If so why would Jacob (Picard) pick such damaged, fragile people? Sawyer just lost his parents. Sayiid just had his girl destroyed by a bus. Locke just fell out of a freaking highrise after his "dad" stole one of his organs. I would think it'd be more difficult to prove mankind's benevolence with characters such as these. These are more the people fake Locke (Q) would want as Exhibits A-C.
Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
If they're going with the quasi-religious motif, then Jacob should be ressurected.
Its made more interesting when you read more about the real Jeremy Bentham.
(Who's body is STILL preserved in a display box in London, btw)
Bentham favoured the idea that for any new leader in society, the old leader must first die.
Also... This just in:
Viewers of ABC's "Lost" saw the body of a dead John Locke in the show's Season 5 finale Wednesday night. However, a very alive Terry O'Quinn, who plays Locke, was in Spartanburg on Thursday to play in the BMW Charity Pro-Am at Carolina Country Club.
Between holes, O'Quinn was happy to talk to fans about golf, the finale and the fate of his character in the show's final season, beginning in 2010.
O'Quinn called himself an OK golfer, saying he would be happy with an 85 or under.
"I played well on the front. A little bit rough on the back," he said as his group neared hole 17.
O'Quinn said he hasn't seen the finale and didn't know how the story was edited.
"Don't tell me," he joked. "I want to be surprised."
In the season cliffhanger, a bomb, which could prevent Flight 815 from ever crashing on the mysterious island, was detonated.
As for his character, O'Quinn says he's really gone. Locke's dead body was rolled out of a metal box toward the end of the two-hour episode, baffling islanders who had been following a Locke imposter. Exactly who is now occupying Locke's body wasn't revealed. O'Quinn said it would be "a good guess" to assume it's a man seen with the infamous Jacob in the beginning of the episode.
"I think, unfortunately, I think it's ended for Locke. But I'm still there, as far as I know," O'Quinn said. "I don't know how it's going to end for this other guy. I'm sad. I miss John Locke, poor guy. He was a pawn."
O'Quinn is gearing up to play a new character when the sixth season begins next year. As for the rest of the story line, he swears he has no idea.
"Your guess is honestly as good as mine is," he said. "There's going to be some confrontation that will somehow, I'm guessing, have to do with Jack or Locke or something like that. I think these guys are just setting up good and evil. It's the way Locke said in the very beginning of the show: One is light and one is dark. Two sides. I think that's what we've got."
From DARKUFO's site.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Is this the statue? Not sure if this particular god it was mentioned before:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret
http://media.photobucket.com/image/taweret/mistress_mable/taweret_0.jpg
yep, that's Taweret... it was confirmed by Emerson a couple of weeks ago... though there are some who are saying it is Sobek (crocodile faced god)
I took my sweet time, but I finally saw the finale....
As much as I love LOST, I can hate it so much sometimes, it wasn't bad at all, it was brilliant, but damn it I hated the fade to white finale...damn you Cuse/Lindelof...
well anyways, great finale. Jacob was great, the reveal that Cabin Jacob wasn't Jacob, OMG!. Locke wasn't Locke OMFG!!!
love Sawyer kicking Jack in the nuts, priceless.
Sawyer it's such an hypocrite, trying to con Jack with his dad and all, he had his revenge, he had nothing to do in the outside world, no reason to go back, he was being really selfish, so losing Juliet serves him well, though I will miss her.
Loved Rose and Bernard. Rose remark on how they didn't care, and how they will always be fighting... great, and spot on (BTW: I doubt their cabin is Jacob's cabin, that one was built by Horace)
and I'm going with the Esau theory as well
"Esau, naturally, is furious and vows to kill Jacob (Gen. 27:41)"
So what do we NOT know:
-What's the name of Locke's doppelganger? (I'm betting is Esau)
-Did the bomb work, or was the Bomb the Incident all along, as Miles put it? (I thinking the Bomb was the incident, and nothing has changed, other them they being thrown back to the present)
-Who's coming? (Jack, Widmore, someone else?)
-Was Christian someone working for Jacob? (I don't think so)
-Or was he the very same thing that possessed Locke? (I do think so)
-Or was he the Smoke Monster all along? (I think Smokey was "Esau" all along)
-Why did Smokey wanted Jacob dead? Is it Esau, or something else entirely?
-Where's Claire? Is she dead?
-Why did they show Juliet's Flashback with no Jacob? Was it just to justified Juliet's entirely irrational and idiotic flip-flopping?
-Is Juliet dead? Did someone else died? (I think Juliet's gone)
-Is Richard someone like Jacob or "Esau"? (does not age, but can be killed)
-What's in Hurley/Jacob's Guitar Case?
and
.... why do we have to wait till 2010? cry
Originally posted by S_D_Jwell yea, we saw them burn down that cabinLoved Rose and Bernard. Rose remark on how they didn't care, and how they will always be fighting... great, and spot on (BTW: I doubt their cabin is Jacob's cabin, that one was built by Horace)
they mentioned that every time they went back in time, it was for a purpose.
After they did what they had to do, they traveled through time again.
im thinking, they did their explosion, it happened, now they are gonna be in another point in time, or their normal time
I still think that "We're retired" line was a ambiguous reference to the possibility that they are ex-DHARMA.
That would explain why Rose knew so much about Jack and the others joining Dharma and how she was an expert on the position of the Dharma barracks in realtion to the camp, "five miles in THAT direction" etc. What if Rose's CAncer happened cause she went away from the island..?
