Captain America vs. Cyclops

Originally posted by King KAM
Cap uses his agility to get in close to cyclops, cap has dodged bullets so he can dodge cyclops blasts, but he wont need to dodged them simply block them with his sheidl untill he gets in close for the melee,

* and Cyke will just stand there like an oaktree? don't make me laugh... 😉

Originally posted by King KAM
he doesnt need to get his whole body under the shield

* Cyke can discharge a very wide blast, Cap doesn't have to get his whole body behind the shield, coz he'll be hit with the blast anyways...

Originally posted by King KAM
....go learn how caps shield works and then come back....

* the vibranium element that cancels out the impact of the force thrown? Cyke can hit Cap in every way, Cyke got spatial awareness ability and can ricochet his optic blasts to hit Cap... Cap really needs his shield but since his shield cannot cover his entire body, Cap will be hit by Cyke's blasts, blowing him very far away... 😉

Originally posted by King KAM
proof please that they go light speed....

* it's light-based and travels light-speed, what else? it's a force blast, it's concussive and does not produce heat... 😛

Originally posted by King KAM
if they moved at the speed of light, whatever cyclops shot at would be hit before they even saw the beam.....

* we see a beam because it's a blast and it's concussive... it's continual... it's not an optic flash, it's a blast... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* and Cyke will just stand there like an oaktree? don't make me laugh... 😉

* Cyke can discharge a very wide blast, Cap doesn't have to get his whole body behind the shield, coz he'll be hit with the blast anyways...

* the vibranium element that cancels out the impact of the force thrown? Cyke can hit Cap in every way, Cyke got spatial awareness ability and can ricochet his optic blasts to hit Cap... Cap really needs his shield but since his shield cannot cover his entire body, Cap will be hit by Cyke's blasts, blowing him very far away... 😉

* it's light-based and travels light-speed, what else? it's a force blast, it's concussive and does not produce heat... 😛

Originally posted by King KAM
i never said cyke would stand there and do nothing, but cyclops cant beat cap in melee fighting,

* Cyke cannot beat Cap in a hand-to-hand combat, but that doesn't mean Cyke goes down fast... Cyke will not lose as easily as you think... 😉

* if Cyke will not stand there and do nothing... Cyke will blast the hell out of Cap... if you can't accept Cyke can blast Cap directly, Cyke can ricochet his blasts behind Cap's back with Cyke's spatial awareness ability... 😉

Originally posted by King KAM
captain americas sheild protects his whole body, the concave shape doesnt just block blasts it splits them completley shielding the holder, which is why things like grenades and bombs dont work, like i said caps shield doesnt need to cover his whole body it was designed so that as long as its infront of him his whole body is shielded from blasts,

* well, it does not make sense... the shield is the one with vibranium, not Cap himself... 😕

Originally posted by King KAM
and its not light based....its an energy attack, what you doing is making things up, marvel has never stated this and neither has a comic, if it infact moved at light speed, he would be able to hit magneto because it would be impossible for magneto to see the bast even coming, in fact no-one would ever see the blast, they would only see the after effects, considering in the ranges he shoots them the speed of light would be untracable by the human eye.

* it can be traced by the human eye because the blasts discharges continually, it's not a flash... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* Cyke cannot beat Cap in a hand-to-hand combat, but that doesn't mean Cyke goes down fast... Cyke will not lose as easily as you think... 😉

* if Cyke will not stand there and do nothing... Cyke will blast the hell out of Cap... if you can't accept Cyke can blast Cap directly, Cyke can ricochet his blasts behind Cap's back with Cyke's spatial awareness ability... 😉

* well, it does not make sense... the shield is the one with vibranium, not Cap himself... 😕

* it can be traced by the human eye because the blasts discharges continually, it's not a flash... 😉

here this should help you with how caps sheild would protect himn successfully from a hide ranged attack http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thesheild7op.gif

Captain America wins. He can run 60 MPH.
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Originally posted by King KAM
here this should help you with how caps sheild would protect himn successfully from a hide ranged attack http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thesheild7op.gif

Its really hard to read.

So can someone explain to me if Captain America's shield absorbs or disperses the attacks? Or does it absorb and then disperse?

Anyway, I think Cyclops wins this, for the reasons Metalman X has listed.

Cyclops 8/10

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Its really hard to read.

So can someone explain to me if Captain America's shield absorbs or disperses the attacks? Or does it absorb and then disperse?

Anyway, I think Cyclops wins this, for the reasons Metalman X has listed.

Cyclops 8/10

Originally posted by King KAM
ive countered everything metaman x has said, and it absorbs the kenetetic energy and disperses the matter,

Just because you say you've countered everything I've said doesn't necessarily make it true, my friend.

Bullet speed of a sniper rifle (I chose the sniper rifle because its bullets are pretty much the fastest than from any other personal firearm) from Wikipedia:

"Depending on the rifle, a bullet can now be fired at a speed of over 884 metres per second (0.549 miles per second); this is 3180 kilometres per hour (1980 miles per hour), about two and a half times the speed of sound (330 metres per second). A bullet traveling at this speed crosses the length of 7 full-size football fields in one second. In reality, the bullet slows down considerably due to friction with the air over these distances. The range of a bullet depends on how far it can travel before gravity pulls it to the ground."

