Re: Batman Vs Spiderman
Originally posted by crazyspinz
ok, both these guys always win, no one knows why or how, they just do, the have both beaten guys who way out match them, but they always win, lets see how they fair against eachother
Spiderman. Batman phisically isn't going to do to well against a guy that lift over 15 tons. Spiderman can just web him and Batman is going to have a hard time getting out. 🙂
Originally posted by who?-kidAD populem.
Everything huh ?Everything but the outcome of the polls. Seems that the majority is disagreeing with you, I'm afraid...
(No, don't tell me, they are all fanboys 🙄 )
Appealing to what the majority thinks is illogical. As what the majority of people think doesn't make something true.
The majority of people thought the world was flat, the majority of people were wrong.
The majority of people thought that disease was caused by bad smeels, or an unblance of the humors in a person's body. the majority of people were wrong
The majority of people that the sun revolved around the earth. The majority of people were wrong.
Get the picture? Majority =/= right.
Originally posted byStrawNilla
Come now. Are you still trying to say that Batman can compensate for superhuman abilities greater than his own peak human abilities many times over? He can't. And when it comes to feeling the vibrations of the air, how can he do this to track someone with superhuman speed to a calibur such as Spidey's? This is starting to get redicoulous. It's not like these white martians have Spidey's superhuman abilities in the same abundance, and comparing Spidey to your everyday martial artist is not the best method of debating. I'm more than certain that this martial artist could not adhere to walls, sense danger before it occurs, lift 15 tons, have superhuman agility, scale a tightrope as easily as he or she could walk, take being thrown through brick walls and against steel doors or bullets on the run (yes, Spidey has done this, he fell unconscious about as soon as he got home, but he did do it), etc. like Spidey has. And flash grenades? What's to say this will do any good against Spidey's spider sense? He has common sense enough to move out of the way of one, not to mention that he could web one up and sling it back at Batman (the spider sense can be used to detect the direction in which an attack is coming depending on what direction the spider sense flares the most alarmingly). It's the same with gas bombs, he can clear out of the way of one easily, and he can hold his breath running through a gas cloud to Batman (the spider sense will warn Spidey of an ambush attack from Bats despite the possible loss of sight in such a gas cloud), and he doesn't have to confront Batman, he could just hold his breath until the gas cloud passes, or he could outrun it (remember that moment during his fight with Morlun when he outran that gas leak?) So, to answer your question, no, I can't see why you don't give physicality completely to Spidey.
taken from strawnilla......Come now. Are you still trying to say that Batman can compensate for superhuman abilities greater than his own peak human abilities many times over?......No offense but this is a stupid question, how else has batman been able to survive? The people batman fights are ten times better than him in all category, is this fact or is it some thing you decided over-look 🙂
taken from strawnilla....He can't. And when it comes to feeling the vibrations of the air, how can he do this to track someone with superhuman speed to a calibur such as Spidey's?....simple through training. The fact that batman was not able to follow this guy movements states that this guy was faster than batman. And batman feeling the vibration of the air was a way for batman to track this guy. And if you have not notice this also goes to prove my point about batman adapting during fights. I will not explain this but pic's speak louder than words. DO YOU WANT A PIC TO PROVE MY STATEMENT? I WILL UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T WANT IT.
taken from strawnilla....This is starting to get redicoulous. It's not like these white martians have Spidey's superhuman abilities in the same abundance, and comparing Spidey to your everyday martial artist is not the best method of debating. ....Men you have been out of JLA community for far to long. To think that spiderman's superhuman
abilities dwarf that of the white martians.😆
Batman's flash bang, gas, or what ever he has are little capsules. Sure spiderman is going to see it coming🙂 Sure spiderman might sense it coming but when has batman been one to just throw all his gadgets without having a plan. I will make it easy for you...never.
Originally posted byStrawNilla
As for DD KO'ing Spidey....utter crap. Really, there's no explanation for it. DD has NO superhuman strength, NO superhuman speed (esp. to the point where he could tag Spidey twelve times), NO superhuman agility, etc., etc., just bad writing
Compareing real world to that of comic is not going to get you any were. So training at the hands of a mystic had nothing for DD putting spiderman down? Because he is human🙂 and yet he has been pointed out by Jinzin and Merc. that DD has been able to tag spiderman on more than one occasion. It happened deal with it, I'm sorry you are already dealing with it. 😆. By saying it is bad writing as if DD never trained at the hands of a mystic. Or are mystics very bad fighters?
Originally posted by StrawNilla
Batman has NO history of adapting to a fighting style such as Spidey's to start off, and he won't any time soon either.
He has been doing for god knows how long. One more is not going to hurt. Besides, the odds are very high for batman adapting to spiderman unique style has he has been adapting to other different people unique fighting style over the years.🙂
And you have failed to explain how Spidey would not be able to clear enough of the blast radius to prevent from being KO'ed, Spidey can take it and will be ready enough to take the fight to Batman and exploit that jaw since, apparently, the suit he uses casually can take shots from a p***ed of Superman.
I have not failed, first come the distraction....ejection seat.....then after that then comes the secs. before the batmobile explode. Remember spiderman is at ground zero getting ready to throw or flip the car. Spider sense is going to kick in but spiderman is not going to be able to clear the blast radius because of missiles and machine guns that are going to give way making the explosion even bigger.🙂
Spidey can take it and will be ready enough to take the fight to Batman and exploit that jaw since, apparently, the suit he uses casually can take shots from a p***ed of Superman
Batman would be in real trouble if he was not the better fighter. Unfortunately that is the better fighter.
