Originally posted by jinzin
let me get this straight.....spiderman can lift a car and hit batman before batman can even react much less strike spidey while he's lifting the car?batman can kick captain marvel 15 feet into the air and turn him back into his child form...but he can't physically do anything to spiderman?
batman can takes hits from ten tonners without his suit but he can't do the same with spiderman with his suit?
he can nail 3 guys with one batarang after banking it off a statue WHILE dodging bullets WHILE not looking.....but he can't use any number of equiptment to hit spidey with even though spidey's been gassed by one LOBBED pumpkin bomb on at least 4 or 5 different occasions, even though those pumpkin bombs didn't have tracking devices, and even though it only took one pumkin bomb to do it while batman throws multiple batarangs at the same time?
Batman can't dodge webbing even though he dodges everything else?
batman can't dodge cars being thrown at him even though he's easily done so against etrigan?
batman can't outfight him even though he's the better fighter?
can't outstrategize him even though he's the master tactician?
spidey's ability to "think on is feet" totally negates batman's ability to do the same?
batman can't get spidey on the total defensive with grenades even though punisher's done it a couple of times?
batman will automatically get one punched by spidey just from being in this fight with him even though lesser "street level" characters have flat out KOed him and fought him to a standstill?
batman is totally outclassed physically so he will automatically lose even though a large majority of established villains and heroes that he's fought totally outclass him as well and he almost always comes out on top?
all I have to say is................ 🙄
jinzin I see what you're saying here but all of these things can go both ways. Batman really does have a better chance than what I gave him credit for. But with that being said I really don't believe that he's capable of equaling spider-man who has held his own against every opponent that is within his power level 10 tonners to 75 tonners and everyone below that.
Batman has also hung with characters on this level but he uses prep-time a lot more than Spider-man who uses it rarely and usually rely's solely on his physical abilities to persevere. In a no prep-time fight the advantages are truly Spider-man's.
Spider-man can't negate Batman's skill that's for sure but he has enough skill of his own to not get KOed by a typical attack even if it connects. The same can be said for Batman but if Spider-man isn't plagued with an over dramatic concern for Batman, even if Bat's isn't holding back that's not putting Spider-man in as dangerous a position as Batman.
Batman could attempt his touch of death but the black tarantula has never connected with his kick of death, if I'm not mistaken, and he stated before that he had trained to be his country's captain america.
So why would I think that Batman has an advantage on a guy who can hang with almost all of his enemies when he is definitely holding back?
If Spidey wanted to kill he has about 50% more techniques at his disposal than he usually has because of his strength and abilities.
There aren't any humans that come close to his combination of agility, flexibility, durability, speed, and strength. Even the most powerful humans are miles behind him in raw power so why should I think for a moment that in a fight where neither character is given the benifit of the doubt, Batman has an advantage over Spidey?
He's fast and Spidey's faster.
He's tough and Spidey's tougher.
He's strong but weak when compared to Spider-man as far as all over strength goes. ( Spidey could palm his head and crush it like an egg but Bat's doesn't have an option like that ONE)
He's agile but Spidey has agility that equals or surpasses it.
He's trained and battled for experience and Spidey has battled enough to have an experience level that is not far below batman's.
Batman's mastered the use of his weapons and so has Spidey.
He has evaded many lethal attack's and Spidey has as well and has help (Spider-sense) predicting attacks and fooling attackers.
This is all true as I have tried not to embellish any of these points, yet the points remain.
In a fight where neither one is given an advantage (a fight in a field or something like that) how does Batman win over FIFTY PERCENT of the time?
This is just my personal opinion, but even if Bats can win 49% of the fights like this he can in no way claim to be Spider-man's superior.
I'm done here 😮💨