Anyway, for the sake of argument we'll even say that Cyke's blasts don't travel at the speed of light. Even if they don't, they still travel at a speed of several machs. Let's say...oh, I dunno, Mach 8-10. I believe, if we're assuming they're not light-speed, this is a reasonable speed with which to perform a comparison. That is anywhere between 6,089.65641 mph and 7,612.07051 mph. That speed makes bullets looks like tiny stationary objects. And you can already see just how fast a spiper bullet can travel. Now just think about how fast an optic blast must be.

I can tell you: much faster than Cap can react to if his shield isn't already up.

And, his shield doesn't completely disperse all kinetic energy. He's been hit plenty of times while blocking with his shield and has been sent flying in the opposite direction of the attack.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Just because you say you've countered everything I've said doesn't necessarily make it true, my friend.

Bullet speed of a sniper rifle (I chose the sniper rifle because its bullets are pretty much the fastest than from any other personal firearm) from Wikipedia:

"Depending on the rifle, a bullet can now be fired at a speed of over 884 metres per second (0.549 miles per second); this is 3180 kilometres per hour (1980 miles per hour), about two and a half times the speed of sound (330 metres per second). A bullet traveling at this speed crosses the length of 7 full-size football fields in one second. In reality, the bullet slows down considerably due to friction with the air over these distances. The range of a bullet depends on how far it can travel before gravity pulls it to the ground."

Anyway, for the sake of argument we'll even say that Cyke's blasts don't travel at the speed of light. Even if they don't, they still travel at a speed of several machs. Let's say...oh, I dunno, Mach 8-10. I believe, if we're assuming they're not light-speed, this is a reasonable speed with which to perform a comparison. That is anywhere between 6,089.65641 mph and 7,612.07051 mph. That speed makes bullets looks like tiny stationary objects. And you can already see just how fast a spiper bullet can travel. Now just think about how fast an optic blast must be.

I can tell you: much faster than Cap can react to if his shield isn't already up.

And, his shield doesn't completely disperse all kinetic energy. He's been hit plenty of times while blocking with his shield and has been sent flying in the opposite direction of the attack.

and yes the shield does abosrb virtually all the kinetic engergy, in the past cap wasnt using his shield, which is why we have feats like this, his real shield was being worked on by stark...

What makes you assume that Cyclops blast transends the speed of sound.

Every time I read an issue where Cyclops blasts, it has an onimonipia sound effect. Therefore people MUST be able to hear it... therefor it does NOT transend the speed of sound.... therefore it does NOT go mach 8 or 9. That's just my opinion anyway 😬

I don't think it's as even as you think. I'm fairly confident than Cyke would win most encounters. He's gonna really benefit from his spatial awareness. He'd make a couple shots ricochet off walls, and go h2h with Cap to distract him. Before you know it Cap is rendered unconcious from a concussive force he never saw coming.

Cyke 7/10

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
I don't think it's as even as you think. I'm fairly confident than Cyke would win most encounters. He's gonna really benefit from his spatial awareness. He'd make a couple shots ricochet off walls, and go h2h with Cap to distract him. Before you know it Cap is rendered unconcious from a concussive force he never saw coming.

Cyke 7/10

i think not. Cap is constantly fighting men while having to watch his own back, this will not be anything new to him.

like...

i meant this one

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
What makes you assume that Cyclops blast transends the speed of sound.

Every time I read an issue where Cyclops blasts, it has an onimonipia sound effect. Therefore people MUST be able to hear it... therefor it does NOT transend the speed of sound.... therefore it does NOT go mach 8 or 9. That's just my opinion anyway 😬

true.. if the blast went moch speeds it would cause a sonic boom to occur.... the only way it wouldn't is if it were pure light or something.. but it's not a lazer it doesn't melt things it's concussive force incorporial...

in any case I don't see how this has dragged on so long.. look...

hulk has pounded away at caps shield.. the force didn't cause cap to do anything but move back a little

vector tried to melt cap, cap blocked it with his shield.

caps blocked hellfire with his shield.

he's blocked the goddamned GODFORCE with his shield!

how the hell are optic blasts going to do what none of these indefinitely stronger/more powerful things have failed to do already? someone explain to me this...

Originally posted by King KAM
so cykes is gonna sneak in a blast on a man who is Constantly used to fighting, while people are shooting at him....

i think not. Cap is constantly fighting men while having to watch his own back, this will not be anything new to him.

cap has also successfully dodged LAZER FIRE from all directions while being suspended in zero gravity...

Originally posted by King KAM
i meant this one

But let's forget that for now. Those shots are coming from normal humans. Cyclops is infinitely accurate due to his superhuman spatial awareness. Unless Cap has pre-cog, he surely going to get hit by one of Cyke's beams. Realistically, all he has to do is take of his visor and kill Cap.

Cyke wins either way.

Originally posted by jinzin
cap has also successfully dodged LAZER FIRE from all directions while being suspended in zero gravity...