Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Correction the batmyth is the conclusion you came to as to try to show how absurd the stuff batman is doing can not really be done. So you take what people said batman did and then exaggerate it 10 times fold You take something like batman survived a rapid animal to...batman survive a bite from a rabid animal without getting medication (Notice the exerggeration)...hence batmyth created by you

Thus Batmyth is born. (10x exaggeration? Maybe... according to you.)

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I am guessing you missed wolvigod..if you did go...read pages 248-249 and then tell me if anyone agrees with your 50ft jumping wolverine...even though it could be possible....he could jump off a 50ft building.
Common sense also says that batman should lose every battle he has ever been in...but the thing is common sense do not agree with comic sense. In fact common sense and comic sense are complete opposite.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
What is the difference between combat and martial arts...isn't combat a more generalize form to say fight. And if you go back and check I did say martial arts or combat...where you got you had to say combat is beyond me. You said batman is fully trained in every form of fighting and I said batman has Mastered every form of fighting..or combat
followed by do you want prove...again [B]I ask you do you want prove. or is it just another batmyth.🙂[/B]

Mr T pities you. 😛

Try harder. 😄

although bats may not have PIS super-durability like getting pummeled by darkseid and such, he takes on solomon grundy all the time and grundy is superstrong and can shrug off blows from superman.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Crap) Arguments received from the Batfan side.
1. Batman is pummeled into the ground by Darkseid, and Batman is beaten up by an enraged Superman. He sustains minimal injury. Implication Batman has superhuman durability to sustain class 100 hits.

So you did not hear or read anything about batman having Mother box to protect him from darksied and darksied would have killed batman if he had continued but he stop....and you have never heard about batman's spectre suit (jinzin kept mensioning it over and over and over so it must be true)....so you decided to neglect the explanation given because you do not approve and thus made up your own.

2. Batman always carries around boom tubes and mother boxes. Batman never runs out of gadgets. Implication is his belt is essentially bottomless. Further implication is that Batman always has all the (plot device) tools he's ever used before in his belt for this fight. Variants of "He's Batman, he'll find a way." arguments.

boom tube is prep and no one ever used a boom tube against spiderman in this thread...Now ask for the mother box you can not dispute the fact that he is currently carrying the thing with him...Any tools that batman packed for the night is going to be the right one for the immediate job...

3. Batman punches with the force of a car wreck behind each punch. I said locomotive because it's an underused word. Regardless the implication is that Batman has one hit KO punches.

In the real world no one can possible do such a thing but in comics everything is possible or are you going to tell me that shang chi can't do as much damage as a car or batman did not decimate a 3ft tree..

4. I recall you yourself trying to imply that Batman is equivalent or better than Reed Richards in terms of scientific knowledge. Most Batfans will state in a non prep thread "Give Batman a day...". Again a variant of "He's Batman, he'll find a way."

Yes I am the one but I said that batman is either equal to Mr. Reed or less than but not by a long margin. Reed Richards is all about the brain while batman is not (batman is a well rounded person..) I read this quote some where....it said the reason why batman is great is not because he is the best at everything it is because he is the second best at everything else.)

5. Batman is fast enough to dodge bullets from close range according to some. Implication Batman has superhuman speed.

So according to you batman is not able to dodge bullets at close range..and yet he has made a career out of doing such feats..Thus his speed has nothing to do with the training he has recieved....Thus in your book he has superhuman speed??

Thus Batmyth is born. (10x exaggeration? Maybe... according to you.)

Correction 10x exaggeration according to me to describe how you take something as a person surviving a rabid bite and say that said person survived without haveing their shots..

What does Wolverine have to do with anything. I was using him with Storm as examples of single illogical incidents/PIS/CIS/conjecture.
So we should disregard all common sense and simply rely on the comics. Then what's the point of the vs forums. Spiderman beats Firelord because he's done it before right.?

Again I repeat...go read 248-249 and then come and tell me if anyone actually takes the wolverine jumping 50ft seriously but he could jump off a 50ft building...Comic sense and Common sense move in different circles. Ask for why we have vs. forums....go to the being of this thread and see how this thread got started...and you will see one of the reasons why vs. forums begin

Reread. The fact that Batman has mastered every form of combat or martial arts or whatever you want to call it is stated as part of Batman. Why would I want proof of something I'm aware of?

So why didn't you just come out and say it in the first place ...hmmm this would have saved me allot of typing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
5. Batman is fast enough to dodge bullets from close range according to some. Implication Batman has superhuman speed.

This just requires an accuracy with angles, and a knowledge of time in between shots, to be out of the way in time.

There is no way that a person can dodge the bullet once it's fired.

Of course with spiderman his sense warns him of when he is in the line of a bullet and when he is not.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
So you did not hear or read anything about batman having Mother box to protect him from darksied and darksied would have killed batman if he had continued but he stop....and you have never heard about batman's spectre suit (jinzin kept mensioning it over and over and over so it must be true)....so you decided to neglect the explanation given because you do not approve and thus made up your own.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
boom tube is prep and no one ever used a boom tube against spiderman in this thread...Now ask for the mother box you can not dispute the fact that he is currently carrying the thing with him...Any tools that batman packed for the night is going to be the right one for the immediate job...

