The Bible

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Re: The Bible?

Originally posted by sailormoon
I've gone through a lot of stages when it comes to religion. And I've made a lot of progress I believe. My relaionship wih God is very much improved. But there are a few things I'm confused about though.

the Bible for one thing. Is believing in the Bible and God the same thing? I wonder sometimes. Some of the things that the Bible says...just don't sound like the things that would come from the God I imagine. Such as gay people for example. Does the Bible really say it's wrong? And if so, why? I undersand homosexual couples cannot produce but there are so many of them with sincere feelings for each other. And if the're not supposed to feel that way...I don't know...It's just some of the things the Bible sas God would send people to Hell for don't sound like the God I imagine when I think of him. And the Bible was written by man...and translated many times...so that is also confusing...

So my main question is, is believing in God he same thing as believing in the Bible?

The main reason I actually turned away from Christianity was because I started actually reading the Bible for myself, instead of relying on what I was taught in Catholic school, and I realized that the God of the Bible was nothing like the Loving God I imagined him to be.

The "God" of the Bible is a sexist, hypocritical, homophobic, jealous, violent, immature, angry god.

There is no denying it, if you actually read the Bible and see what it says.

Re: Re: The Bible?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali

The "God" of the Bible is a sexist, hypocritical, homophobic, jealous, violent, immature, angry god.

There is no denying it, if you actually read the Bible and see what it says.

He's a hippie comapred to war-loving, child-loving, Jew butchering Mohamed and his 'god' Allah in the Quran.

Re: Re: Re: The Bible?

Originally posted by 42ndStreetFreak
He's a hippie comapred to war-loving, child-loving, Jew butchering Mohamed and his 'god' Allah in the Quran.

o0o0o0o0o I agree 👆

Allah makes Yahweh look like Princess Diana

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Bible?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
o0o0o0o0o I agree 👆

Allah makes Yahweh look like Princess Diana

Funny thing is they're the same. There are passages in the Quaran that talk about the same things as those of the Bible, like adam and eve.

Originally posted by sailormoon
I've gone through a lot of stages when it comes to religion. And I've made a lot of progress I believe. My relaionship wih God is very much improved. But there are a few things I'm confused about though.

the Bible for one thing. Is believing in the Bible and God the same thing? I wonder sometimes. Some of the things that the Bible says...just don't sound like the things that would come from the God I imagine. Such as gay people for example. Does the Bible really say it's wrong? And if so, why? I undersand homosexual couples cannot produce but there are so many of them with sincere feelings for each other. And if the're not supposed to feel that way...I don't know...It's just some of the things the Bible sas God would send people to Hell for don't sound like the God I imagine when I think of him. And the Bible was written by man...and translated many times...so that is also confusing...

So my main question is, is believing in God he same thing as believing in the Bible?

Well, let me get help from Doug Stanhope to answer that:

YouTube video

Listen to him, he makes good points, maybe it will really enlighten you. Don't be offended by his harsh language.

wow, I forgot about this thread. Anyways, I still dont believe the Bible to be the truth.

92 people are idiots.

🙁

Well most the current bibles have been altered and changed so much in order to give the churches more power its hard to imagine its as true as the original, gods name has been removed for a start. The Jerusalem Bible is probably the closest you´ll get. Or the link below is good with many translations, original Hebrew and Greek so you can compare.

http://biblebrowser.com/

Re: The Bible: did the Bible evolve over billions of years?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did the Bible evolve over billions of years? Why or why not. Why do some people believe that this is not possible. I do not believe that the Bible evolved in any way, I am just making a point. Why do you believe that the Bible could not evolve? I

The bible was written by man inspired by the word of God. Man is not billions of years old. Inanimate objects do not evolve. The Bible has however, changed with the powers that have reigned over society. It has been traslated hundreds of times, pages and entire books from the Bible have been removed.The only thing that has evolved around the Bible, are the intentions of the people whom preach the Bible.

So no, it has not evolved, God might have enolved, but he is infallable (perfect) so the Bible tells us, so he too as not evolved. Personally though, i think God is ever changing. If nature has taught us anything, its that perfection is only achieved through change.

