Originally posted by Logan 87
You know, he trying to make fun of me, so stop trying so hard to defend him.Oh praise the Duke nukem God, everyone don't take Cordera seriously.
Oh look he wants to be Duke Nukem now 😆
See what I mean ?
I wouldn't care, not at all, Duke is badass.
You are looking for some fight or something, I'm not defending anyone.
you think I stay on here this long because of jests? If someone said something insulting that would be different, that wasn't.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I wouldn't care, not at all, Duke is badass.You are looking for some fight or something, I'm not defending anyone.
you think I stay on here this long because of jests? If someone said something insulting that would be different, that wasn't.
Ok we will see how much you like it.
Whats you're favorite character by the way.
Originally posted by Logan 87\
Ok we will see how much you like it.Whats you're favorite character by the way.
Shit too many, ninja turtles, ryu, duke nukem, inuyasha, I could go on for days
kyo, akuma, flash, Ironman, spiderman, venom, carnage, cyclops, supergir, namor, superman, juggernaut, colossus, on and on and on and on and on, kitaro, naru, fanta, ryang...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Funny, I don't recall anyone mentioning the mother box protecting him. How convenient that he just happened to have it on him. Context seems to often be neglected on the Batfan side such as when he "beat" Carnage (refer to brainchild). Jinzin seemed to simply imply Batman "rolled with the punches". Just like he "rolls with the punches" with an angry Superman.
Riddle me this: When does Batman wear the spectra suit and when does he wear the kevlar? Let me guess it's spectra whenever it needs to be.
Oh and btw is this magic comic spectra or actual spectra?
Funny how YOU missed the details of how it was being explained that batman indeed deed use a Mother box...I wonder how you would miss such a point...I will tell you because....you were hoping we wouldn't have a rational explanation...but sorry we did...and it was convenient that he had it on him...😆...to bad for you that he wasn't just going with only his kelvar...🙂....Again Jinzin said batman rolled with the punches of Class 10 punches (10 ton) (you see what I mean about the exaggeration, now batman rolls with the punches from a ticked off superman...you are making me 😆..and for your information batman was thrown clear across the bat cave...😆)...why do you insist in getting such detailed informations wrong...I understand the about the angry superman you could never have known since as it took place is a superman comic....do you want me to give you an issue number...🙂
And to answer your riddle....your answer is as good as mine..
Really now. You have the insider info on what Batman packs every night, enlighten me. How does one know whether he's carrying a concealed object? Has Batman used the mother box when he hasn't been gallivanting around with Supes? When does he carry the mother box... when it's convenient.
I recall the boom tube coming up, but perhaps that was another thread.
Funny how the Batman being used keeps changing as the thread goes on while the Spiderman being used remains the same. Should we add metamorph to the list of Batman's abilities.
You see one of the thing about batman is you never know when he is at his weakest because his equipment are ever so changing...I my friend I don't know what kind of power he packs in that belt of his but what I do know is that each time he digs his hand into that belt of his, the object removed is always the right object for the job at hand..
Batman knocks down a tree once. Does he run down the street knocking down trees, he should have just been able to swat away Bane with his amazing martial arts derived strength which he is always possessed of all the time without any time to focus beforehand, no matter how tired he was. Batman has peak human strength.
It has been explained countless times that the defeat batman suffered at banes hands. Was due to batman working over time, catching all the inmates in Arkham, on top of that he was very tired, and he was ambushed in the most unlikely of places his own home...and a matter of fact batman did not put up much of fight....against bane who is quite an exceptional fighter and has brain to match...(in order words he ain't dumb) I am you would have like it so that batman should beaten up bane in such a poor condition....to bad it did not happened
Reed Richards' scientific and innovative intelligence is to Batman's as Steven Hawking's intelligence is to Forrest Gump's.
Batman is the (DC) world's greatest detective
Again I repeat this marvelous quote.....it said the reason why batman is great is not because he is the best at everything it is because he is the second best at everything else.🙂 this include science and innovative intelligence....(whispering)...just thought to let you know..🙂
You use an example you made up and say it's a 10x exaggeration. So? Are you or are you not saying I'm exaggerating the Batfan arguments 10x? What's the SI unit for exaggeration.
In short you are exaggerating 10x....in order words its too much....like your batman now roll with punches from superman and darkseid 😆
You'd be surprised as to whether people will take Wolverine jumping 50ft vertically seriously.
As for the beginning of the thread... do you honestly think that the thread starter meant a Batman carrying a mother box, and "rolling with punches" from Superman? Or do you think they just meant Batman.Anyone looking at the fight completely objectively sees that Spiderman would win.
My intension's where for you to go through pages 248-249 and then come and tell me if anyone here is taking the wolverine jumping 50ft seriously...(until you do this will always be my reply)....then I added wolverine could jump off a 50ft building...
yes I agree with the last statement...but this does not hold true when it comes to batman now is it....order wise the thread starter's pitch for selling these two would not have been (these two always win their matches so who wins ) now would it...
