Oh the fight where batman was not trying to take dearstroke in. The fight where batman was there to talk deathstroke into turning himself in. Because Nightwing told batman that deathstroke saved his life.
That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious he said I would hate to go against the batman with out my enhancements.
That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious he was heading to a meat freezer, saw an old man being beaten by thugs. He took out his guns and blasted those people in the knee cap.
That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious a man with a crow bar in a meat freezer beat deathstroke to death because of the beating he received from batman. A dude with no background in fighting what so ever beat deathstroke to a pulp. Is this the encounter you are referring to, because if it is I am with you.🙂
Originally posted by lifeisaglichWow that's great! But DS still kicked his a$$ for him.
Oh the fight where batman was not trying to take dearstroke in. The fight where batman was there to talk deathstroke into turning himself in. Because Nightwing told batman that deathstroke saved his life.That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious he said I would hate to go against the batman with out my enhancements.
That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious he was heading to a meat freezer, saw an old man being beaten by thugs. He took out his guns and blasted those people in the knee cap.
That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious a man with a crow bar in a meat freezer beat deathstroke to death because of the beating he received from batman. A dude with no background in fighting what so ever beat deathstroke to a pulp. Is this the encounter you are referring to, because if it is I am with you.🙂
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
The element of suprise is not always sneaking up on someone. Don't you know anything about the art of war. To be unpredictable you have to be a master of manipulating the matrix of expectations. This is what fighting's all about. So by you're reasoning Batman can't lose his edge and all the advantages are his.
And what exactly are Batmans advantages? Think about it no superstrength, no heightened abilites at all... Batman is at a disadvantage throughout the entire match. Spidey not only uses his Spider sense but Batman does not have the strength to break out of his webbing and the last time i checked Spidey has still gone untouched against flying projectiles (ie. Batarangs) Batman never had a chance!
Originally posted bybrainchild81
Wow that's great! But DS still kicked his a$$ for him.
I now batman has an excuse for getting wasted by Deathstroke. The excuse is He was not trying to take in Deathstroke. Because Nightwing told him that deathstroke saved his life.
What is deathstroke's own excuse for getting beaten by a complete and utter armature?
"Something tells me you're quite young. Bat's never beats the JLA or Amazo by himself. Don't be crazy. Spidey handles the Sinester Six by himself. You honestly think Bats would survive them? Bats would never beat Spidey without prep. Bats kicks a$$. But Deathstroke kicks it much harder."
dude read some of the newer DC titles batman and nightwing straight up took it right to amazo...dodging heat vision and everything....spiderman's not faster than heat vision.
"And what exactly are Batmans advantages? Think about it no superstrength, no heightened abilites at all... Batman is at a disadvantage throughout the entire match. Spidey not only uses his Spider sense but Batman does not have the strength to break out of his webbing and the last time i checked Spidey has still gone untouched against flying projectiles (ie. Batarangs) Batman never had a chance!"
dude....if you're going to underestimate batman based on the fact that he's a human.....you're making the same mistake so many other villains and heroes have made in the past that have got their asses handed to them by bats.......that's why batman is the man.....he's just a regular dude......but super in his own way.
Originally posted by jinzinFirst. Thanks for proving me right about "not by himself". Second I heard that was a much weaker Amazo. & even then you gotta admit that was Bull. Spider-Man is way faster than Bats. You crazy?
"Something tells me you're quite young. Bat's never beats the JLA or Amazo by himself. Don't be crazy. Spidey handles the Sinester Six by himself. You honestly think Bats would survive them? Bats would never beat Spidey without prep. Bats kicks a$$. But Deathstroke kicks it much harder."dude read some of the newer DC titles batman and nightwing straight up took it right to amazo...dodging heat vision and everything....spiderman's not faster than heat vision.
The reason that Batman cannot win this fight is because If they are noticing each other for the first time at the same time as each other Batman will not be aware of what this guy is capable of and undoubtedly underestimate him. Either they both know of what the other is capable of or neither of them do so Spidey has the advantage in either case because if he's aware of what Batman is capable of then Bats won't get a chance to use his weapons before Spider-man (Who most definitely and inarguably does possess tremendous inhuman speed and that is undeniably a consistent statement) will disarm him as none of his enemies have ever done before. He will simply jump and cover many yards with that jump and suddenly be out of Batmans sight and though he won't be out of his sight for long a split second is all it takes for Spidey to confound this humans senses no matter how much ninja, samauri, jujitsu, or military training he has. He CAN"T match Spidey's Speed realistically because doing that would make his speed superhuman and his speed is not we all agree there, right? He can't break any hold placed on him by Spidey because he CAN"T match his strengh and everyone agrees with that as well, right? And finally he can't use gas unless he has on his mask and he's fighting Spider-man so he isn't going to have free time to apply that unless he get's knocked away and that must mean he does get hit at least once and once is all it would take realistically because Batman's bones and muscles are NOT as strong as the chimney Spidey decimated in that fight with Wolverine and I thank jinzin for making us all familiar with that picture. Spidey can render the Batmobile useless so that offers no help to the bat. As I stated before the cape is a disadvantage when fighting someone strong enough to grab it and sling the wearer around like a bola. Batman has never beaten anyone with his regular assortment of tricks that Spidey couldn't beat without breathing hard. And Batman's tricks aren't like Wacko from the Animaniacs bag that holds everything. Spidey can run out of webbing and the Bat can run out of weapons. The weapon's are his only chance and Spidey would be dead now if his Spider-sense didn't save him from 99% of the bullets and lasers and lighning blasts fired at him. So to give Batman his due he will only lose this fight 99% of the time.
