Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by who?-kid
That makes two of us. According to some Batman-defenders =>

- Spider-Man really isn't that much faster than Batman.

Spiderman's speed stat is listed at being faster than the average human.

Batman we know is also faster than the average human.

So we don't know how much faster spiderman is than batman.

Originally posted by who?-kid
- Spider-Man is just a lousy fighter.

And Has Bat sense.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I understand that very well, but out of a 1 to 10 scale where do you see batman at?

I cannot just rate him on a scale of 1 to 10. In the comic world there are just to many varieties and levels of power.

What I can do is say that I think that Batman and Spider Man represent two different archetypes of superhero.

Batman is the dark avenger who is meant to occupy an urban setting and use strength, cunning, brutality, intellect, and gadgets to keep Gotham free of evil. There are plenty of other heroes in this type and they usually have no or minimal superpowers. He may have batarangs and a nice suit, but he is not an Iron Man type of hero where is gadgets are so powerful that he becomes extermely superhuman. The degree to which Batman become like this diminishes Batman as a character. I like Batman because he in not Iron Man, because he is not Reed Richards, and he is not Mantis.

Spider Man is a nerdy guy given superpowers type of hero. Suddenly he has superhuman physical abilities. He has to face many very powerful supervillains, also who are superpowered. These storyline have a lot more to do with powers and operate on a bit of a grander scale.

In terms of the type that Batman is, I would give him a 10. So many other heroes are based on him. But I don't think it is a knock on Batman to say he gets beaten by a Spider Man type hero.

In the same way, Superman is a different type than Spider Man. It is no knock on Spidey to say the Superman takes him. They just have powers on different levels. I am not saying that the gap between Spider Man and Superman is the same as between Batman and Spider Man, just that we are comparing apples and oranges.

I love the character Moon Knight. He is one of my favorites. He is touched by the Egyptian god Khonshu. I still don't say that he could beat someone like Namor though because they are totally different types of hero.

Originally posted by doctorstrongbad
Are you guys still debating this? Listen Batman = human. Spiderman = superhero. Any human vs. superhero = superhero winning. Any questions?

See above. Iron Man is a different archetype. He is superpowerd (like the Spider Man type) except his powers are based on technology and are not intrinsic to his body.

Doctorstongbad should change the word "superhero" to "superhuman" though. Batman is every bit the superhero Spider Man is. The fact that he is not a super-powered human is another matter though.

totally different scenario altogether.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That actually isn't that unreasonable.

Spiderman's speed stat is listed at being faster than the average human.

Batman we know is also faster than the average human.

So we don't know how much faster spiderman is than batman.

This is based on fighting skills, not his spiderpowers. He's not a trained martial artist.

It has been shown time and time again that his fighting is unique and takes down the best in the MU. I would argue better than characters such as cap and wolive, sense he can use his surface-adhereing, webbing, and spider sense to his advantage.

Originally posted by who?-kid
You don't have to be a martial artist to kick ass.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Could you kick a martial artists ass?

Originally posted by who?-kid
Give me class 15 strength and a spider-sense, and watch me.

Originally posted by Creshosk
This is based on fighting skills, not his spiderpowers. He's not a trained martial artist.

Depends as I stated before, a lot of Black belts I know go to the local dojos( which are usually in it for the money) andcan really do nothing againstme. Then you have the ones who are great at the ART but not the FIGHT, as alot of them started at a young age, but never fought their entire LIVES. They have not the wisdom to know what to do in an unexpected situation, or have not been tested to keep their emotions intact since they have not gone down with a person who may team up or not let them get up. Then you have people who are just good at hurting people naturally, and dont need the stereotype training to whoop some bootay.giljotiini

You realize we're on the verge of mentioning an old thread that . . well anyway we should probably get off this train of thought.

what old thread are we hinting at, old friend? lol

Originally posted by who?-kid
You don't have to be a martial artist to kick ass. SM has developed a unique fighting style based on his reflexes, agility, instinct and strength.

But because it's too confusing for you, I will make it even more clear, so instead of You don't have to be a martial artist to kick ass. SM has developed a unique fighting style based on his reflexes, agility, instinct and strength.

I will write

Spider-Man doesn't have to be a martial artist to kick ass. SM has developed a unique fighting style based on his reflexes, agility, instinct and strength.

Geez.

Stop being so mean who-kid

(sulking)

He started...

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Correction, I am the one that has been singing this tune for a long time. Batman is more than capable of surviving an unpulled punch by spiderman. This cancels spiderman's 10 or 15 ton strength doesn't it. (Unless spiderman just got an up grade which makes him stronger than a superman from the future or a superman under red kryptonite it ain't happening🙂) And please If you want [B]prove please ask I will be willing to help you🙂. I will even make easy for you to find this particular information. 🙂 yesssss

So now what you are saying is that batman has to be inside the batmobile before it can do anything. So batman does not have a remote control on his person that can have the batmobile to anything. You must think of batman as having really crappy tech.

😆Yep that cheap shot by Hal was so powerful that it knocked batman to the ground. Not only that batman was sleeping like a baby. But yet he was still continuous to say Hal is as arrogant as ever. Something on that line. And don't you know Hal without the ring is chop liver against Robin, green arrow, etc... I would have mentioned Nightwing, batgirl, Azreal, but that would be to much. [/B]

As for your second point, I'm not saying that Batman has to be inside the Batmobile for it to do anything. Just as he does not have to be inside it for Spidey to flip it. And if it's coming towards Spidey, Batman need not do anything before or after Spidey evades it early of a "heads up" courtesy of the spider sense beforehand.

Please oh please tell me how you get those groovy pictures under your name and with your signature. I rushed in registering

Oh and welcome back Straw

Originally posted by Creshosk
That actually isn't that unreasonable.

Spiderman's speed stat is listed at being faster than the average human.

Batman we know is also faster than the average human.

So we don't know how much faster spiderman is than batman.

This is based on fighting skills, not his spiderpowers. He's not a trained martial artist.

Spidey's speed stat has been listed both before and currently as to be SUPERHUMAN speed, beyond what any human could accomplish, period.

Note: this is set as both a pacing speed and speed in terms of reaction time.