Black Panther versus Batman.

Started by Nathaniel Grey66 pages

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Yeah, but which one of them is using enhancement do-thats to help him in his fight? And which one of them is accomplishing the same feats without any enhancements do-thats in his fight?

Both of them. Batman normally uses many of his gadgets to aid him in the defeat of villains who normally he couldn't physically take. I consider his gadgetry an " enhancement " especially since they allow him to perform feats he otherwise could not. It's not like Batman has run around fighting all of his rogue's with just his BARE hands. He uses his technology to aid him. Batman's an awesome fighter but there's no way he could take on the people he does without his performance enhancements. Do you seriously believe that Batman single handedly without a single gadget could take on Bane, Croc, Frieze or anyone else? While he doesn't SOLEY depend on them -- they are an intricate part of his performance against a villain. Not different than T'Challa's enhancements.

Superman/Batman is not a world finest, this is a new superman comic, it came out last year 2004. Or are you using world finest to describe superman and batman?

I know which issue you're talking about. And yes, I was using it as a description. I was wondering if it was; Superman & Batman "World's Finest, Part 2: Early Warning" Wasn't Superman WEAKENED by Kryptonite in that issue?

Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
Both of them. Batman normally uses many of his gadgets to aid him in the defeat of villains who normally he couldn't physically take. I consider his gadgetry an " enhancement " especially since they allow him to perform feats he otherwise could not. It's not like Batman has run around fighting all of his rogue's with just his BARE hands. He uses his technology to aid him. Batman's an awesome fighter but there's no way he could take on the people he does without his performance enhancements. Do you seriously believe that Batman single handedly without a single gadget could take on Bane, Croc, Frieze or anyone else? While he doesn't SOLEY depend on them -- they are an intricate part of his performance against a villain. Not different than T'Challa's enhancements.

Ok, I can see where I went wrong in my earier question. So let me revise it.

Which one of the two fighters have both gadgets, and enhancements to fight his bad guys? And which one of the two have gadgets but no enhancements and still fight people as strong as the guy with enhancements?

Good question. I must say you guys are debating this fight very well. I make it a habit to come back on a daily basis just to see who is getting the edge.

Cap was to inexpeirenced when he fought T'chaka.

Batman knows the deadliest martial arts, he just doesn't use them. Using his incapacitating techniques would probably be an edge in this fight due to BP's suit. Not much pressure is needed to make use of a pressure point or soft spot.

Batman vs. Black Panther

Who wins?

