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Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Daniel said that this was "present" them. Their futures hadn't been written yet, so they COULD die. He would have no knowledge of the future if that was the case.

And he was right, relatively speaking. Because regardless of the outcome, it would have happened under what happened happened, when viewed from the perspective of the future...

(And the likelihood of pre-island seriously-messed-up-post-self-experimenting Daniel of having done all that work even predicting events on an island he hadnt been to -certainly not in that time frame at least- in time to go to the island, was unlikely too.)

They could die THEN in their present, unless they are "destined" to do something alter detrimental to the mechanics of the loop.. . But they wouldnt say go back to the past and kill themselves, for example.

But if it was written down in the diary, then the diary is handed to him in the future then he could know the sequence of events then he lives then, dies and the journal of his notes are passed to past Daniel...etc

Thus the eternal nature of the experience that the journal would have in time loops.

He was explaining that like Miles was to Hurley.

And if this is true, then, whatever the losties are to face, from the future, will have already happened still.

Daniel Faraday thought he could overide cause and effect.
And got his ass shot for it.

I agree about the journal. I think when Eloise gave it to him as a graduation present, it already had all of future Daniel's notes in it. She shot him, kept the journal, gave it to him when he graduated.

as for Charlotte, I didn't see anything different. It shows Faraday talking to her, then pans away for a long shot of Daniel crouching down talking to her but it's so far away you can't hear their conversation. I assume he's telling her that she can never come back to the island or she'll die. They haven't yet given a reason to believe he was spending that time telling her something else but Charlotte did say he told her not to come back to the island or she would die.

Faraday trying to change the past ends up as all other attempts have.....those attempts at changing the past are actually what caused the future they already know to happen. Same as Sayid shooting Ben. I really wish they'd stop doing this already. I believe we all get the point by now. whatever happened, happened.

sucks that Faraday won't be included in future story arcs. One of my favorite characters. I'm sure, as you, we will be seeing him in flashbacks (from '07 perspective).....

(wiping away the blood that leaked out of my nose just now)

So there are 2 journals in existence at the moment Dan got shot. The one Eloise takes to give to him in the future AND the one he leaves to the Losties on the island?

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
(wiping away the blood that leaked out of my nose just now)

So there are 2 journals in existence at the moment Dan got shot. The one Eloise takes to give to him in the future AND the one he leaves to the Losties on the island?

Maybe its the same one. Maybe Jack will lose it at some point.

No just the one, Im thinking.

Eloise wrote a note in the first page remember? So 70's era Ellie will read it, and be like "I have to buy him this journal and give it to him when he graduates."

Besides, when he opened it, it looked brand new. It's gone through some wear and tear since then.

So, the FIRST time this all happened, chronologically, she was on the island, and shot this guy who had a book. This book happened to have her name on it and as he died he told her he was her son. She believed it, and made sure she got this book to her son when he graduated(hence her urgency at his graduation). OK.... I may be starting to get this.

Yep. That sounds like we are now on the same page.

Originally posted by Quincy
Eloise wrote a note in the first page remember? So 70's era Ellie will read it, and be like "I have to buy him this journal and give it to him when he graduates."

Besides, when he opened it, it looked brand new. It's gone through some wear and tear since then.

That may have just been the frontend of it.

The stuff we saw before was further through the journal.

Nice thick cover, too. That'd help it be protected.

It looks distinctive and very very old, the design of the cover.

Black rock era...? 😉

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8 I don't think Faraday is dead. just watch the video if you want to know why. Its the comic con video and I think you can hear Daniel in it.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8 I don't think Faraday is dead. just watch the video if you want to know why. Its the comic con video and I think you can hear Daniel in it.

Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have gone forth and said that the comic con videos and lost experience games and stuff aren't necessarily canonical, but more like clues about what the next season is going to be about. This was in regards to someone asking about Daniel in the video.

Faraday didn't die; he's too valuable for the storyline. And Alpert has magical powers, he'll recover him like he did Ben.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Faraday didn't die; he's too valuable for the storyline. And Alpert has magical powers, he'll recover him like he did Ben.

I didn't even think of that!!!! Alpert can definitely save Daniel. Great point!! 💃

Jacks there, too.
Many possiblities to for his survival, but all info so far suggested that he is gone.

But evidence to support this "he aint dead" theory would be:

1) That Ellie seemed to recognise him already in Jughead "You just couldn't stay away, could you...?" (Implying that he is yet to go back and met Ellie pre1954 maybe as part of the US soldiers...?)

2) Daniel presumably is still to record the comic con footage with Chang. (Unless they turn round and show us that it was Miles after all.)

The games and shit arent canon, like you say.

But that video of Chang, like the other orientation films IS canon.
And so are the missing pieces webisodes.

Faraday is oficially dead
http://www.accesshollywood.com/lost-producers-talk-surprising-death_article_17393

though is possible we will see him again

... and, as far as I know, his death isn't the big death everyone was talking about. The Impactful "Charlie's like" death hasn't happened yet

and if anybody cares, the 4-toe statue is

Spoiler:
Taweret

And furthering that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep

Also. This week we see evidence that my theory about "Did we see the losties killed in the flashbacks?" may have been right.

If we don't find out that Richard is dead like Locke and Christian and that he once was a member of the Black Rock's crew, I'll be greatly surprised. I've been saying that for seasons, since we first learned of Richard, I'd hate to see me actually be wrong all this time.

Dude, this is great. I love this damn show!

Spoiler:
Sun confronts Richard asking if he was on the island 30 years ago and did he know Jin, Jack, Kate, Hurley..?

And he replies that yes he knew them then and he remembered them very well as he watched them all die.