Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Oh the fight where batman was not trying to take dearstroke in. The fight where batman was there to talk deathstroke into turning himself in. Because Nightwing told batman that deathstroke saved his life.That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious he said I would hate to go against the batman with out my enhancements.
That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious he was heading to a meat freezer, saw an old man being beaten by thugs. He took out his guns and blasted those people in the knee cap.
That same fight after it was over and deathstroke is victorious a man with a crow bar in a meat freezer beat deathstroke to death because of the beating he received from batman. A dude with no background in fighting what so ever beat deathstroke to a pulp. Is this the encounter you are referring to, because if it is I am with you.🙂
And this must mean that Batman could have defended himself but decided instead to get beat down cause he likes this guy, right? And since I'm not (admittedly) familiar with that character what exactly are the enhancements that he couldn't have beaten batman without?
Yes batman could have defended himself. (This is the way I see it.)
No more like batman thinking he could convince him to turn himself in. Which was a big mistake, because by the time he realized it, his ass was already on the floor.
Deathstroke is kind of like Captain America/black panther but only the serum that Deathstroke took is far stronger, simply put Deathstroke is immortal. He can never die.
Alright dog now I'm confused cause I thought you said that that deathtstroke got killed right after that. And that list I posted was a little confusing but I was trying to cover a lot of points at one time so I hope it wasn't a pain to comprehend. Like I said before I think batman is sweet but in order for him to win this fight he has to be given the benefit of the doubt in way too many instances. Sorta like sayin that Batman beats Superman 100% of the time because he knows his weakness and you can't take that knowledge from him cause that wouldn't be fair. Batman can't lose a fight if it's always assumed that from the beggining of the fight he already knows exactly how to end it and end it quickly.
That would only be OK if that pre-knowledge swung both ways but it doesn't. Batman is given access to more hard to get info than S.H.I.E.L.D
before almost every battle that he is supposed to win.( when he's fighting opponents far more powerful than him ) Everyone who fights him is expected to just charge in foolishly and fall prey to one of his pre-fashioned tricks. Batman would have a hard time fighting Daredevil because Daredevils radar gives him knowledge of what Batman has on him and also when he's going for what. Daredevil has admitted to not being on the same level as Spidey and that statement has been proven to be true. I relate with your determination to say that Batman would win
but without being given many assumed advantages he stands no chance.
"1.Not overestimating Spidey when you're human is underestimating and it is impossible to just guess what a superheroes powers are. Spidey can at least sense danger levels and where they are coming from."
So if you're not overestimating you're underestimating? okay that doesn't even make sense. Batman can figure spidey out in about 20 seconds. He does this kind of thing all the time.
"2.Almost all of Spider-mans enemies are totally unpredictable. Almost all of batmans are.( Excluding Joker)"
You said that if spidey knows what bats can do he'll never get a chance to use his eapons...that's like saying batman is predictible in his meathods...he's not....he's never been stopped from using his weapons when he chooses to....how sould fighting spidey be any different?
"3.I see another example using Superman who always loses against the superior strengh and speed of Batman "
it happpened bud.....don't like it...tough.
"4.Wasn't there a picture a few pages back of all Batmans senses failing except his pain receptors?5"
are you talking about the NON FIGHT example? pfffft every freaking
spiderman vs. thread has spidey fans producing examples of non-fights out the freakin ass.
"5.Any simple hold with Spider-mans strength will kill or cripple Batman before he can attempt a counter. eg Spidey bear hugs him and he pops like a champagne bottle immediatlely."
first he has to but batman in that uncomprimising of a position.....considering batmans a better fighter and grappler....that ain't happining......and THEN spiderman has to avoid all those gadgets....AND THEN spiderman has to do to bat's what never successfully been done and pop him like a champange bottle.....lol....okay.
"6.You say that Batman took out the Hulk with gas huh?
