Batman vs Spiderman

"You mean like Juggernaut and Thing. They're super fast now too eh, oh ok, that makes perfect sense."

well i actually think that these characters are just too husky to move at super speeds....spiderman's got super strength but a light body...so logically his speed should be increased by quite a bit...nothin batman can't handle but spidey's still pretty damn fast.

"Spidermans spider sense outwits Batmans human logic any day. Batman loses the element of surprise his only real edge. Thus Spidey gains all the advantages Spidey wins by a landslide.'

ummmm....you don't .....read many batman comics...do you?

You mean like Juggernaut and Thing. They're super fast now too eh, oh ok, that makes perfect sense.

Juggernaut's a special case. His strength is really based around something else entirely. As for the Thing, not for running, perhaps, but he can probably throw his fist a whole lot faster than someone else. But jinzin is also right -- both characters aren't exactly built for speed either.

Spidermans spider sense outwits Batmans human logic any day. Batman loses the element of surprise his only real edge. Thus Spidey gains all the advantages Spidey wins by a landslide.

...Not exactly. Spider-Man might be able to tell when Batman is going to attack, but he won't know how or with what; just when and how badly it'll hurt. And I don't think Batman's going to go straight up against Spidey anyway. He's too smart for that.

"...Not exactly. Spider-Man might be able to tell when Batman is going to attack, but he won't know how or with what; just when and how badly it'll hurt. And I don't think Batman's going to go straight up against Spidey anyway. He's too smart for that."

first batman unloads tear gas to blind spidey,,,then KO gas to make him woozy...then he lobbs some bat grenades....so long parker.......

.....then he runs him over with his car for good measure.

Exactly!

I'm not saying Spidey isn't fast, just that Strength doesn't necessarily equal speed. If I say a skinny toned guy, I'd trust he could outrun a body builder wouldn't you? Look at Bruce lee, the guy had blinding speed, Spidey might be as fast if not faster than this guy, but that's just my point, Spidey is no faster than a Human can become. And he's probably not faster than peak level Batman.

"I'm not saying Spidey isn't fast, just that Strength doesn't necessarily equal speed. If I say a skinny toned guy, I'd trust he could outrun a body builder wouldn't you?"

no not really....but I've been in track and feild for the last 4 years.....though I'll admit there are some fast gangle-kids out there...most of the really fast guys are like parkers build...sometime slightly bigger...but i see where you'r coming from...

" Look at Bruce lee, the guy had blinding speed, Spidey might be as fast if not faster than this guy, but that's just my point, Spidey is no faster than a Human can become. And he's probably not faster than peak level Batman."

I'll just have to disagree with you on this one.....spidey's muscles are packing more power, more spring to them because of the strength factor..but we're all in agreement that bats creams spidey...so lets just leave it at that.

Originally posted by jinzin
no not really....but I've been in track and feild for the last 4 years.....though I'll admit there are some fast gangle-kids out there...most of the really fast guys are like parkers build...sometime slightly bigger...but i see where you'r coming from...

I didn't mean gangly, all olympic level runners nowadays look pretty buff but I was talking in comparison to an olympic build body builder. There's obviously a reason they don't compete in track and field.

true......but like i said spiderman has more of athletic build....light body....with the comparitive strength of alot of those bodybuilders....so the power's there to be waaaay fast....like I said...bat's still wastes him...but he's faster than a peak human.

You really think he's faster than peak human? I could of sworn I remember him saying something about Wolvie being faster than him. Personally I've always attributed Spidey's shortcomings to his lack of discipline. I think he could be faster than peak human, with training.

As a matter of fact i've always contemplated that If spiderman had batman's training/determination he'd pretty much be the ultimate character.

"You really think he's faster than peak human? I could of sworn I remember him saying something about Wolvie being faster than him. Personally I've always attributed Spidey's shortcomings to his lack of discipline. I think he could be faster than peak human, with training."

Oh he did....I think he was just very very surprised by how fast wolverine actually is....and wolverine has shown to be almost superhumanly fast on more than a few occasions......I don't think that spiderman's sooooo fast that street level guys can't lay a hand on him cause....well....they have.....but spidey's definitely fast as hell....but then again....so is wolverine. I'd venture to say wolverine is way faster than your average peak human though just because he's slightly above human levels and because of his expert ninja training.

i always thought that darkclaw (the wolverine batman amalgam) with a venom symbiote would be the ultimate character.