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Funny how YOU missed the details of how it was being explained that batman indeed deed use a Mother box...I wonder how you would miss such a point...I will tell you because....you were hoping we wouldn't have a rational explanation...but sorry we did...and it was convenient that he had it on him...😆...to bad for you that he wasn't just going with only his kelvar...🙂....Again Jinzin said batman rolled with the punches of Class 10 punches (10 ton) (you see what I mean about the exaggeration, now batman rolls with the punches from a ticked off superman...you are making me 😆..and for your information batman was thrown clear across the bat cave...😆)...why do you insist in getting such detailed informations wrong...I understand the about the angry superman you could never have known since as it took place is a superman comic....do you want me to give you an issue number...🙂
And to answer your riddle....your answer is as good as mine..
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
You see one of the thing about batman is you never know when he is at his weakest because his equipment are ever so changing...I my friend I don't know what kind of power he packs in that belt of his but what I do know is that each time he digs his hand into that belt of his, the object removed is always the right object for the job at hand..
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
It has been explained countless times that the defeat batman suffered at banes hands. Was due to batman working over time, catching all the inmates in Arkham, on top of that he was very tired, and he was ambushed in the most unlikely of places his own home...and a matter of fact batman did not put up much of fight....against bane who is quite an exceptional fighter and has brain to match...(in order words he ain't dumb) I am you would have like it so that batman should beaten up bane in such a poor condition....to bad it did not happened
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Again I repeat this marvelous quote.....it said the reason why batman is great is not because he is the best at everything it is because he is the second best at everything else.🙂 this include science and innovative intelligence....(whispering)...just thought to let you know..🙂
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
In short you are exaggerating 10x....in order words its too much....like your batman now roll with punches from superman and darkseid 😆
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
My intension's where for you to go through pages 248-249 and then come and tell me if anyone here is taking the wolverine jumping 50ft seriously...(until you do this will always be my reply)....then I added wolverine could jump off a 50ft building...
yes I agree with the last statement...but this does not hold true when it comes to batman now is it....order wise the thread starter's pitch for selling these two would not have been (these two always win their matches so who wins ) now would it...
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You know Creshok, you put me in a good mood, you're simply amazing. You constantly point out how horrible pro-spidey arguements are, but are pro-spidey yourself. I wish others had your insight because there's some horrible arguements currently going on in Spidey's favor.
Damb dude you must be very easily amazed. All of Creshrock's arguments have been stated by others for the past 200 pages in the thread. No disrespect, but where the hell have you been?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I would go back and refresh my memory, but I don't have the time to sift through. I recall a series of Batman-Darkseid scans meant to show that Batman takes these and is minimally injured, I don't recall any mentioning of context i.e. mother box associated with these scans. However if it was mentioned, then that point is null anyway as imo objectively the mother box is a modifier to the thread.
As for Superman, I would suggest you go back and sift through posts. The initial argument by the Batfan side was that Batman "rolls with Superman's punches" and that was why he survived Superman's blows, attention was drawn to the observation that Superman was enraged with the underlying implication that he wasn't holding back. The argument was slowly toned down due to the realisation it was indefensible. Eventually it was said that he was holding back but of course 🙄 was still hitting harder than Spider-Man can. Conjecture.
Well I have to admit when I first saw the batman taking punches from darksied and surviving I wanted to say that he had a mother box.....(but you cannot deny the fact that the mother box was later mentioned to be with batman)..but you know what I decided not to.....this is just like the one you used on bane beating batman neglecting all the small little intricacies that lead to batman's ultimate beat down at the hands of bane...
I am pretty sure it was said that batman rolls with class ten punches...besides batman can role with the punches of superman the only reason is that it wouldn't do him any good if the punch from superman was meant to kill him it would even if he rolled with the punch....
So basically you concede that the entire Batman argument is based on your faith in Batman as opposed to fact. This is no prep random fight. It's been said already intangibles and luck aren't enough.
I conceded to your question of (do you know everything in batman's belt...I think it went something like this and I quote
You have the insider info on what Batman packs every night, enlighten me. How does one know whether he's carrying a concealed object? Has Batman used the mother box when he hasn't been gallivanting around with Supes? When does he carry the mother box... when it's convenient..🙂but thanks to juntai we do now...
Originally posted by Juntai
According to THE BATMAN HANDBOOK: The Ultimate Training Manual.
Batman always carries a few different items on him, varried at random. But always considered relative to the job he needs to accomplish.
But some items are ALWAYS on him.
These include:Batarangs
Smoke Bombs
Concussive Bombs
Flash Bombs
Sonic Bombs
Regurgitant Bombs
Medkit, with epinephrine, injectors and various antibiotics, etc.
