now on the case of being ruthless batman is not as ruthless as Black panther. But there is a reason because of the people who he surrounds himself with keep's him in check. Alfred have said time and again that batman is always at the point of crossing that thin line between good and evil. And batman holds himself back. Just like how superman tries to control his power.
And what is your basis on this even that T'chaka and Captain America were of the same or close to the same age when they fought?
Originally posted by lifeisaglichWTH? Anyone can say the same thing about BP. He defeated so many of his foes.
[B]I said despite fan vote batman is still one up on Black panther. Your role of thought is Black Panther is has enhance strenght an as such he should be able to beat the batman since as he is only human. Where you and I know that batman has spent his carreer dispite being outnumbered in terms of everthing physical he still manages to put ahurting on his foe. And further more batman time and time again have proved himself capable of taking care of himself.
Now on the case of being ruthless batman is not as ruthless as Black panther. But there is a reason because of the people who he surrounds himself with keep's him in check. Alfred have said time and again that batman is always at the point of crossing that thin line between good and evil. And batman holds himself back. Just like how superman tries to control his power.This gives more reason of BP winning. He is more ruthless and will do anything to win.
WTH? Anyone can say the same thing about BP. He defeated so many of his foes.
Yeah, but which one of them is using enhancement do-thats to help him in his fight? And which one of them is accomplishing the same feats without any enhancements do-thats in his fight?
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
Worlds Finest? The issue where Superman is weakened by Kryptonite?
Superman/Batman is not a world finest, this is a new superman comic, it came out last year 2004. Or are you using world finest to describe superman and batman?