Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Spider-Man would probably beat Batman. It also depends on the environment. If it was in a somewhat non-open space, and also at night, Batman's chances double. If it is out in the open in broad daylight, Batman would have to use everything in his arsenal to be able to escape, because he would probably lose...
Disagree, night plays no factor, and a closed space worsens it, and even in those conditions, spiderman has too many factors playing for him.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Might not wanna use cartoons. In the 1st episode of JL, Batman got his a$$ kicked by an alien dog that crawled up walls.
I saw this....and it does not hurt my case none....You know why it is just showing you guys that batman has lost battles before even if it is to alien dogs..😆
Originally posted by brainchild81
How toned down was Amazo, I thought he was just missing the GL ring and lasso?
A toned down amazo is an amazo that batman can win agaisnts but the fact that Amazo was only missing a GL ring and a Lasso only speaks volume in favor of batman standing toe to toe with the big boys.. no matter how big they are....
Originally posted by brainchild81
Amazing. You totally left out the part where Marvel was weakened when you first brought Bats Vs Marvel as evidence. I wonder why?
Here is the kettle.....calling the pot black....
Isn't it the same reason why you guys kept shouting that spiderman hurt the hulk...
Spider-Man would probably beat Batman. It also depends on the environment. If it was in a somewhat non-open space, and also at night, Batman's chances double. If it is out in the open in broad daylight, Batman would have to use everything in his arsenal to be able to escape, because he would probably lose...
Now this is something that is more true to the batman character....he finds out that he cannot take you...he runs away alowing you to celebrate you victory only to have who ever did what ever thing they did to him cry mommy...in a not so good way
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You write that with surprise? Because you think Batman will actually be able to land a blow on him?Seriously, Jinzin, I want you to know that you do make many good points in every post I've seen (though for some reason we're ALWAYS on opposite sides), and I do respect you, because most of the time you're very logical about it.
And then there are times when you think things like this, that Batman would even be able to hit Spiderman at all, let alone defeat him. Like CM said, technique (at least in this situation) just really doesn't play a factor, not when your opponent blatantly outclasses you in every physical aspect, precognition, as well as being an extremely quick thinker.
I don't just go around and say that everyone can beat Batman, sometimes I do think he wins as well. Just not this fight.
whao...well thanks for the compliments but I think you misunderstood me.... or my point anyways....
it was implied that batman's punches would be completely inaffective against spiderman.... well obviously if batman can hit with that much force...and considering he's an expert martial artist of all forms and styles with peak human strength he should be hitting with A LOT more power than the ones in the expirement....
so his punches won't be ineffective against spidey....now yes you can argue that he can't even hit spiderman..but once again feats would imply otherwise....whenever spiderman gets into it with a very talented h2h fighter (even if it's "just a peak human"😉 he either gets one hell of a run for his money, humiliated, or stalemated. This leads me to believe that while spiderman can dance circles around untrained fighters and crazy or mentally unbalanced villains (as most of his rogues gallery happen to be either or both), his child-like antics and lack of honed and tempored fighting ability doesn't fair out so hot against good h2h specialists.... ( a perfect example of this is jason mcandale. the hobgoblin. this guy was an expert in h2h and using every known weapon, and he gave spiderman hell BEFORE he got his suped up powers, however after getting a demonic power up, he became mentally unbalanced and after a few decent showings against spidey and friends, he became entirely too reliant on his powers alone and then spiderman began to beat the daylights out of him like it was his regular day job or something). Unlike bullets and lazers which spiderman dodges all the time, a h2h expert can lead the target and anticipate his movements...this is my reasoning for why spiderman has had such problems from peak humans with decent fighting abilities... inspite of his powers he's still no expert fighter and in terms of quick thinking...well batman and spiderman are barely comparible but batman definietly takes precidence.....I'm not saying batman is going to win in a slugfest...just that his suit provides him super human durability...enough to go toe to toe with spidey and his fighting ability is good enough to keep pace...they won't afford him a victory....but then again in my opinion this fight is 50/50.
Originally posted by savagerampage
batman is no where near as fast as spiderman, spiderman lifts about 10 - 15 tons? a couple punches from spiderman and batman is down for the count! batman is just a normal dude after all!
Batman is a normal human!!!...a normal human who is a member of the JLA...leads powerhouses the likes the world have never seen...and is the founding member of the world's greatest superhero team ...and has been doubted one of the most dangerous man alive among the powerhouses that he sometimes commands.....my friend batman is anything but normal
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Batman deals the damage of a car wreck? 🤨
So behind ever punch is the momentum of a moving vehicle?