Heres a question for you.
What if Locke could walk again because he was possessed by Jacob or the Anti-Jacob dude back then in season 1....?
Thata could be why he was channeling all that " two sides, light and dark" shit and all that staring out to sea at the beach etc
AND how he knew when it'd rain and all that.
My thoughts:
-What's the name of Locke's doppelganger?
Esau
-Did the bomb work, or was the Bomb the Incident all along, as Miles put it?
The Bomb was the incident
-Who's coming?
The Losties from the past
-Was Christian someone working for Jacob?
No, it was also Esau
-Or was he the very same thing that possessed Locke?
Yes
-Or was he the Smoke Monster all along?
Smokey is a different thing
-Why did Smokey wanted Jacob dead? Is it Esau, or something else entirely?
When did Smikey want Jacob dead?
-Where's Claire? Is she dead?
Claire will probably be back as a follower of Easu. I think she's dead.
-Why did they show Juliet's Flashback with no Jacob? Was it just to justify Juliet's entirely irrational and idiotic flip-flopping?
I think the people that Jacob touched throughout the episode received a gift from him(Immortality, perhaps), so if that's the case, she's dead.
-Is Juliet dead? Did someone else die?
She's gone. I think some of those Dharma guys died, obviously.
-Is Richard someone like Jacob or "Esau"?
I think Richard is a follower of Jacob who was giving the gift of "not aging" by Jacob.
-What's in Hurley/Jacob's Guitar Case?
I think it's Charlie's guitar case.
and
.... why do we have to wait till 2010?
Because life isn't fair!!
Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
My thoughts:-What's the name of Locke's doppelganger?
Esau
-Did the bomb work, or was the Bomb the Incident all along, as Miles put it?
The Bomb was the incident
-Who's coming?
The Losties from the past
-Was Christian someone working for Jacob?
No, it was also Esau
-Or was he the very same thing that possessed Locke?
Yes
-Or was he the Smoke Monster all along?
Smokey is a different thing
-Why did Smokey wanted Jacob dead? Is it Esau, or something else entirely?
When did Smikey want Jacob dead?
-Where's Claire? Is she dead?
Claire will probably be back as a follower of Easu. I think she's dead.
-Why did they show Juliet's Flashback with no Jacob? Was it just to justify Juliet's entirely irrational and idiotic flip-flopping?
I think the people that Jacob touched throughout the episode received a gift from him(Immortality, perhaps), so if that's the case, she's dead.
-Is Juliet dead? Did someone else die?
She's gone. I think some of those Dharma guys died, obviously.
-Is Richard someone like Jacob or "Esau"?
I think Richard is a follower of Jacob who was giving the gift of "not aging" by Jacob.
-What's in Hurley/Jacob's Guitar Case?
I think it's Charlie's guitar case.and
.... why do we have to wait till 2010?Because life isn't fair!!
This is just your guess right?
I don't like to think that Esau and Christian are the same but it is really likely. I would rather Jack and Christian get some sort of closier.
I don't think the smoke monster and Esau are the same or connected at all because he seemed to have no idea that Ben was on his side/his lap dog after the judgement and since the smoke monster is what judged him you would think he would no.
Originally posted by saintsaucey
I don't like to think that Esau and Christian are the same but it is really likely. I would rather Jack and Christian get some sort of closier.I don't think the smoke monster and Esau are the same or connected at all because he seemed to have no idea that Ben was on his side/his lap dog after the judgement and since the smoke monster is what judged him you would think he would no.
so, If Jacob's nemesis (from this point on, Esau) was supposed to be Smokey, he will right out tell Ben he knew Smokey told him to not kill him, and do everything he said?... or in that case, make it seem as though he knew what happened to Ben in the temple?
Locke not knowing what happened to Ben does not prove he isn't the Smoke monster (for that matter, it doesn't prove he IS Smokey either).
You have to consider the following:
We can now safely assumed Christian is dead. We also have confirmation that Smokey can take on the form of any person who's already dead... we can also assume Smokey can have the memories of any person he poses as.
... so we can assume Christian is Smokey.
Now, Locke is dead... but came back to life, only it wasn't him, but Esau. Ilana and Co. realized this too late (after Locke has left for the island). Ben is in the Island, he summons Smokey, Smokey is a no-show, but who comes out the jungle? Locke...
now Ben and Locke go to the temple, Locke disappears, but who shows up? Smokey
now Smokey tells Ben not to kill Locke and do everything he says (here's why I say Smokey knew about killing Jacob, because he explicitly told Ben to do as Locke says. Furthermore, Jacob knew Locke was Esau. Why would Jacob tell his pet to tell Ben to do everything Esau wanted?)
Smokey disappears, Locke returns.
Now flashforward a bit, and we have, what I believe, Locke testing Ben. He tells him is planning on killing Jacob, Ben does nothing. Locke ask why he didn't tell on him, Ben says he is supposed to not do so. Locke acts as though he didn't know, and then proceeds with his plan. Now here's where I assume Locke knew about Ben and his trial, it was all a test to see if Ben will comply.
There's a possibility Smokey is Esau... and Esau is indeed new Locke...
.... and, if you think about it, the entire show has been about Esau planning his revenge... and Jacob trying to prove him wrong....
About the Guitar case, I don't think is Charlie... the big question though? was in it? just a guitar?
