Originally posted by jinzin
but you can clearly see spider man's super speed right here.....
1. That is Speed Demon, he has superhuman speed. He is simply much much faster than Spider-Man.
2. Spider-Man has defeated Speed Demon I think always lol.
3. Why don't you post some pics of the next comic, in which Speed Demon gets his ass kicked by Spider-Man ?
4. I'd like to see Batman fighting Speed Demon (all together now Batman lovers : He's Batman, he'll find a way !!)
By the way, it's a bit pathetic to try to prove your point that Spider-Man isn't superfast, by showing scans of a character who travels so fast you can hardly see him.
That's like saying Spider-Man doesn't have superstrength, because Hulk is stronger.
Okay, look. Spiderman is NOT superfast. That is, in terms of actually running and moving speed and such. He is, however, faster than a normal human running and moving. He is not as fast as Quicksilver, Speed Demon, or Northstar. No, he's not. He is, however, very fast when not compared to these guys.
And I think what who?-kid has been trying to say is that because of his super enhanced reflexes and enhanced speed, he is able to move extremely fast in other to dodge certain things. If he wasn't superfast, he would not be able to dodge bullets. And I know he has a Spidey-sense, but without actually moving his body to respond to it, it is worthless. That's also how he can dodge a barrage of bullets and lasers while in mid-air. His reflexes plus his enhanced speed allow him to easily dodge extremely fast projectiles and other things.
Again, NOT FASTER than Quicksilver, Speed Demon, Northstar, any other super speedster. Just much faster than all humans a lot of his of his other enemies. Much faster than Batman.
Originally posted by brainchild81
You've gotta be kidding me. Spidey is way faster than Batman. Spidey has "Spidey"speed. Bats is a HUMAN. That book was obviously crap. Crossovers are notorius for crapiness. But if you wanna use 'em as back up so can I. Read the Bat VS Pred 2. I think it was 2. Pred beat Bats up w/a common stick. KOed him. Bats had to get help from Huntress to stay alive. & Pred wasn't moving like the Flash either!
I do not think it was a crossover because the preds have made a couple of appearances. Anyways do the preds have a comic? Good but I think batman returned the favor by beating a pred. with a baseball bat. Even trade don't you think. 🙂
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Are you serious? You're honestly going to sit there and say that?Have you forgotten, oh, I don't know...DR. OTTO OCTAVIUS? A freakin genius! And hm...who else? The Lizard (When Dr. Connors is in control). The Green Goblin perhaps? Quite the INTELLIGENT, diabolichal character if you ask me. Kingpin? Yea.
You know when I started writing about spiderman's villains are not a smart bunch. Dr. Otto Octavius was one of the first person that came to mind. Now you have some good ones and the only person that sticks out as being the smartest of the bunch that you wrote is the Kingpin. He even controls Dr. Otto Octavius AKA Dr. Octopus.
In terms of speed flash is a the master so I tend to make a scale. So what can speed demon do to the flash?
Spiderman is much faster that batman in terms of reflexes (AS MERC. HAS AGREED TO) , but I think he means that spiderman reflexes is not as fast so as to leave batman in the dust. And if spiderman's reflexes are being judged by how he dodges machine guns, and lasers. Instances can be provided where batman does the same thing.
Ok, enhanced relexes do not equal superspeed.
It's so hard for me not spew forth some insults right now but I'm going to rise above it.
Let's say you're at the doctor office for a check up. One thing the doc will check for is REFLEXES (yes boys and girls, relflexes is a real word that actually means something.) So there you are at the doctor when he takes his little hammer thingy to your knee, it takes you something like .5 seconds to react. This reaction time is the measure of your reflexes (there's that word again!) Next Spidey steps up and his reflexes(how many times will i say it?) are tested next. When the doctor does the same thing to him it only takes him .075 parts of second to react (Ooooo, that's fast!)
Now, does his limb actually move any faster than yours did? No, of course not, only sooner.
Is spider-man fast? yeah, about as fast a human in his good condition should be. Are there humans who are just as fast if not faster? Spidey seems to think so.
Wait. What? Spider-Man isn't super fast? He's super strong and thus super fast. The stronger the muscles in a limb are, the faster it moves. What you're saying makes absolutely no sense.
That being said, it's going to come down to Batman being able to outsmart Spider-Man, which is way beyond possible; I just think Batman's strategically superior. But if Batman just went in with his figuratively speaking guns a-blazin', he'd go down.
"That being said, it's going to come down to Batman being able to outsmart Spider-Man, which is way beyond possible; I just think Batman's strategically superior. But if Batman just went in with his figuratively speaking guns a-blazin', he'd go down."
maybe...the guy spars with wonderwoman so physically spidey wouldn't be THAT impressive....but then again when does batman ever fight like this? it's not his character....but yeah his stronger muscles give him some extra speed....just not to the levels the spidey fans would claim.
I doubt Wonder Woman uses her full strength against Batman; if she did, she'd crush his bones. And no, Spider-Man is never going to be as fast as people like Quicksilver, Flash, Speed Demon, etc., but he is superhumanly fast. Often times, however, Spidey's tried to dodge something and though he's reacted fast enough, his body simply isn't fast enough to dodge, so Spidey's fast -- incredibly so -- but there are far too many characters that can outclass him in that regard.
But Batman isn't one of them.
"I doubt Wonder Woman uses her full strength against Batman; if she did, she'd crush his bones. And no, Spider-Man is never going to be as fast as people like Quicksilver, Flash, Speed Demon, etc., but he is superhumanly fast. Often times, however, Spidey's tried to dodge something and though he's reacted fast enough, his body simply isn't fast enough to dodge, so Spidey's fast -- incredibly so -- but there are far too many characters that can outclass him in that regard.
But Batman isn't one of them."
no argument here....I was just saying that the spidey fans have a misguided concept of spiderman's actual speed...he's fast though..can't take that away from him....and it's impressive that bat is fighting ww at any level.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Wait. What? Spider-Man isn't super fast? He's super strong and thus super fast. The stronger the muscles in a limb are, the faster it moves. What you're saying makes absolutely no sense.
You mean like Juggernaut and Thing. They're super fast now too eh, oh ok, that makes perfect sense.
Originally posted by hellbound
Spidermans spider sense outwits Batmans human logic any day. Batman loses the element of surprise his only real edge. Thus Spidey gains all the advantages Spidey wins by a landslide.
The element of suprise is not always sneaking up on someone. Don't you know anything about the art of war. To be unpredictable you have to be a master of manipulating the matrix of expectations. This is what fighting's all about. So by you're reasoning Batman can't lose his edge and all the advantages are his.