Black Panther is in essence Marvel's version of the Batman. Dark, brooding, powerful, wealthy beyond comprehension, and obsessed. Obsessed to the extent that he always has a back-up plan for a back-up plan.
I believe the only reason Black Panther joined the Avengers at first was so as to collect information on the respective powers of its members.
This strikes a chord with Batman having detailed files on each of the JLA members (information that was used by Rhas Al Ghul to bring down the entire JLA - and information that had Batman expelled from the league for a while).
The Black Panther has greater resources, but Batman is one of the wealthiest people in DC.
Black Panther has more strength, due to his consumption of the Wakanda herb. He is also skilled in a variety of martial arts. Batman is basically at Olympic level strength ability (though obviously this is beneath the Wakandan's augmented strength), but Batman makes up for this by being more exposed (both intensively and extensively) to martial skills. Batman, after all, is adept in 127 styles.
Black Panther is ruthless as heck. He beats up his opponents hard - and even though they might not necessarily die they often wish they had. Batman is similar in his ruthlessness. The only person who probbaly exceeds his POTENTIAL in DC in the Martian Manhunter (who in JLA: Trial by Fire basically beat every member of the JLA, read the thoughts of every person on earth - let's see Xavier try that - mentally controlled nuclear power countries to launch their ICBMs, and evolved into what Superman, Green Lantern, and the Guardians of Oa described as the most powerful being on Earth, easy). And when it comes to fighting Batman also beats his opponents to an inch of their lives.
In intelligence Batman is by far the Wakandan's better. Batman is a genius, easy, and not just in one aspect. Batman is a genius in everything from arithmetic to combat stratagems, and it could easily be said that Batman's mind is his greatest (and maybe only) weapon - especially when one looks at some of the opponents he faces. He has not defeated Superman several times because he is strong - but because he is smart. And in the JLA:Trial by Fire the world would have been destroyed hadn't it been for Batman managing to have a deep-cover stratagem with Plastic Man (who was the only person in the world who couldn't be controlled by the Martian MAnhunter - since his mind was in a state of constant flux). But in the same breath it can be said that Black Panther is NOT a dunce. He is exceptionally bright, and skilled in many mental disciplines. Thus, while Batman may be beyond him, Black Panther is not a slouch.
When it comes to using their wealth to further their goals they are both quite adept at that. Black Panther caused a world-wide financial crash with but a mere phone call. That is true power! True power. Batman, while not being able to as easly cause financial turmoil, is still a player in the fiscal markets. And he has managed to use Wayne Indsutry technology in everything from next-gen weapons and tech to satellites that are in geo-synchronous orbit above Gotham.
Basically it boils down to this.
Both characters are equal.
Black Panther has definite strength and wealth advantages, but it is not as if Batman is a paltry weakling or a sobbing beggar!
Batman has intelligence and willpower advantaged, but it is not as if Black Panther is a college dropout or weak-willed!
And in a fight you can count on them using everything in their possession and sphere of influence to defeat the other.
Honestly, the only way to judge this fight is to call it a draw. If the two ever fought (without holding back) you can be sure of one thing: the world would suffer. Especially financial markers(Wayne Industries is in every single global market and virtually all major countries), metal futures (someone say Vibranium, which is the most important metal and greatly valued everywhere). And knowing the two i'm sure they both have at least one ICBM each (Batman would say it is just in case he needed to destroy an Alien fleet, and Black Panther would claim it was for 'experimental purposes'😉. Both of these characters are quite obsessed, and there level of paranoia knows no bounds!
Hence this is a draw.
There is no way anyone could call it differently.
Infact they might just succeed in doing what no other has managed to .....that is, they'd probably KILL each other.

Uhh? Do you have a life man? Thats insane... I hope you copied some of that...

Anti Metal claws takes the match!

1) Great battle, CountQuan. I wouldn't be surprised if it was done before on this board, since it's a logical battle to have. But it's still your best fight yet.

2)I don't need to add a single thought - Spetnaz (and whatever his source is) said it perfectly.

3) ok, maybe I"ll add one thought - I'll give the edge to Black Panther by a hair. His stats are more on par with Cap than with Batman. That will make the biggest difference.

this is even tough for me even I cant decide

who voted for neither???

I give it to Batman. He's a cheating bastard. He'll use really nasty gadgets. It would be really close though.

then why did Panther's vote go up?

*shrugs* They like him better? You don't have to post to vote. I do it all the time.

I think DD would win more then he loses against Batman so that pretty much insures a Black Panther victory.

Spetnaz, did you vote for neither

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think DD would win more then he loses against Batman so that pretty much insures a Black Panther victory.

Daredevil would lose. Sonic weapons and vomit gas disorients DD's senses enabling Batman to KO him. Like I said Batman doesn't play fair.

Who cares?? Stop acting like a normal member of this site who never votes for the obvious loser.
I say Panther. Didn'tvote though. He is my personal fav. and as spetznaz said (is there anything he didn't say?? lol) he is Marvel's Bat's. It comes down to the belt vs. the claws. I'm almost positive that the 'marangs' are mostly metal, so those are useless... so I say panther

Sonic weapons really aren't that effective against Dare Devil as he doesn't have a litteral "radar sense". Plus Dare Devil has a physical edge on Batman and Panther has a phsyical edge on DD so....

WHY ARE WE TALKIN ABOUT DAREDEVIL WHEN THIS THREAD IS DESIGNED FOR BLACK PANTHER AND BATMAN?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sonic weapons really aren't that effective against Dare Devil as he doesn't have a litteral "radar sense". Plus Dare Devil has a physical edge on Batman and Panther has a phsyical edge on DD so....

Sonic weapons emit REALLY loud sounds. Daredevil has REALLY good hearing. Daredevil has a REALLY good sense of smell. Tear gas REALLY smells bad. Do the math. And the vomit gas would really suck for Daredevil.