Batman vs Spiderman

"How does potentially being able to bodyslam the hulk compare to actually kicking him and knocking the wind out of him?"

Let me put this way. Batman cant bodyslam the Hulk. Therefore hes weaker than someone who can.

Like Spiderman.

And Batman managed to do that to the Hulk - after - using plot devices that in that particular story worked on the opponent.

Hes physically way behind in this match.

Originally posted by Juntai
But for the sake of it, I'll try this one more time;
Faster and stronger has never really been a downfall for Batman, and while not as openly powerful [lifting cars etc.] as Spidey, his blows are no less equal in power. For example in Bruce Wayne Murder, Batman when fighting Nightwing [who couldnt even land a blow on Batman I might add] Batman kicked at Nightwing and instead hit one of the tempered steel beams in the bat-cave and indented it. And that's in his own title as compared to "Batmyth" [Which is still a completely viable piece of what The Batman character is in my opinion.] If we use that Batman its all over for Spidey. Also, he knows death moves from nearly any angle. In one comic Batman dropped into a place and a guy held a gun to the BACK of his head while he was on the ground kneeling and he had a thought bubble pop up "I know {Blah} different moves from this angle, {Blah} killing strokes, {Blah} throws with minimal contact, etc" In the end, I say The Batman's intelligence and counter-measures coupled with his ability to rapidly decipher any enemies strengths and weaknesses instantaniously [greatest detective] will do Spidey in, as I believe his combat prowess knowledge, martial arts and awareness put him at least on Spidey's level in a front-on battle.

Thank you for telling me why you think Bats would win.Personally I feel that Spider-man would win. You mentioned about Bats not having problems with more powerful opponents. However during these instances Batman had prep time. There are also many inconsistencies with this. Bats has beaten strong opponents eg. Superman but has lost to a small group of Ninjas.Lastly you mentioned his pressure point techniques and referred to his fighting skills. I believe Spider-man can dodge all this due to superhuman abilities and his spider-sense. True spider-man has been hit by slower things before but that is to keep a story entertaining. I have a Batman issue where Bats gets shot twice once in the leg then in the arm. All characters suffer from inconsistencies therefore a more accurate way of comparing characters is through statistics. Through their respective statistics i can conclude that Spider-man is most likely to win.

Originally posted by Juntai
Classify peak human to me?

There's people who shake houses to rubble
crack several feet of concrete with hands or feet
lift and carry cars
Drag chains of trains
Drag 747 airplanes.
I seen a guy with an airplane attached to wires attached to each of his hands and let them take off, them pulled his arms together and crossed them
I seen a guy catch bullets with his bare hands
I seen a guy get stabbed in the stomach with a sword and it bent hitting his stomach

and NONE of these guys are Peak Human Potential.

Fact is, in our world there still IS NO PEAK HUMAN
And you don't know what it is like as a result.

And Batman is the evolution of that potential.

And he's many times the tactician that Spiderman will ever be.

Are you freakin serious? Where have you seen this events take place? In your dreams? Seriously though.

You've seen people actually LIFT a car? With their own two hands? Let alone carry it? Lies.

You've seen a guy catch bullets with his bare hands? What are you smoking, my friend? Lies.

And the sword one. Wow. I thought you had me with the catching bullets one, but this one really takes the cake.

Oh, and about pulling large, heavy objects on wheels. Once they get even the slightest bit of momentum in their favor, it's SO MUCH more easier to continue pulling. Any strongman can do it.

And breaking through SEVERAL feet of concrete? How much is several to you? To me, several feet is 5 or more. And I can already tell you that five feet of solid concrete has not been achieved. Maybe three feet of blocks of concrete at the most has been done. And the concrete is always in thinner slabs. And that just takes training in certain types of martial arts. Especially more Kung-Fu related ones, such as Tai Chi Quan. Several feet is clearly pushing it, however.

Now, if you can prove any of that to me, I'd gladly surrender to you and say that Batman wins.

Until then, however...Spidey still stomps Bats.

Originally posted by Juntai
Thats hand-eye movement not speed.
Kareem could probably run a mile faster than Bruce
Bench tripple his weight

Also thats my point
SPIDEY IS STRONGER THAN BATMAN
BUT BATMAN CAN HIT JUST AS HARD

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When you said "speed", did you mean running speed? Cuz I think we're talking about two different things here.

And in no way did that prove your point at all. In fact, if anything, it helped my point out even more.

Batman is bigger than Spiderman. And visually, he is stronger than him (Bats is bigger and has bigger muscles and such. If it weren't for Spiderman's strength, Bats would be stronger). But in this situation, Spiderman is Bruce Lee.

