Jinzin stated that Batman had on his regular stuff though. Not his alien stuff.
And that is why Strawnilla was looking for an answer as to why batman tech would be able to protect him from the likes of superman, darkseid, wonderwoman, and Captain Marvel's lighten strike....batman has intergrated earth tech with that of alien tech....before
Obviously, bats would win NO other way. And since spidey has no 'exploitable' weakness, he'd have a much more difficult time.
Bats can win obviously, just more often he wouldn't.
HE can break concrete, he can kill a person in one hit like it or not, I want a non bs reason to why batman would win, besides the fact he "can", anyone "can'' win a match.
If I was thrown through a glass window by Spider-Man and he looked out the window to see me hit the ground and he was so involved in watching me fall that he ignored his spider sense and a sharp sheet of glass fell from the window frame and decapitated him and somehow I managed to land on a bunch of garbage bags fractured everybone in my body and survived then I beat Spider-Man. I can beat Spiderman like this but what's the likelyhood of this actually happening. 😄
Just an illustration of the difference between "can" and "would most often".
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I'd put my money on Batman, he's the better fighter, tactician, has more versatility, better range, and more experience.
Tactician... probably. Better fighter and more experience is debatable. Versatility in what manner?
Range I give to Spider-Man he can wall crawl, webshoot and webswing. Batman's movements are limited to the ground but yes he does have projectile weapons.
Speed, agility, strength, durability, intelligence (of the academic variety) I give to Spider-Man so I call it a Spider-Man win. But you're welcome to convince me otherwise.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Tactition... probably. Better fighter and more experience is debatable. Versatility in what manner?
Range I give to Spider-Man he can wall crawl, webshoot and webswing. Batman's movements are limited to the ground but yes he does have projectile weapons.Speed, agility, strength, durability, intelligence (of the academic variety) I give to Spider-Man so I call it a Spider-Man win. But you're welcome to convince me otherwise.
Tactician most definitley, reasons include; he's the field leader of the JLA, He's taken it to master tacticians like Ras and Bane, he can see into his opponents brains.
Better figher easily. As Mitch has argued Spidey is the more effective fighter thanks to his physical gifts, but this is only a small advantage for spidey. Batman has taken it to many specimens far superior to him because he is indeed such a good fighter. He's broken one of Wonder Womans holds, he's taken on top amazons, and don't forget that his ususal bunch of enemies is underated, like when he's taken on the entire Mudpack. On the other hand, Daredevil has proven that having a superior fighting ability can lead to vicotry. Even Jigsaw managed to break one of Spidey's arms. So yes, the fighting advantage goes to Batman.
I suppose experience is debatable, although I beleive the variety of villians and the amount of villians that Bats has taken is considerably greater. The quality of villians I also beleive to be higher, Spiderman can outsmart like 95% of his villians, a luxury Batman does not share.
Versatility in the sense of gadegt superiority. While Spidey has done some really cool things with his webbing, Batman outweighs that in number of gadgets alone, and always takes an opportunity to use his gadgets in an unexpected or unorthodox way.
As for range we misunderstand eachother, I means as far as producing attacks that were ranged. Spiderman is obviously more maneuverable, although Batman is no slouch in this area. And I beleive "grounded" to hardly be a fair assessment.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Speed, agility, strength, durability, intelligence (of the academic variety) I give to Spider-Man so I call it a Spider-Man win. But you're welcome to convince me otherwise.
Speed is a small factor, Spiderman is only a small degree faster than peek humans as he has shown in his comics. let's say two combatants were equal except one was a better fighter and one was slightly faster, who would you expect to win?
Agility is obviously in Spiderman's court.
Durability is argueable. Batman's suit has proven to provide him with some protection from foes much stronger than spiderman. I beleive, also, that you underestimate Batman's potential for damage. He's defeated Solomun Grundy in hand to hand, someone far more durable than Spiderman.
I beleive that Batman edged out Spiderman's academic intellegence. His enemies are far more likely to try and use this against him so he has to be very aware of this kind of knowledge.
Even Jigsaw managed to break one of Spidey's arms.