Cell phone
Flexi Cuffs
Grappling hooks and CO2 powered de-cel jumplines
Digital Camera
Rebreather
Stun Gun
Acetylene Torch
Batmobile wireless control
C4 Explosives
Fingerprints kit
Infrared Flashlight
Nightvision goggles
Laser
skeleton keys
marbles
A freeze pill
Paper and ink
Contact lenses
a giant baloon
And a belt radio/Geiger counter
And a metal disc which when dipped in a certain chemical would reveal his true identity.
Give me the context of the single incident in which he punched a tree down The argument being made by Batfans is that Batman needs no time to prepare and is superhuman in strength all the time.
Here. Take my survey.
1. Is Batman peak human in strength?
2. Is Batman peak human in speed?
3. Is Spiderman superhuman in strength?
4. Is Spiderman superhuman in speed?
5. Is peak human strength by its definition below all levels of superhuman strength?
6. Is peak human speed by its definition below all levels of superhuman speed?
7. Is Batman equal in strength to Spiderman?
8. Is Batman equal in speed to Spiderman?
9. Is the power of a punch proportional to the speed and strength behind it?
10. Are Batman's punches equal in power to Spiderman's?
Let me take your survey....questions 1,2,3,4,5,6...the answers are yes...7,8..the answers are no...9..the answer is well what you said holds true in the real world...but it is not exactly so in the comic realm...so my answer to number nine is whatever rocks your boat..Ask for 10...batman's punches should be able to equal the power of spiderman...but Juntai made a good argument in this regard. Or I could be wrong 🙂
Hah. Second in science and innovation? Unlikely. Lot's of things are said, is Batman second best in the DC world at making baked goods and second best at glassmaking. Irrelevant anyway as it wouldn't help him even if he was.
What ever rocks your boat....😆...whether it be baked goods....or whatever you might have in mind...
Oh dear. You should read things more carefully. I asked you to tell me if you think I'm exaggerating 10x, and how exactly you quantitatively gauge exaggeration. I do't thikn that I'm exaggerating in the way you described i.e. saying Batman beat Carnage without help. "Rolls with the punches" is jinzin's favourite phrase not mine.
I did and if you don't mind I am going to answer this post with the same thing I used to answer a similar post you presented......In short you are exaggerating 10x....in order words its too much....like your batman now roll with punches from superman and darkseid 😆
You agree with my last statement "looking at the fight objectively Spiderman wins". But this doesn't hold true for Batman. wtf is that supposed to mean?
Anyway if you want to include modifiers such as the mother box then start a new thread.
Looking at just the stats most people would see spiderman winining but what the people would not no is that batman has spent his life taking down people who are way stronger than he could ever hope to be...
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Originally posted by Juntai
But for the sake of it, I'll try this one more time;
Faster and stronger has never really been a downfall for Batman, and while not as openly powerful [lifting cars etc.] as Spidey, his blows are no less equal in power. For example in Bruce Wayne Murder, Batman when fighting Nightwing [who couldnt even land a blow on Batman I might add] Batman kicked at Nightwing and instead hit one of the tempered steel beams in the bat-cave and indented it. And that's in his own title as compared to "Batmyth" [Which is still a completely viable piece of what The Batman character is in my opinion.] If we use that Batman its all over for Spidey. Also, he knows death moves from nearly any angle. In one comic Batman dropped into a place and a guy held a gun to the BACK of his head while he was on the ground kneeling and he had a thought bubble pop up "I know {Blah} different moves from this angle, {Blah} killing strokes, {Blah} throws with minimal contact, etc" In the end, I say The Batman's intelligence and counter-measures coupled with his ability to rapidly decipher any enemies strengths and weaknesses instantaniously [greatest detective] will do Spidey in, as I believe his combat prowess knowledge, martial arts and awareness put him at least on Spidey's level in a front-on battle.
Thank you for telling me why you think Bats would win.Personally I feel that Spider-man would win. You mentioned about Bats not having problems with more powerful opponents. However during these instances Batman had prep time. There are also many inconsistencies with this. Bats has beaten strong opponents eg. Superman but has lost to a small group of Ninjas.Lastly you mentioned his pressure point techniques and referred to his fighting skills. I believe Spider-man can dodge all this due to superhuman abilities and his spider-sense. True spider-man has been hit by slower things before but that is to keep a story entertaining. I have a Batman issue where Bats gets shot twice once in the leg then in the arm. All characters suffer from inconsistencies therefore a more accurate way of comparing characters is through statistics. Through their respective statistics i can conclude that Spider-man is most likely to win.
Yeah Merc, Jinzin, and Cresh do like to do the nutswinging thing a lot. I Wonder what kind of stuff they talk about in PM land..must be a lot of raunchy stuff. I mean was it just me, or did Merc just mention that Cresh put him in the "mood" in that previous post..I'm not hating or anything, and a person's choice to live any lifestyle they want to live is okay by me..but damb keep the lovey-dovey talk in the pm land boys.