"Think how it would work. The boys aren't going to tell, as the bastard said that would send them to hell. Nobody will see in his privacy. It's not that hard."
Yes, obviously he put a lot of thought into his deeds and how to keep them secret, had he actually been insane he would have just commited the act and not even thought about the consequences.
"We were talking about christian morals, and i gave you an example where it didn't happen. It has that to do with religon."
You could also say that that is a civilized moral, nothing having to do with Chrstianity.
The point I believe in is that it's the big morals that are global and have nothing to do with religion. Killing, raping, stealing, it's always been wrong, before religion, and it will be wrong after religion. Some countries morals are different from ours but that does not automatically prove that it is because they have a different religion then us, just a different society. The big wrongs are always wrong.
Originally posted by BackFire
"Think how it would work. The boys aren't going to tell, as the bastard said that would send them to hell. Nobody will see in his privacy. It's not that hard."Yes, obviously he put a lot of thought into his deeds and how to keep them secret, had he actually been insane he would have just commited the act and not even thought about the consequences.
"We were talking about christian morals, and i gave you an example where it didn't happen. It has that to do with religon."
You could also say that that is a civilized moral, nothing having to do with Chrstianity.
The point I believe in is that it's the big morals that are global and have nothing to do with religion. Killing, raping, stealing, it's always been wrong, before religion, and it will be wrong after religion. Some countries morals are different from ours but that does not automatically prove that it is because they have a different religion then us, just a different society.
1. No, he didn't put a lot of thought into it. It would be as easy as making a pie.
2. You could, but you'd be wrong.
3. Not all morals, obviously.
Originally posted by Ytaker
1. Take slavery; It was a Christian who worked out the logic, who realised that slavery was wrong from outside the bubble.
It was also Christians who used the Bible to justify slavery. And since I doubt that you can figure out who first realized slavery was wrong, how do you know it was a Christian?
"No, he didn't put a lot of thought into it. It would be as easy as making a pie."
He put in enough thought to realize that he has to try to deter this kid from turning him in. That alone shows me that he is not insane, merely has shitty morals.
"You could, but you'd be wrong."
Prove it. Oh wait, you can't. Nice attempt at arguing. Moving on...
"Not all morals, obviously."
Exactly, the argument at hand was whether or not religion was the basis of all of our morals. This proves it is not, thank you.
Anyone with a brain would have and did realize that slavery was wrong.
If it took a Christian, then what about the Christians living in slave-owning states? Were they stupid? All ethics do not stem from one religion, that's silly.
Elvis still being alive is a poor example, unless you're talking about people believing foolish things.....
Originally posted by BackFire
"No, he didn't put a lot of thought into it. It would be as easy as making a pie."He put in enough thought to realize that he has to try to deter this kid from turning him in. That alone shows me that he is not insane, merely has shitty morals.
"You could, but you'd be wrong."
Prove it. Oh wait, you can't. Nice attempt at arguing. Moving on...
"Not all morals, obviously."
Exactly, the argument at hand was whether or not religion was the basis of all of our morals. This proves it is not, thank you.
1. You need the mind of an amoeba to do this. It's a simple thing, and he'd have to be high not to work it out. Some are, and are thus caught.
2. I can. Other societies haven't managed to evolve our morals. So there's proof. Getting testy?
3. Was it? I thought that it was that with the tricky ones, that due to biological evolution are sound, have been swiried by Christianity.
Originally posted by Cipher
Anyone with a brain would have and did realize that slavery was wrong.
If it took a Christian, then what about the Christians living in slave-owning states? Were they stupid? All ethics do not stem from one religion, that's silly.Elvis still being alive is a poor example, unless you're talking about people believing foolish things.....
1. Wrong. People throughout history, e.g. Aristotle would disagree. It's Christian morals that bias us.
2. Which ones? I'm from the U.K. and do not know much about the USA.
3. Yes I am. You believe that Catholic priests are reassigned.
"You need the mind of an amoeba to do this. It's a simple thing, and he'd have to be high not to work it out. Some are, and are thus caught."
A truley insane person does not have the mind of an amoeba, they will not consider the consequences. These guys did, thus they are not crazy.
"I can. Other societies haven't managed to evolve our morals. So there's proof. Getting testy?"
That is not proof, in fact, that has nothing to do with anything. That has nothing to do with our religion, just our society.
"Was it? I thought that it was that with the tricky ones, that due to biological evolution are sound, have been swiried by Christianity."
Nope, the original argument was "Morals stem from religion". The answer to this is obviously a big fat "NO", considering there were morals well before religion.