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh he did....I think he was just very very surprised by how fast wolverine actually is....and wolverine has shown to be almost superhumanly fast on more than a few occasions......I don't think that spiderman's sooooo fast that street level guys can't lay a hand on him cause....well....they have.....but spidey's definitely fast as hell....but then again....so is wolverine. I'd venture to say wolverine is way faster than your average peak human though just because he's slightly above human levels and because of his export ninja training.

Yeah, that makes some sense to me.

Batman will die after this fight
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after fightstretcher

maybe with prep he can do this 😆 robot

Well, you've proven that you have an impressive array of smileys, but nothing else.

Originally posted by Mainstream
This is Batman...the man who has backup plans for his backup plans for his backup plans for his backup plans for his backup plans.

This is the only reason batman has survived in the comic world as long as he has. The ridiculous notion that enough planning can render him completely invincible. I have stated this before and it must be stated again that there are no cliffhanging plot-lines in these threads. Batman will never be victorious over Spider-man in the comics because no writing could get so misconstrued that Batman overcomes all of Spidey's abilities. In this battle the only thing that Batmans fans can fall on is the fake invincibility that he has showcased up until Bane and ever since Bane. The proof is here "Batman survived a unpulled punch from Superman" for anyone to believe that as they write it means that logic has definitely escaped them because that isn't consistent and they know that without a doubt. Batman is invincible to his fans no matter what because he's been given that in his pages. Pull batman into marvels pages and there are many he would be sure to avoid Spiderman being one of them. And Mercilous( hope I spelled it right) you seem like a lobo fan so you of all people should be aware of comic fights that are full of the purest sh*t after Wolverine beat the main man in a barroom brawl.
That type of logic is the same type that says humans at fractions above peak level can hang with Spider-man even if he's going for the kill.(and I'd love to see some pictures if there are any of Spidey going for the kill and his enemy surviving even though they are peak human.) When Spidey was hypnotized and told to kill DD he performed as someone who had been hypnotized meaning slowly and methodically with only as much zeal as he was commanded to show. Not talking for that time period is proof that his mind was not his own.

Relax...I didn't say Batman was invicible..but do you think some web swing kid could take down the dark knight....honestly? ugh

I don't think that Spidey could beat Bat-man at all if Batman can manipulate the confrontation because that is where Batman's most powerful strengths lie but Spider-man much more capable of being a killing machine than the predator and tougher as well. If batman is a threat then he will be setting off the spider-sense at all times= 1 The dark is no advantage 2.Surprises will be difficult to utilize
Also Batmans cape is not an advantage against Spidey as much as it is a disadvantage so he'd better hope he's got a quick release for it( and he probably does) but he's going to lose it one way or the other so any help it could have provided will be lost. The utility belt will be targeted and if Spidey can take Firelords staff then there are very very few that he can't disarm. Spider-man is just as mysterious as Batman because he holds back so often most of his regular enemies are shocked by his ability to survive a plan that they formulated based on what they thought his limits were. Finally I'll add that Spideys off the wall appearance as a skinny web swing kid is very very deceiving and causes many to underestimate him. Sh*t , that appearance even causes real people to underestimate him. I was bout 5 years old when I found out that Spidey had SUPER strength because they didn't depict that much at all in the cartoon(Spiderman and his amazing friends) and not at all in the lame tv show. First encounter, Batman vs Spiderman isn't a balanced fight especially if Spideys not HOLDING BACK. As hostile alien life forms Spidey would kill a slew of predators and Batman was lucky to survive 2 I think it was 2. I give batman his props but he can't hang with Spidey in a deathmatch like this one. He would fare far better with intel and prep time but even that can't hand him a victory on a silver platter

Also I've got to say something on the speed issue. a person can leg press more than they can bench press so if Carl Lewis can leg press 1000 pounds and Spidey (Who is the same physique maybe shorter or slimmer) can leg press 30,000 pounds at least, when spidey propels himself using that strength is that super speed? Anyone who doesn't know the answer to this question should get off the computer and carry their a**es back to grade school. And slap themselves. Hard. I mean that makes as much sense as saying woods tougher than steel and meaning it. And if you're offended then you're the one who put yourself in the "going back to school" category. Cause you don't know the answer. 😮‍💨

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that on soooo many occasions the hulk has been noted for moving ridculously fast for one that's so big

batman holds back all the time in relative terms...... he doesn't really go for the kill either.... you think that he couldn't handle spiderman when he goes toe to toe with the JLA, amazo, deathstroke, and wins?

i defer:
first batman unloads tear gas to blind spidey,,,then KO gas to make him woozy...then he lobbs some bat grenades....so long parker.......

.....then he runs him over with his car for good measure.

Yeah and Spidey's just gonna let him pull out all of these things and not avoid any of them. You're funny. 😆