A car weighs tons, Batman (last time I checked unless he's really let himself go) does not, a car has the momentum of that weight behind it. The transfer of momentum from the moving body (the car) to the stationary body (the person) is what causes the damage.
it's been scientifically proven in the real world by people with less skill and strength than batman's said to have...
Originally posted by brainchild81
How toned down was Amazo, I thought he was just missing the GL ring and lasso? Amazing. You totally left out the part where Marvel was weakened when you first brought Bats Vs Marvel as evidence. I wonder why?🙂
it wasn't like he was on the verg of exhuastion man, he was still fighting hard...maybe you should read the book....
Originally posted by The MISTER
I put alot of thought into wht jinzin posted earlier about disregarding personalities and how that is NOT something we should do and I would have to say that he is correct.The thing is though that by making heroes fight heroes to the death in this forum and without holding back we are not changing their personalities because holding back is not a personality trait, its an inhibition.
Inhibitions are thrown out in these battles because with them intact heroes will never destroy each they will join forces and find a way to make all of our computers explode in our faces for trying to make them battle to the death.
Inhibitions determine how much anyone holds back and we have determined that both sides will go all out.
Spider-man's inhibitions keep him from being a head splattering murderer but he is very capable of striking any human with enough force to cause internal bleeding wherever he connects.
I do hope that we can refrain from inhibiting the capabilities of heroes and saying that we are simply cinsidering their personality. Personality would determine whether or not a combatant rushes into combat without formulating a plan ( HULK ) or whether a combatant is a tactical fighter that formulates plans and analyzes an opponent (Cap).
Batman can win only 10% of the time in a fight like this and I may be giving him more credit than he is due considering the abilities of his opponent and the fact that said opponent is not inhibited.
is this a fight to the death? I was told it was in character...in any case...if batman's inabiltions are set aside he takes out his sonic freq emitor to keep spidey at a distance and then has the batwing jet come and blow spidey up...end of story...and it's not even something batman's incapible of...
"Batman can win, and I like him very much, but I simply don't see this in a hand to hand confrontation. Take the ailens for example and place them hand 2hand with a marine, not very pretty. Even though a marine can fight SKILLFULLY, they are simply overwhelmed by the prowress of an ailen, along with the speed and such, and spidermans more dangerous, strong etc. than an ailen. Add inprecognition, and put him in bloodlust( forum guidelines), and bat is simply overwhelmed in hand2hand, because he has not enough options"
you tell me about irrelivency and then bring this up? wtf? spiderman would most likely be killed in a h2h confrontation with an alien too....that's hardly a good comparison..
hmmmm kingpin is a big man with decent fighting ability and has right out rocked spiderman's world....bane is bigger stronger and a better fighter, AND a better tactician, but he doesn't stand achance in your mind? 😕
okay since we're using cartoons....and since you seem to discard all the actuall times batman's kicked clayface all over the place... ....here's one of batman's roagues taking it to the JLA. what's more, the events in this series actually have SOME relivence to DC earth...go figure...
I've done the same many times. I've already stated my thoughts on this fight and seen no point in reiterating; it's why I've been absent from this thread.
Batman can and will win sometimes, just as Spidey will. As I've said before, it's easy to argue for Spider-Man with all of his super powers and physical ability, however, try arguing for the character you don't think would readily win at first. It's a work-out.
It's easy to argue for Spidey, but this fight simply isn't as easy as all that. Batman can win without having it be his most difficult battle ever.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Argh... No one is denying that Batman is an incredibly skilled fighter and could pull off a win. But no one on the Batman side seems to even acknowledge the fact that Spiderman could win let alone accept that more often than not Spiderman would pull off a win.
Argh.. and I hate when Spiderman people don't read my post and see I been said Spidey Wins some of them
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I've done the same many times. I've already stated my thoughts on this fight and seen no point in reiterating; it's why I've been absent from this thread.Batman can and will win sometimes, just as Spidey will. As I've said before, it's easy to argue for Spider-Man with all of his super powers and physical ability, however, try arguing for the character you don't think would readily win at first. It's a work-out.
It's easy to argue for Spidey, but this fight simply isn't as easy as all that. Batman can win without having it be his most difficult battle ever.
agreed...I just don't get how being human is a handicap to batman in this fight when he takes it to superhuman characters all the time...he's gone head to head with etrigan for christs sakes, a character who's gone toe to toe with lobo and held his own.... being human is what makes batman an impressive character, no need to discard his impressive feats as PIS simply because they put spidey in danger from a theoritical perspective.