You just proved that you were right when you stated earlier that crossovers were irrelavent. And you know that gas doesn't work on the hulk that well. You shouldn't make it so obvious when you're grasping at straws "
first off.....when did I say crossovers were irellivant???.....please directly quote me on this one....i didn't say that did I? and uummmmm dude I guess your not aware hulks been taken down by gas multiple times in the past are you? (example; read hulk 8)
"7.last time I checked milk makes bones stronger, not martial arts training. His bones are not superstrong and Bane proved that.( I just have to add that Bane is way way way way weaker than Spidey )"
dude bane broke cartilidge seperated it...not bone....second....if you
don't know that martial arts training makes bones denser and stronger...you only prove that you know as much about fighting as you do about comics.
"8. When it's covered with web fluid it's going to backfire the guns and the bombs just destroy the car. Don't forget Spidey's aim is superhuman as well( It's in amazing fantasies #1)he obviously uses his peripheral when he's web-slinging and that's no small feat"
And spideys gonna be able to this while batmans beating the crap out of him? spidey would have to be giing some pretty undivided attention to do this.
"9.He won't overestimate because it's inconceivable that someone Spidey's size and appearance would challenge the guy who humbles superman(with kryptonite) But you are right cause I have only read almost all of his graphic novels but I won't pay for the comics."
as long as you can admit it I'll take it easy on ya....lol but seriously when you come from a universe where a guy 4 feet tall can send you over a skyscraper with un uppercut. you won't underestimating anybody based on size...besides that's not how batman works....
"And this must mean that Batman could have defended himself but decided instead to get beat down cause he likes this guy, right? And since I'm not (admittedly) familiar with that character what exactly are the enhancements that he couldn't have beaten batman without?"
ummm super strength...speed...and reflexis.....some esp...and batman holding back
Originally posted by Blade Cutter(Batman supporters) Why is it that Batman is able to hit enough times to hurt & beat him and Spider-man can't hit him just one time.Damn I thought Spider-man had the spider sense super speed and reflexes not Batman?Why Batman fast enough to hit Spider-man many times dodge Spider-man and SM can't hit him one time because that is all it will take.Same goes for web why can't SM hit him with that but Batman can't hit him with all his gadgets.
Spider-man can use the Batmobile to his advantage by picking it up and throwing it.If Bane can dint the sh!t out of it Spider-man can f()ck it up real bad.With no prep time what is Batman going to do.Do you really think that Batman is going dodge all of Spider-man attacks(with Batman's grater speed lol)and Spider-man will be the one getting hit(because Batman fist and bat rings are way faster then bullets).What does SM loose his spider sense and super speed & reflexes.Tell why Batman can dodge every attack and all the web from Spider-man and thank of a plan wile doing so.But yet SM spider sense and speed will not help him jump away from gas,dodge pressure point attacks,dodge bat rings nets and missiles.You are will not get one hit are any web on batman the hole time even tho he is faster,and Batman with no prep will hit Spider-man with every he has and work even tho Spider-man has spider sense that Batman does not know about.I mean if Batman new about his spider sense he would win 8/10 times and if he had prep time he would win 9/10.But in this fight he has a 1/10 chance.
Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Why is it that Batman is able to hit enough times to hurt & beat him and Spider-man can't hit him just one time.Damn I thought Spider-man had the spider sense super speed and reflexes not Batman?(Batman supporters) Why Batman fast enough to hit Spider-man many times dodge Spider-man and SM can't hit him one time because that is all it will take.Same goes for web why can't SM hit him with that but Batman can't hit him with all his gadgets.
Spider-Man is the fast one, not Batman.
Spider-Man is the tough one, not Batman.
Spider-Man is the strong one, not Batman.
Batman doesn't stand a chance. Maybe with (the overrated) preptime, but without... never.