Now If they are both unfamiliar with each other Bat's loses 100% of the time because he looks more ominous than Spider-man so if anything Spidey will overestimate especially if that spider-sense is going crazy.
Batman can't help but underestimate because Spidey doesn't look like much at first and Bats doesn't have a sixth sense that lets him know how dangerous his opponent is. The only way Batman can be certain of victory is if he survives the first fight and did somehow manage to get some of Spideys blood. Batman is smart enough to administer an antidote of his own creation to Spidey. But this fight isn't "second encounter and Batman can remove Spideys powers now" is it?
Batman can't win. Suck it up and go back to defending the trio cause their chances are much better than batmans
"First. Thanks for proving me right about "not by himself". Second I heard that was a much weaker Amazo. & even then you gotta admit that was Bull. Spider-Man is way faster than Bats. You crazy?"
considering amazo's powers and the fact that bats and nightwing are regular guys I think it evens out.....spidey's not faster than heat vision....are you crazy?
"Batman will not be aware of what this guy is capable of and undoubtedly underestimate him."
ummmm no...since when does bat's underetimate people?
"so Spidey has the advantage in either case because if he's aware of what Batman is capable of then Bats won't get a chance to use his weapons"
ummmm. stilllll a no....batman's unpredictable even against his very close allies.
"will disarm him as none of his enemies have ever done before."
like superman did with his superspeed right?.....letmethink OH YEAH...no
"He will simply jump and cover many yards with that jump and suddenly be out of Batmans sight and though he won't be out of his sight for long a split second is all it takes for Spidey to confound this humans senses no matter how much ninja, samauri, jujitsu, or military training he has."
ummmmmm give me one example of when bats sense weren't enough to compensate.
" He can't break any hold placed on him by Spidey because he CAN"T match his strengh and everyone agrees with that as well, right?"
ummm I got 5 words for you pressure points, low blow, cheating.
"And finally he can't use gas unless he has on his mask and he's fighting Spider-man so he isn't going to have free time to apply that "
he took down Hulk with knock out gas without a rebreather on....what's to stop him here?
"Batman's bones and muscles are NOT as strong as the chimney Spidey decimated in that fight with Wolverine "
considering his martial arts experience...you're right...they hould me much much much harder...
"Spidey can render the Batmobile useless so that offers no help to the bat."
machine guns and bombs...I think it does.
"Batman can't help but underestimate'
admit it you don't read batman comics do you? he doesn't underestimate...
"Batman can't win. Suck it up and go back to defending the trio cause their chances are much better than batmans
agreed at least batman will leave spiderman alive after he's done smacking parker around.
Originally posted by jinzin
"Batman will not be aware of what this guy is capable of and undoubtedly underestimate him."ummmm no...since when does bat's underetimate people?
"so Spidey has the advantage in either case because if he's aware of what Batman is capable of then Bats won't get a chance to use his weapons"
ummmm. stilllll a no....batman's unpredictable even against his very close allies.
"will disarm him as none of his enemies have ever done before."
like superman did with his superspeed right?.....letmethink OH YEAH...no
"He will simply jump and cover many yards with that jump and suddenly be out of Batmans sight and though he won't be out of his sight for long a split second is all it takes for Spidey to confound this humans senses no matter how much ninja, samauri, jujitsu, or military training he has."
ummmmmm give me one example of when bats sense weren't enough to compensate.
" He can't break any hold placed on him by Spidey because he CAN"T match his strengh and everyone agrees with that as well, right?"
ummm I got 5 words for you pressure points, low blow, cheating.
"And finally he can't use gas unless he has on his mask and he's fighting Spider-man so he isn't going to have free time to apply that "
he took down Hulk with knock out gas without a rebreather on....what's to stop him here?
"Batman's bones and muscles are NOT as strong as the chimney Spidey decimated in that fight with Wolverine "
considering his martial arts experience...you're right...they hould me much much much harder...
"Spidey can render the Batmobile useless so that offers no help to the bat."
machine guns and bombs...I think it does.
"Batman can't help but underestimate'
admit it you don't read batman comics do you? he doesn't underestimate...
"Batman can't win. Suck it up and go back to defending the trio cause their chances are much better than batmans
agreed at least batman will leave spiderman alive after he's done smacking parker around.
