Originally posted by CreshoskAGREED
And Cyclops dodges with his martial arts skills. . .Captain america doesn't have super speed, to throw it properly he will have to pull back, and he'd be zapped by then anyway.
It's funny cause I was just thinking about this fight today because of the advantages powers give to characters.....
Cap loses because he CAN'T get his whole body behind his shield and Cyclops is blasting off everything that ain't protected. 😮💨
Originally posted by DrDoom101
can cyclop's blasts melt the shield?
* no can do, i think it's made of Adamantium-Vibranium alloy with other unknown elements, unduplicated... Adamantium, as far as i know, the hardest / strongest metal in Marvel Universe, Vibranium absorbs sound, impacts, etc...
* the fact is, Cap cannot hide his entire 6-foot body behind his shield... Cyke will just blast Cap's unprotected body parts, Cap's done for before he could come close to Cyke...
Originally posted by peejayd
* no can do, i think it's made of Adamantium-Vibranium alloy with other unknown elements, unduplicated... Adamantium, as far as i know, the hardest / strongest metal in Marvel Universe, Vibranium absorbs sound, impacts, etc...
... and cyclops' blast doesnt give off heat... 😛
Originally posted by MetalmanxI'ma compete for this 'No-Prize.' Let me illustrate the issue more definitively, "If I dangled Cap's shield from the ceiling with a string and shoot a stream of water at it, will it not swing at all? What about Cyke's blast?"
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And yet...it retains its impact power when it impacts with something else.Funny how Cap's shield contradicts itself. It can take any punishment and nullify the momentum, yet it seems to retain that momentum just fine and not absorb any impacts when its thrown at someone or something.
Interesting... 🤨
My explanation has to do with the convex/vibranium nature of his shield. Convex curvature of any object results in natural redistribution of force. Quick illustration, "Choose whether or not you want to punch a flat 1-inch thick wooden board, or a curved outward 1-inch thick wooden board." You get the idea. Its just natural physics. The punch's force goes into the board but gets splashed outwards more dramatically with a more convex curvature.
Now vibranium supposedly absorbs force. We're smart enough to know it doesn't just do away with force and casts it into nothingness. It probably works, if not in exact theory, then in analogy, like a car's shock absorbers. All the force is there bouncing the car up and down, but the spring coil's properties dampen the bouncing by redistributing the force throughout the coil. With vibranium its the same thing. The force may get absorbed/dampened because it goes straight to the strong molecular bonds, or because vibranium molecules act in tandem and bounce force back and forth at astonishing speeds to make it seem like the force disappeared, whatever. Its the same idea.
Take that convex nature and throw vibranium into the equation, and you get a drastically exagerrated effect that appears to be pure force absorption and nullification but is really in fact just redistribution. This works both ways too however. Think about the concave nature when you look from behind Cap's shield. If vibranium redistributes force so insanely, then Cap's strength, pushing from behind, would eventually get redistributed into the very center of the shield from behind since that is the focus. Therefore, you have inertia from the back since his strength can't get splashed outwards anywhere. It eventually meets in the focus.
So take the illustration above and apply these concepts: If nothing was behind the shield, then a stream of water would cause the shield to swing. And Cyke's blast would make it swing and fly away into the next county. Now with the water stream, a single finger applying constant pressure from behind is probably enough to stop the shield from moving. The ratio of outer force necessary to overpower inner force is probably exponential, considering vibranium's crazy redistribution characteristics. So in order to stop Cyke's blast, a blast that could puncture a mountain, all that's necessary is, say, the strength of a Super Soldier pushing from behind to keep the shield stationary.
So what about when Cap clonks someone in the head in mid-flight with his thrown shield? Wouldn't this exponential ratio of force mean that the force behind his thrown shield would result in the guy's head getting splattered, like a missile just hit it? Well, no. I'm not saying Cap's strength is multiplied. But the dampening effects caused by the convex curvature and vibranium's distribution properties allow Cap to withstand Thanos crushing down on him and other law defying feats like the picture posted below. That picture involved an entire skyscraper on top of Cap and an energy shield that specifically simulated a strong vibranium matrix as described by Sharon Carter, who gave it to him.
I'd give the win to Captain American in this battle, though it would be interesting, as some people seem to grossly underestimate the leader of the X-men, who not only has one of the most powerful of mutant powers, but is a skilled hand to hand combatant, a fighter in the absolute prime in accordance with his impressive, and by no means slight, physique, and the kinesthetic senses allowing him to predict richochets with his optic blasts and use the environment to his advantage.
Despite all this, Captain American is the Supersoldier, and the better athlete of the two. Though Scott is accurate with his blasts, he would rely too much on them, and Cap would utilize his peak-human agility and reflexes to dodge the majority, surely blocking any lingering shots with his nearly impervious shield. Of course, Scott might get some good shots in, knocking Cap back for a few, but he has- in the past- showed incredible endurance and resolve in the midst of combat, and the repulsing beams would not be able to keep him at bay.
Once the fight got up close, as it would be unwise for Cap to throw the shield, leaving himself open to a well-placed blast and possibly ending the match in a stalemate for the ages, Cyclops would put up a fight with his strength and martial skills, but he would be overcome in a matter of minutes or less by the superior fighting ability, strength, durability, and raw power of the Supersoldier.
Final consensus:
Captain America vs. Cyclops= Captain America 70%
Originally posted by manorastromannot a fanboy, but cap doesnt win his matches by luck, so if he can beat you than he can.
fffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnbbbbbbbbbbooooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyhow can you not even give cyclops one win? heck, i'd give him the majority.
Cyclops has nice blasts and all but cap can block all of them, and if cyclops cant nail cap which he Cant, than the fight is going to be over in h2h very quickly, cyclops is good in h2h, but the cap is the ****ing man.