Originally posted by Blade CutterBecause everytime Spidey throws a punch or webs, one of Batman's fanboys will jump in front to protect him 🙂
(Batman supporters) Why is it that Batman is able to hit enough times to hurt & beat him and Spider-man can't hit him just one time.Damn I thought Spider-man had the spider sense super speed and reflexes not Batman?Why Batman fast enough to hit Spider-man many times dodge Spider-man and SM can't hit him one time because that is all it will take.Same goes for web why can't SM hit him with that but Batman can't hit him with all his gadgets.
Originally posted by jinzinNo, Spidey's not faster than heat vison. Nor is Batman. If Bats, a human w/no early warning system can dodge it then why wouldn't Spider-Man? Spider-Man is faster than Batman. Batman can't take Amazo like that. That was pointless, dumb storytelling on the writer's part. And even then he had a teammate. You should start using the quote button.
"considering amazo's powers and the fact that bats and nightwing are regular guys I think it evens out.....spidey's not faster than heat vision....are you crazy?
Originally posted by jinzin
"1.Not overestimating Spidey when you're human is underestimating and it is impossible to just guess what a superheroes powers are. Spidey can at least sense danger levels and where they are coming from."So if you're not overestimating you're underestimating? okay that doesn't even make sense. Batman can figure spidey out in about 20 seconds. He does this kind of thing all the time.
"2.Almost all of Spider-mans enemies are totally unpredictable. Almost all of batmans are.( Excluding Joker)"
You said that if spidey knows what bats can do he'll never get a chance to use his eapons...that's like saying batman is predictible in his meathods...he's not....he's never been stopped from using his weapons when he chooses to....how sould fighting spidey be any different?
"3.I see another example using Superman who always loses against the superior strengh and speed of Batman "
it happpened bud.....don't like it...tough.
"4.Wasn't there a picture a few pages back of all Batmans senses failing except his pain receptors?5"
are you talking about the NON FIGHT example? pfffft every freaking
spiderman vs. thread has spidey fans producing examples of non-fights out the freakin ass."5.Any simple hold with Spider-mans strength will kill or cripple Batman before he can attempt a counter. eg Spidey bear hugs him and he pops like a champagne bottle immediatlely."
first he has to but batman in that uncomprimising of a position.....considering batmans a better fighter and grappler....that ain't happining......and THEN spiderman has to avoid all those gadgets....AND THEN spiderman has to do to bat's what never successfully been done and pop him like a champange bottle.....lol....okay.
"6.You say that Batman took out the Hulk with gas huh?
You just proved that you were right when you stated earlier that crossovers were irrelavent. And you know that gas doesn't work on the hulk that well. You shouldn't make it so obvious when you're grasping at straws "first off.....when did I say crossovers were irellivant???.....please directly quote me on this one....i didn't say that did I? and uummmmm dude I guess your not aware hulks been taken down by gas multiple times in the past are you? (example; read hulk 8)
"7.last time I checked milk makes bones stronger, not martial arts training. His bones are not superstrong and Bane proved that.( I just have to add that Bane is way way way way weaker than Spidey )"
dude bane broke cartilidge seperated it...not bone....second....if you
don't know that martial arts training makes bones denser and stronger...you only prove that you know as much about fighting as you do about comics."8. When it's covered with web fluid it's going to backfire the guns and the bombs just destroy the car. Don't forget Spidey's aim is superhuman as well( It's in amazing fantasies #1)he obviously uses his peripheral when he's web-slinging and that's no small feat"
And spideys gonna be able to this while batmans beating the crap out of him? spidey would have to be giing some pretty undivided attention to do this.
"9.He won't overestimate because it's inconceivable that someone Spidey's size and appearance would challenge the guy who humbles superman(with kryptonite) But you are right cause I have only read almost all of his graphic novels but I won't pay for the comics."
as long as you can admit it I'll take it easy on ya....lol but seriously when you come from a universe where a guy 4 feet tall can send you over a skyscraper with un uppercut. you won't underestimating anybody based on size...besides that's not how batman works....