Re: Re: The Bible: did the Bible evolve over billions of years?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
The bible was written by man inspired by the word of God. Man is not billions of years old. Inanimate objects do not evolve. The Bible has however, changed with the powers that have reigned over society. It has been traslated hundreds of times, pages and entire books from the Bible have been removed.The only thing that has evolved around the Bible, are the intentions of the people whom preach the Bible.

So no, it has not evolved, God might have enolved, but he is infallable (perfect) so the Bible tells us, so he too as not evolved. Personally though, i think God is ever changing. If nature has taught us anything, its that perfection is only achieved through change.

God is the Universe.

The Universe grows, and changes, and is filled with plentiful diversity.

I agree with you that god is ever changing, and that it grows as we grow, it evolves as we evolve.

Originally posted by Shelbert Lemon
personally i think at one time it may have been fact but over the many years it has been rewritten to what man wants you to believe is Gods word..........

now at this point its a collection of fiction of stories put together by man .

***Hasn't the Bible been rewritten so many times that we can't trust it anymore?

This is a common misconception. Some people think that the Bible was written in one language, translated to another language, then translated into yet another and so on until it was finally translated into the English. The complaint is that since it was rewritten so many times in different languages throughout history, it must have become corrupted . The
"telephone" analogy is often used as an illustration. It goes like this. One person tells another person a sentence who then tells another person, who tells yet another, and so on and so on until the last person hears a sentence that has little or nothing to do with the original one. The
only problem with this analogy is that it doesn't fit the Bible at all.

The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly. But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the "problems" are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations. For example, instead of saying Jesus, a variation might be "Jesus Christ." So the actual amount of
textual variation of any concern is extremely low. Therefore, we can say that we have a remarkably accurate compilation of the original documents.

So when that we translate the Bible, we do not translate from a translation of a translation of a translation. We translate from the original language into our language. It is a one step process and not a series of steps that can lead to corruption. It is one translation step from the original to the English or to whatever language a person needs to read it in. So we translate into Spanish from the same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Likewise we translate into the German from those same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts as well. This is how it is done for
each and every language we translate the Bible into. We do not translate from the original languages to the English, to the Spanish, and then to the German. It is from the original languages to the English, or into the Spanish, or into the German. Therefore, the translations are very accurate and trustworthy in regards to what the Bible originally said.

The New Testament manuscripts were completed in the 1st century A.D. (50-100 A.D.) and the earliest copy became available in 130 A.D. The approximate time span between the original and the copy was less than 1000 years. There are 5,600 copies of the copy of the original and the accuracy of these copies is 99.5%.

As you can see, the New Testament documents are very accurate. Therefore, when the scholars translate from the Greek into English (or any other language), we can trust that what is translated is accurate and reliable.---Carm.

Marchello

Originally posted by Shelbert Lemon
i know what the King James version is , and its my strong belief that this has been changed as well to fit into what man wants you to believe .

***Your belief? Just what is your "belief" system predicated on? Can you prove what you believe with FACTS that will confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt...that what you "believe" is true? I say you CANNOT and that you would NOT believe...even if the FACTS, to the contrary, were presented to you.

The fact of the matter is the Bible has NOT been rewritten and there is ample proof to back that assertion up.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***Your belief? Just what is your "belief" system predicated on? Can you prove what you believe with FACTS that will confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt...that what you "believe" is true? I say you CANNOT and that you would NOT believe...even if the FACTS, to the contrary, were presented to you.

The fact of the matter is the Bible has NOT been rewritten and there is ample proof to back that assertion up.

Marchello

The Bible is not based on Facts of any kind, so stop being a hypocrit 👇

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
The bible was written by man inspired by the word of God. Man is not billions of years old. Inanimate objects do not evolve. The Bible has however, changed with the powers that have reigned over society. It has been traslated hundreds of times, pages and entire books from the Bible have been removed.The only thing that has evolved around the Bible, are the intentions of the people whom preach the Bible.

So no, it has not evolved, God might have enolved, but he is infallable (perfect) so the Bible tells us, so he too as not evolved. Personally though, i think God is ever changing. If nature has taught us anything, its that perfection is only achieved through change.