And Spidey's been hurt before (just look at his fights with Morlun and BT), that has never meant he was out of the fight. He can still take the fight to Batman and fight through the pain, superhuman durability and willpower is the key.
And batman has never been hurt before during a battle and decided to continue fighting without giving a thought to the injury he just suffered. Sure spiderman does this alot he has the superhuman strength to fall back on. Will batman on the other hand does not. And do not compare will power because batman has it is spades. Being sent to hell and becoming the prisoner of the god of torture Desaad on apocalypse. And he broke desaad. Not to mention breaking out of IMMORTU RAVEN'S SPELL. Willpower is all batman has. Your superhuman durability is nothing if you do not have the spirit or willpower to continue. So Superhuman durability < Willpower.
And Spidey is versatile, he can do alot of stuff. His stats alone are a testiment to that. Machine gun fire is nothing new to Spidey, he dodges it in a manner where someone would mistake him for playing dodgeball rather than evading for his life. It's nothing new. And he can dodge missiles if far enough way and, as I've said, if he concentrates deeply on the spider sense he can deal with missiles.
And batman has been winning his battles by just being a one track kind of guy. Versatility also works for batman even more than spiderman. Because he has his gadgets and a series of mobiles in which he could use.
Machine gun fire is nothing new to Spidey, he dodges it in a manner where someone would mistake him for playing dodgeball rather than evading for his life.
And batman has been dodging machine gun fire, sniper fire without the help of a spider sense until it is probably now second nature.
Originally posted by Creshosk
AD populem.Appealing to what the majority thinks is illogical. As what the majority of people think doesn't make something true.
The majority of people thought the world was flat, the majority of people were wrong.
The majority of people thought that disease was caused by bad smeels, or an unblance of the humors in a person's body. the majority of people were wrong
The majority of people that the sun revolved around the earth. The majority of people were wrong.
Get the picture? Majority =/= right.
The majority of people think killing is wrong.
The majority of people drink water to live.
etc... etc...
The comparisons you are citing hardly compare to a set of comic book fans agreeing that Spiderman would defeat Batman.
I do agree on the fact that Majority does not = right like you said; or more accurately, does not always = right. But, that doesn't mean all public opinion polls = wrong either. While some of the votes can be cast out (you'd have to do it for both sides, Spiderman would still be on top), it's still common sense to assume that a community of comic book fans, knowing Batman and Spiderman's powers, could make an educated vote towards who they think would win in a fight. That vote can't just be dismissed; neither could the theories that the world was flat or the sun revolved around the earth. Those theories were provided by some of the most scientifically sound people of their time. They had to be disproven; and as far as I can gather, no one has been able to prove Batman > Spiderman.
Originally posted by CreshoskGood post. A slim chance.
*shrugs* If he (Batman)get's lucky and depending on environment. . .He's got a chance. Not a large chance not even a medium chance, but he's got a chance.
Originally posted by lifeisaglichBatman usually has good environmental situations or opponents with easily exploitable weaknesses when he is physically outclassed. Not the same here.
The people batman fights are ten times better than him in all category, is this fact or is it some thing you decided over-look 🙂
[i]Originally posted by lifeisaglichHe never said that. Read what he said carefully. The White Martians are robbed of their powers when exposed to fire. Batman has dealt with Martians before. It wasn't too hard to put 2 and 2 together. Give ME a lighter and some gasoline and I'd kick White Martian behind. The same trick wouldn't work on Spidey.
taken from strawnilla....This is starting to get redicoulous. It's not like these white martians have Spidey's superhuman abilities in the same abundance, and comparing Spidey to your everyday martial artist is not the best method of debating. [/I]....Men you have been out of JLA community for far to long. To think that spiderman's superhuman
abilities dwarf that of the white martians.😆 [/B]
Originally posted by 8bitChrisYou don't understand fully do you?
The majority of people think killing is wrong.The majority of people drink water to live.
etc... etc...
The comparisons you are citing hardly compare to a set of comic book fans agreeing that Spiderman would defeat Batman.
I do agree on the fact that Majority does not = right like you said; or more accurately, does not always = right. But, that doesn't mean all public opinion polls = wrong either. While some of the votes can be cast out (you'd have to do it for both sides, Spiderman would still be on top), it's still common sense to assume that a community of comic book fans, knowing Batman and Spiderman's powers, could make an educated vote towards who they think would win in a fight. That vote can't just be dismissed; neither could the theories that the world was flat or the sun revolved around the earth. Those theories were provided by some of the most scientifically sound people of their time. They had to be disproven; and as far as I can gather, no one has been able to prove Batman > Spiderman.
What people think has no bearing on the truth, positive or negative.
The majority of people who voted in the lobo wolverine fight wanted wolverine to win. That's why he did. . . And that's the only reason.
Consensus =/= Truth.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
thank you I've explaineed this to him many timesYou can have all the training you want,but to go against a fully beserk polar bear is just pointless, you will lose.
True, But what is you have a gun against a beserk polar bear and you are good at using it. It will be a toss up, a 50-50. either you or the bear. This is what is mean. It will not be a spidey walkover (i not a spidey hater). Batman is way good at what he does. He is human (you have to give the guy the credit.) He will know spidey's super powers( like he did against spawn.) He knows he can't match spidey head-on and he does not need to.
And the hulk was not defeated by Batman with strength or anything. It was mere gas. It is stated in marvel that Hulk could be stopped that way.