1.Not overestimating Spidey when you're human is underestimating and it is impossible to just guess what a superheroes powers are. Spidey can at least sense danger levels and where they are coming from.
2.Almost all of Spider-mans enemies are totally unpredictable. Almost all of batmans are.( Excluding Joker)
3.I see another example using Superman who always loses against the superior strengh and speed of Batman 😆
4.Wasn't there a picture a few pages back of all Batmans senses failing except his pain receptors?5
5.Any simple hold with Spider-mans strength will kill or cripple Batman before he can attempt a counter. eg Spidey bear hugs him and he pops like a champagne bottle immediatlely.
6.You say that Batman took out the Hulk with gas huh?😆 😆 😆 😱 😆
You just proved that you were right when you stated earlier that crossovers were irrelavent. And you know that gas doesn't work on the hulk that well. You shouldn't make it so obvious when you're grasping at straws 😉
7.last time I checked milk makes bones stronger, not martial arts training. His bones are not superstrong and Bane proved that.( I just have to add that Bane is way way way way weaker than Spidey )
8. When it's covered with web fluid it's going to backfire the guns and the bombs just destroy the car. Don't forget Spidey's aim is superhuman as well( It's in amazing fantasies #1)he obviously uses his peripheral when he's web-slinging and that's no small feat
9.He won't overestimate because it's inconceivable that someone Spidey's size and appearance would challenge the guy who humbles superman(with kryptonite) But you are right cause I have only read almost all of his graphic novels but I won't pay for the comics.
10.Batman can't win at all in any way. BUT I have to give you your props on giving me such a good debate that I carry it away from the computer. Tight Work! 😄 Stick with the trio cause at least they have numbers on their side. tight work dog tight work 😄 I am done with this thread. two fingers upafro2
Spider-man can use the Batmobile to his advantage by picking it up and throwing it.If Bane can dint the sh!t out of it Spider-man can f()ck it up real bad.With no prep time what is Batman going to do.Do you really think that Batman is going dodge all of Spider-man attacks(with Batman's grater speed lol)and Spider-man will be the one getting hit(because Batman fist and bat rings are way faster then bullets).What does SM loose his spider sense and super speed & reflexes.Tell why Batman can dodge every attack and all the web from Spider-man and thank of a plan wile doing so.But yet SM spider sense and speed will not help him jump away from gas,dodge pressure point attacks,dodge bat rings nets and missiles.You are will not get one hit are any web on batman the hole time even tho he is faster,and Batman with no prep will hit Spider-man with every he has and work even tho Spider-man has spider sense that Batman does not know about.I mean if Batman new about his spider sense he would win 8/10 times and if he had prep time he would win 9/10.But in this fight he has a 1/10 chance.
Originally posted by jinzin
[Bhe took down Hulk with knock out gas without a rebreather on....what's to stop him here?[/B]
And besides, Spider-Man is A LOT smarter than Hulk.
Originally posted byThe MISTER
1.Not overestimating Spidey when you're human is underestimating and it is impossible to just guess what a superheroes powers are. Spidey can at least sense danger levels and where they are coming from.
2.Almost all of Spider-mans enemies are totally unpredictable. Almost all of batmans are.( Excluding Joker)
3.I see another example using Superman who always loses against the superior strengh and speed of Batman
4.Wasn't there a picture a few pages back of all Batmans senses failing except his pain receptors?5
5.Any simple hold with Spider-mans strength will kill or cripple Batman before he can attempt a counter. eg Spidey bear hugs him and he pops like a champagne bottle immediatlely.
6.You say that Batman took out the Hulk with gas huh?
You just proved that you were right when you stated earlier that crossovers were irrelavent. And you know that gas doesn't work on the hulk that well. You shouldn't make it so obvious when you're grasping at straws
7.last time I checked milk makes bones stronger, not martial arts training. His bones are not superstrong and Bane proved that.( I just have to add that Bane is way way way way weaker than Spidey )
8. When it's covered with web fluid it's going to backfire the guns and the bombs just destroy the car. Don't forget Spidey's aim is superhuman as well( It's in amazing fantasies #1)he obviously uses his peripheral when he's web-slinging and that's no small feat
9.He won't overestimate because it's inconceivable that someone Spidey's size and appearance would challenge the guy who humbles superman(with kryptonite) But you are right cause I have only read almost all of his graphic novels but I won't pay for the comics.
10.Batman can't win at all in any way. BUT I have to give you your props on giving me such a good debate that I carry it away from the computer. Tight Work! Stick with the trio cause at least they have numbers on their side. tight work dog tight work I am done with this thread. two fingers up
I was going to reply to me it sounds like you do not know what you are talking about. 😆 Or maybe it is the way you post.
P.S. if you are going to write post this long. At least give the readers a chance for their eyes to rest. Maybe this way your writing will not be full of inconsistencies making it harder for people understand.