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
In the real world no one can possible do such a thing but in comics everything is possible or are you going to tell me that shang chi can't do as much damage as a car or batman did not decimate a 3ft tree..

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Yes I am the one but I said that batman is either equal to Mr. Reed or less than but not by a long margin. Reed Richards is all about the brain while batman is not (batman is a well rounded person..) I read this quote some where....it said the reason why batman is great is not because he is the best at everything it is because he is the second best at everything else.)

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
So according to you batman is not able to dodge bullets at close range..and yet he has made a career out of doing such feats..Thus his speed has nothing to do with the training he has recieved....Thus in your book he has superhuman speed??

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Correction 10x exaggeration according to me to describe how you take something as a person surviving a rabid bite and say that said person survived without haveing their shots..

You use an example you made up and say it's a 10x exaggeration. So? Are you or are you not saying I'm exaggerating the Batfan arguments 10x? What's the SI unit for exaggeration.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Again I repeat...go read 248-249 and then come and tell me if anyone actually takes the wolverine jumping 50ft seriously but he could jump off a 50ft building...Comic sense and Common sense move in different circles. Ask for why we have vs. forums....go to the being of this thread and see how this thread got started...and you will see one of the reasons why vs. forums begin

Anyone looking at the fight completely objectively sees that Spiderman would win.

Again I find I'm bored of this thread. So I again I take leave of it... for now 😖hifty:

The dodging bullets is illrealevent. As there are no bullets in this fight.

Batman hates guns. . .except pre-crisis batman this one time in an astounding bit of PIS/CIS that gives a more comedic appearence than anything.

Spiderman doesn't use guns either.

Spiderman's punches aren't comparable to bullets, or even martial art's. . . he nails another noted martial artist that is brought up alot . . . Wolverine. . . and batman neither has adamantium bones, nor the healing factor to save his butt.

Spidey can probably punch through kevlar like tissue paper. . .

Bat man doesn't stand a chance in h2h, Spiderman may not be a martial artist, but his speed puts him up above martial artist speeds.

And the webbing isn't bullets either. . . they tend to leave behind spots where you can't step back into anyway.

Batman still has a random luck chance giving him a very low percent chance to win using the gas or explosives. . . about 15% . . .Which isn't very high at all.

Spiderman wins, by a landslide, why don't you put him against Batgirl that would almost beat him.

You know Creshok, you put me in a good mood, you're simply amazing. You constantly point out how horrible pro-spidey arguements are, but are pro-spidey yourself. I wish others had your insight because there's some horrible arguements currently going on in Spidey's favor.

Could one of you who supports Batman please explain to me what advantage Batman has over Spider-man?

This is not an insult. I believe Spider-man wins. You believe Batman wins. Please explain to me your reasoning behind this?

It's pointless to...every time anyone tries, a Spiderman fanboy says "But Batman can't do that", when it's clear and obvious that he can and has done before on many occasions and that's why it's being brought up. They try to remove his capabilities by saying "He's only peak human." Even though the comics define him as being able to do these feats, and the comics are the median used to build and support the character just as this arguement, and is completely relevent in my opinion.

But for the sake of it, I'll try this one more time;
Faster and stronger has never really been a downfall for Batman, and while not as openly powerful [lifting cars etc.] as Spidey, his blows are no less equal in power. For example in Bruce Wayne Murder, Batman when fighting Nightwing [who couldnt even land a blow on Batman I might add] Batman kicked at Nightwing and instead hit one of the tempered steel beams in the bat-cave and indented it. And that's in his own title as compared to "Batmyth" [Which is still a completely viable piece of what The Batman character is in my opinion.] If we use that Batman its all over for Spidey. Also, he knows death moves from nearly any angle. In one comic Batman dropped into a place and a guy held a gun to the BACK of his head while he was on the ground kneeling and he had a thought bubble pop up "I know {Blah} different moves from this angle, {Blah} killing strokes, {Blah} throws with minimal contact, etc" In the end, I say The Batman's intelligence and counter-measures coupled with his ability to rapidly decipher any enemies strengths and weaknesses instantaniously [greatest detective] will do Spidey in, as I believe his combat prowess knowledge, martial arts and awareness put him at least on Spidey's level in a front-on battle.

Oh dear. I do hope you aren't accusing me of being a Spiderman fanboy.
I've argued against Spidey in threads that I objectively think he loses. I argue for Spidey in threads where I objectively think he wins.

I spent a while rebuffing Storm myth's in FF vs 3 X-Men+Spiderman, and in that fight I considered Spiderman as obsolete as Wolverine. I like the X-Spiderman team more, but I thought they'd lose, I argued for the FF.