That was one of the dumbest things I ever saw...okay Wolverine beating Superman...okay Venom beating Superman...Whatever...
Spiderman took stronger hits, he was in the grap of te hulk and he didnt break his bones and that Jigsaw comes and breaks his arm? Sorry bad writting.
You simply don't understand it, so you've decided to dismiss it.
It's called leverage.
A grappler who caught Spidey in suprise (which wouldn't be hard because he wouldn't even know what's going on in a grappling match) could easily break a persons arms several times stronger than them and more durable. It may indeed have been written poorly, but not unrealisitically.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Tactician most definitley, reasons include; he's the field leader of the JLA, He's taken it to master tacticians like Ras and Bane, he can see into his opponents brains.
Agreed.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Better figher easily. As Mitch has argued Spidey is the more effective fighter thanks to his physical gifts, but this is only a small advantage for spidey. Batman has taken it to many specimens far superior to him because he is indeed such a good fighter. He's broken one of Wonder Womans holds, he's taken on top amazons, and don't forget that his ususal bunch of enemies is underated, like when he's taken on the entire Mudpack. On the other hand, Daredevil has proven that having a superior fighting ability can lead to vicotry. Even Jigsaw managed to break one of Spidey's arms. So yes, the fighting advantage goes to Batman.
No it doesn't, it isn't a small advantage, spiderman would murder batman in hand to hand, its no way around it. Spiderman has beaten titania, who would eat 12 batmans for breakfast.
His fighting is so overrated here, considering he does little else besides traditional punches and kicks, spiderman has done much more impressive moves.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I suppose experience is debatable, although I beleive the variety of villians and the amount of villians that Bats has taken is considerably greater. The quality of villians I also beleive to be higher, Spiderman can outsmart like 95% of his villians, a luxury Batman does not share.
Not by a longshot. Spiderman's fights alone, there's a reason bats has the JLA to back his ass up. "Batmans villans" are usually guys like, 2face, riddler, and penguin, not very impressive, compared to VEnom, Carnage, and Black Tarantula.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Versatility in the sense of gadegt superiority. While Spidey has done some really cool things with his webbing, Batman outweighs that in number of gadgets alone, and always takes an opportunity to use his gadgets in an unexpected or unorthodox way.
Spiderman is all about unorthodox, there is really noone quite like him, thats why he is who he is. Climb a wall, sure. Swing away, no problem, spiderman is equipped for situations without much preparation, and if he had prep he'd be better off. Spiderman's items came from a school.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
As for range we misunderstand eachother, I means as far as producing attacks that were ranged. Spiderman is obviously more maneuverable, although Batman is no slouch in this area. And I beleive "grounded" to hardly be a fair assessment.
Batman has the moving disadvantage hands down, Spiderman is one of the best dodgers in the MU, you'd be surprised by what he could dodge.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Didn't beleive it till I saw it, It was a sparring match, although WW did share your disbeleif.
First it was a sparring match, Bats has a need to be shown doing best so often, like his Marvel counterpart Captain America, who broke the Hulk's grip.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Speed is a small factor, Spiderman is only a small degree faster than peek humans as he has shown in his comics. let's say two combatants were equal except one was a better fighter and one was slightly faster, who would you expect to win?
Spiderman is MUCH faster than these guys, hands down. In terms of running, probably not, but the stronger the muscles the faster he goes. He is a lightweight, and can outspeed cars if need be. Combat speed and running/typing speed are two different things. Spiderman has been described as a blur in high gear, which he hardly goes anyway. A faster runner wouldn't be faster in a fight than a faster fighter. And spiderman is a faster and stronger hitter than batman. Bats does little else than bassic punches and kicks.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You simply don't understand it, so you've decided to dismiss it.It's called leverage.
A grappler who caught Spidey in suprise (which wouldn't be hard because he wouldn't even know what's going on in a grappling match) could easily break a persons arms several times stronger than them and more durable. It may indeed have been written poorly, but not unrealisitically.
Leverage is putting your opponent in a posistion which leaves him more suseptible to attack, yes this allows you to soundly beat a stronger, larger opponent. But that only goes so far, spiderman is bad writing, ridiculous.