Only give Bruce superhuman strength now.

Not only would Spiderman be able to hit Bats so many times before Batman could react, but he'd be hitting him with super strength punches.

I know Batman has taken out super strong people before, and super fast people before, and people with gadgets before, and I'm sure people who could stick to walls.

But.

Bats hasn't ever gone against anyone who has ALL of those in one package. See, that's where his downfall is. He can't handle all of that in one person. It's too much for him.

So, ergo (that's for you, Xmarks), Batman hits nowhere near the vicinity of strength that Spiderman does.

Ergo.

"You've seen a guy catch bullets with his bare hands? What are you smoking, my friend? Lies."

He was actually serious when he mentioned this? Thats good for laughts right there.

- in the comics - even Batman can pull that off it wouldnt still make him above Spiderman. Who has actually lifted cars and dodges at superhuman speeds, not just " peak human ".

Try to remember where the comic world stops and reality starts.

"SPIDEY IS STRONGER THAN BATMAN
BUT BATMAN CAN HIT JUST AS HARD "

If Spiderman is stronger than Batman (wich he is) then Batman who is weaker (by alot) cant hit as hard as Spiderman can.

Strikes me as funny how you say one thing and then another that defies your first statement.

Survey
1. Is Batman peak human in strength?
2. Is Batman peak human in speed?
3. Is Spiderman superhuman in strength?
4. Is Spiderman superhuman in speed?
5. Is peak human strength by its definition below all levels of superhuman strength?
6. Is peak human speed by its definition below all levels of superhuman speed?
7. Are is Batman equal in strength to Spiderman?
8. Are is Batman equal in speed to Spiderman?
9. Is the power of a punch proportional to the speed and strength behind it?
10. Are Batman's punches equal in power to Spiderman's?

BTW saying Batman can instantaneously deduce any unique and inherent weaknesses Spiderman has and use them against him to win the fight, is a major exaggeration. The fight is random no prep. 1. So for the purposes of the fight they've never encountered each other. Batman would have to observe Spiderman for a while to discern said weaknesses. 2. You assume Spiderman has obviously exploitable unique and inherent weaknesses, and that Batman would be capable of exploiting them. I don't think Mary Jane's standing at the sidelines.

That survey will leave some pll that think Batman can take this, really dissapointed.

Originally posted by Juntai
Thats hand-eye movement not speed.

Originally posted by Juntai
Kareem could probably run a mile faster than Bruce
Bench tripple his weight

Also thats my point
SPIDEY IS STRONGER THAN BATMAN
BUT BATMAN CAN HIT JUST AS HARD

batman can, has, and will take on anyone at spideys level or above.

batman can, has, and will take on anyone at Deathstroke's, Shiva's level or above too. Deathstroke still kicks his @$$ more often than not. Batman's bravery is not to be doubted. Being brave isn't enough to secure victory.

what does deathstroke have to do with this? batman has defeated deathstroke before in h2h. this is only a point to make against spidey, that superhuman strength and speed dont concern batman

Batman and Slade are 1 and 1.
Batman got him in the rematch.

Is that the one where he snuck him?

How about this guy lifting one with his head?
http://www.guzer.com/videos/car_on_head.php

http://www.prowriststraps.com/car_truck_squat_brad_cardoza
Or this guy squating one?

Or this guy deadlifting a truck?
http://www.prowriststraps.com/car_truck_deadlift_strongman

looking for more
but its a sample of stuff a PEAK human would do with ease.
Since no one knows the potential limit of man.

Pretty much open your Guiness book of world records, and realise that PEAK HUMAN, a human who has reached maximum human potential, would be able to do that.

David Huxley

Ever tried pushing your car after you run out of petrol? Imagine pushing a truck, or a bus... now be amazed by the guy who pulls 747s!
Strongman David Huxley pulled off his most spectacular stunt yet when he dragged a 187-tonne Boeing 747-400 a whopping 91 m (298.5 ft) in 1 minute 27.7 seconds. He hauled the plane into the record books on October 15, 1997, in Sydney, Australia.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=61590
Man throws 347 Martial Arts punches in less than a minute.
And with Batman, each of those -could- be deathblows.

Originally posted by Juntai
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=61590
Man throws 347 Martial Arts punches in less than a minute.
And with Batman, each of those -could- be deathblows.

That's the thing. I don't think he is.
I think Batman has this hands down.

Or at least that he could survive long enough for his ULTIMATE intelligence, cunning and combat prowess to win him over in the fight.