How about I don't make any statements this time and ask you a series of questions instead.
Survey
1. Is Batman peak human in strength?
2. Is Batman peak human in speed?
3. Is Spiderman superhuman in strength?
4. Is Spiderman superhuman in speed?
5. Are peak human strength and speed below all levels of superhuman strength and speed, respectively?
6. Ergo is Batman equal in strength to Spiderman?
7. Ergo is Batman equal in speed to Spiderman?
8. Is the power of a punch proportional to the speed and strength behind it?
9. Ergo are Batman's punches equal in power to Spiderman's?
10. Do you like my use of the word ergo?

Could Kareem Abdul Jabbar beat Bruce Lee, even though he was bigger stronger and probably faster?
What's your point?
I said my take.

Originally posted by Juntai
Could Kareem Abdul Jabbar beat Bruce Lee, even though he was bigger stronger and probably faster?
What's your point?
I said my take.

In answer to your question.
Bigger. My questions had nothing to do with size.
Stronger. Your analogy is flawed as you don't take into account relativity of strength. Ratiometrically KAJ:Bruce Lee does not equal Spiderman:Batman.
(Probably) Faster. Refer to stronger.
Irrelevant analogy... so what's your point?

My point is, that if Batman can handle Supes, the God of Time Metron, Carnage, Hulk and Spawn, Spidey is nothing.

Faster and stronger has never really been a downfall for Batman, and while not as openly powerful [lifting cars etc.] as Spidey, his blows are no less equal in power. For example in Bruce Wayne Murder, Batman when fighting Nightwing [who couldnt even land a blow on Batman I might add] Batman kicked at Nightwing and instead hit one of the tempered steel beams in the bat-cave and indented it. And that's in his own title as compared to "Batmyth" [Which is still a completely viable piece of what The Batman character is in my opinion.] If we use that Batman its all over for Spidey. Also, he knows death moves from nearly any angle. In one comic Batman dropped into a place and a guy held a gun to the BACK of his head while he was on the ground kneeling and he had a thought bubble pop up "I know {Blah} different moves from this angle, {Blah} killing strokes, {Blah} throws with minimal contact, etc" In the end, I say The Batman's intelligence and counter-measures coupled with his ability to rapidly decipher any enemies strengths and weaknesses instantaniously [greatest detective] will do Spidey in, as I believe his combat prowess knowledge, martial arts and awareness put him at least on Spidey's level in a front-on battle.

Batman without kryptonite cant handle Supes. Give Spiderman the same thing and since his stats are way higher than Batman he will do better.

The god of time. Metron? Thats actually his title? What power and pshysical stats has he showed.

Spawn the same. He didnt used powers against Batman, just brawl.

About Spiderman and Hulk...eh ill trow just this one :

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=020614110643&

Note that Spiderman acomplishes this without any plot devices 😛

Classify peak human to me?

There's people who shake houses to rubble
crack several feet of concrete with hands or feet
lift and carry cars
Drag chains of trains
Drag 747 airplanes.
I seen a guy with an airplane attached to wires attached to each of his hands and let them take off, them pulled his arms together and crossed them
I seen a guy catch bullets with his bare hands
I seen a guy get stabbed in the stomach with a sword and it bent hitting his stomach

and NONE of these guys are Peak Human Potential.

Fact is, in our world there still IS NO PEAK HUMAN
And you don't know what it is like as a result.

And Batman is the evolution of that potential.

And he's many times the tactician that Spiderman will ever be.

Originally posted by Juntai
Could Kareem Abdul Jabbar beat Bruce Lee, even though he was bigger stronger and probably faster?
What's your point?
I said my take.

Stronger? Yes.

Proportionally? Probably not. For his size, Bruce Lee was very very strong. The guy was like 99% muscle. Seriously. With his speed and power, his hits were mostly much more powerful compared to KAJ's.

Faster? No way in hell. KAJ was fast, definitely. But Bruce put him to shame. You do that they had to have Bruce slow down to about half his speed in order to even catch his movements on camera, don't you? And even then, he moves incredibly fast.

I know this was off-topic, but I just wanted to answer this.

Originally posted by olympian
Batman without kryptonite cant handle Supes. Give Spiderman the same thing and since his stats are way higher than Batman he will do better.

The god of time. Metron? Thats actually his title? What power and pshysical stats has he showed.

Spawn the same. He didnt used powers against Batman, just brawl.

About Spiderman and Hulk...eh ill trow just this one :

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?rpl=020614110643&

Note that Spiderman acomplishes this without any plot devices 😛

How does potentially being able to bodyslam the hulk compare to actually kicking him and knocking the wind out of him?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Stronger? Yes.

Proportionally? Probably not. For his size, Bruce Lee was very very strong. The guy was like 99% muscle. Seriously. With his speed and power, his hits were mostly much more powerful compared to KAJ's.

Faster? No way in hell. KAJ was fast, definitely. But Bruce put him to shame. You do that they had to have Bruce slow down to about half his speed in order to even catch his movements on camera, don't you? And even then, he moves incredibly fast.

I know this was off-topic, but I just wanted to answer this.

Also thats my point
SPIDEY IS STRONGER THAN BATMAN
BUT BATMAN CAN HIT JUST AS HARD