I like you. ✅

Originally posted by Marchello
***Hasn't the Bible been rewritten so many times that we can't trust it anymore?

This is a common misconception. Some people think that the Bible was written in one language, translated to another language, then translated into yet another and so on until it was finally translated into the English. The complaint is that since it was rewritten so many times in different languages throughout history, it must have become corrupted . The
"telephone" analogy is often used as an illustration. It goes like this. One person tells another person a sentence who then tells another person, who tells yet another, and so on and so on until the last person hears a sentence that has little or nothing to do with the original one. The
only problem with this analogy is that it doesn't fit the Bible at all.

The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly. But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the "problems" are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations. For example, instead of saying Jesus, a variation might be "Jesus Christ." So the actual amount of
textual variation of any concern is extremely low. Therefore, we can say that we have a remarkably accurate compilation of the original documents.

So when that we translate the Bible, we do not translate from a translation of a translation of a translation. We translate from the original language into our language. It is a one step process and not a series of steps that can lead to corruption. It is one translation step from the original to the English or to whatever language a person needs to read it in. So we translate into Spanish from the same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Likewise we translate into the German from those same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts as well. This is how it is done for
each and every language we translate the Bible into. We do not translate from the original languages to the English, to the Spanish, and then to the German. It is from the original languages to the English, or into the Spanish, or into the German. Therefore, the translations are very accurate and trustworthy in regards to what the Bible originally said.

The New Testament manuscripts were completed in the 1st century A.D. (50-100 A.D.) and the earliest copy became available in 130 A.D. The approximate time span between the original and the copy was less than 1000 years. There are 5,600 copies of the copy of the original and the accuracy of these copies is 99.5%.

As you can see, the New Testament documents are very accurate. Therefore, when the scholars translate from the Greek into English (or any other language), we can trust that what is translated is accurate and reliable.---Carm.

Marchello

Interesting...it's just the main thing that constanl bothers me are the desciples themselves. God, not even Jesus wrote the Bible. he desciples did. I just wonder sometimes if 'their' words are enough. I just wonder 'what if' some of their own personal beliefs are incorporated along with God's intentions.

Originally posted by Marchello
***Your belief? Just what is your "belief" system predicated on? Can you prove what you believe with FACTS that will confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt...that what you "believe" is true? I say you CANNOT and that you would NOT believe...even if the FACTS, to the contrary, were presented to you.

The fact of the matter is the Bible has NOT been rewritten and there is ample proof to back that assertion up.

Marchello

It has been translated at least once.

Either way, it is absolutely, certainly, without a shadow of a doubt not a historically accurate text. At most it is metaphorical at likeliest it is a badly written fictional story quite on par with The DaVinci Code.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It has been translated at least once.

Either way, it is absolutely, certainly, without a shadow of a doubt not a historically accurate text. At most it is metaphorical at likeliest it is a badly written fictional story quite on par with The DaVinci Code.

***Opinion and proof are NOT equatable. I presented facts...you only presented a flapping of your lips.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***Opinion and proof are NOT equatable. I presented facts...you only presented a flapping of your lips.

Marchello

No, I agreed with you. But I added it was translated at least once to English where you and I read it in, right?

Also, Marchello, what is your Bible version of choice?

Originally posted by Marchello
***Opinion and proof are NOT equatable. I presented facts...you only presented a flapping of your lips.

Marchello

you speak facts of no kind.

Prove that God exists. Use facts to back up your argument.

Prove that Christianity is the true religion, and is absolutely infallible. use facts to back up your argument.

Prove that Jesus was resurrected. Use facts to back up your argument, not Biblical quotes.

The Bible is not factual. If it is, then prove that it is.

Otherwise, be quiet.

I don't think Marchello said that. He's saying he has proof that the book is basicall the original. He's saying he has proof the bible has not been corrupted over the years. He didn't say Chrisianity was the true religion or he had proof God exists. He's saying there is an original Bible.

all evidence is to the contrary. the bible is a forgery of untrue, made up, misshapen, manipulated, edited, and mistranslated events, gossip and fantasies all brought together in a self contradictory, anti historic and linguistically misshapen book which does not deserve to even be called one.