You make a very good argument but you left out how batman can stop Spidey from putting him in an uncompromising position. Spidey has put a
leg lock on the goblins neck that the Goblin first begged him to loosen then when Spidey did(thinking that the goblin would be rational) the goblin knocked him off and stated that the hold "almost finished him" The
goblin posseses sthrengh that is the equivalent to Spideys but the next time that same hold was applied the goblin did what spidey commanded him to do and Spidey stated "you'll never break my hold" and he didn't.
Regardless to how much time batman has trained his bones are just that,bones, and they will never be as durable as steel and Spidey has pinched off a gun barrel with his fingers. I can't believe that you're upset about me using a non-fight as an example cause that's exactly what that batman/hulk fight was. The only difference was I only have that picture to go on and both of us have read that bull where Batman bested the hulk after surviving a squeeze from the angry hulk. Saying that batmans a better fighter and grappler than someone who has taken out Doc Ock, Kingpin, Carnage, Kraven, Silver Sable, Lizard, Rhino, Vulture, Green Goblins, Hobgoblins, Mysterio, Spider Slayers, Doombots,
expert ninjas, Firelord, Quicksilver, Sentinels, X-men, Man-Beast, etc... with his bare hands proves that you just won't admit the fact that Batmans outmatched here. Why do you keep implying that I don't know my comics. Is it because I don't have access to a 50 year old hulk comic where he was still speaking with intelligence and falls to gas attacks? I think it's only because I'm disagreeing with you. Sorry about the misquote, my bad but someone wrote it and it is true. agreed? Using Batmans(kryptroniteless) victories over Superman as examples can not strengthen your argument because that isn't crap writing. It's obviously I hate superman or I love Batman writing. I wouldn't like it if Spider-man
got shot 10 times and kept fighting like nothing happened cause he shouldn't be able to do that. How can you say that you believe that Batman can match Superman in any way without kryptonite just cause he's been shown doing it even though he's POWERLESS. It's one thing for comics to be incosistent cause consistency is boring. They shouldn't be downright contradictory with no explanation. 😮💨
About spiderman applying the leg hold on batman. You see if spiderman ever do something as stupid as this is going to be over. Because the last I checked batman has fail save devices on his suit capable of knocking out the likes of Gorilla Grudd and even Solomon n Grundy.
And pressure points are going to work to as well.
If Green Goblin is as smart as you guys claim him to be then he should have known to put fail save devices on his suit. Right?
Never-mind isn't spiderman stronger than solomon n Grundy and Gorilla Grudd? 🙂
Yes those people that spiderman has taken down with his bare hands is quite impressive. But batman does not work by his bare hands alone he works with his brain. And beat people like the once you mention.
Don't like it sorry but I am lying?
P.s. you should not smoke so much it is bad for your health. WELL THE MORE YOU KNOW......
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
About spiderman applying the leg hold on batman. You see if spiderman ever do something as stupid as this is going to be over. Because the last I checked batman has fail save devices on his suit capable of knocking out the likes of Gorilla Grudd and even Solomon n Grundy.And pressure points are going to work to as well.
If Green Goblin is as smart as you guys claim him to be then he should have known to put fail save devices on his suit. Right?
Never-mind isn't spiderman stronger than solomon n Grundy and Gorilla Grudd? 🙂
Yes those people that spiderman has taken down with his bare hands is quite impressive. But batman does not work by his bare hands alone he works with his brain. And beat people like the once you mention.
Don't like it sorry but I am lying?
Batman can't win just because he's hardly ever lost and Spiderman is not a drooling idiot. His spider sense will warn him and his reflexes and speed more than outmatch any humans'. Spider-man has evaded more gas attacks than fallen for them the odds are in his favor. The only thing you're doing now is making yourself look mule headed.P.s. you should not smoke so much it is bad for your health. WELL THE MORE YOU KNOW......
Spider-man is not some drooling idiot. His spider-sense warns him and his speed and reflexes dwarf batmans. He has evade more gas attacks than he has fallen for the odds are stacked against Batman. All youre doing now is making yourself look dense. 😮💨 Still smokin